Re: New tests submitted by Microsoft for WebApps specs

2011-09-20 Thread Anne van Kesteren
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:26:30 +0200, Adrian Bateman adria...@microsoft.com wrote: WebWorkers (51 tests/assertions) Changeset: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps/rev/7b0ba70f69b6 Tests: http://w3c-test.org/webapps/Workers/tests/submissions/Microsoft/ Worker_dispatchEvent_ErrorEvent.htm tests the

Discovery API proposals: call for comments

2011-09-20 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi all, there have been two primary proposals for a Discovery API that would enable web pages to (shockingly enough) discover services (on the device, the local network, or possibly remote) through common mechanisms such as DNS-SD or UPnP. One of them comes from Opera:

Re: [widgets] Proposal to publish Widget Requirements and Widget Landscape docs as Working Group Notes; deadline Sep 23

2011-09-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: PLH says that ideally every spec ends as a WG Note or a Recommendation but in practice groups need to consider other factors. In the case of the Landscape doc, which was by definition (or at least by title) transient, so

[Bug 14220] In reply to comment #0) Every browser that I know of can have two web pages open at once. Those 2 web pages both have a DOM, they don't share a DOM. Some browsers implement this

2011-09-20 Thread bugzilla
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14220 Simon Pieters sim...@opera.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Rich Tibbett
Ian Hickson wrote: Why not just improve both navigator.registerContentHandler and navigator.registerProtocolHandler? http://groups.google.com/group/web-intents/browse_thread/thread/3dff7c2cdf5815b8 I tend to agree with rolling this in to RCH and RPH and seeing if we could refine the

Re: RfC: Is Web Sockets API ready for LC publication? [Was: Re: [websockets] Getting WebSockets API to Last Call]

2011-09-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Yesterday, Hixie checked in a fix for 13777. Bug 13104 (Enable keepalive on WebSocket API) was closed (WontFix) but reopened on September 18. Since various group members agree with not addressing this bug for v1, I will proceed with a CfC to publish a LC of the Web Socket API. (Perhaps this

Reminder: RfC: LCWD of Web Storage; deadline September 27

2011-09-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Reminder: September 27 is the deadline for comments for this LCWD. The open bug list is: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=Web%20Storage%20%28editor%3A%20Ian%20Hickson%29resolution=--- Original Message Subject:RfC: LCWD of Web

Fwd: RfC: LCWD of Web Workers; deadline September 27

2011-09-20 Thread Arthur Barstow
Reminder: September 27 is the deadline for comments for this LCWD. The open bug list is: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=WebAppsWGcomponent=Web%20Workers%20%28editor%3A%20Ian%20Hickson%29resolution=--- Original Message Subject:RfC: LCWD of Web

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread イアンフェッティ
With all due respect, I think that if we have to re-charter or create a new working group each time a new API comes up we are all doomed. The overhead of creating and monitoring so many WGs is not appealing to many of us. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: Hi

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Ian, On Sep 20, 2011, at 16:04 , Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: With all due respect, I think that if we have to re-charter or create a new working group each time a new API comes up we are all doomed. The overhead of creating and monitoring so many WGs is not appealing to many of us.

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread イアンフェッティ
I don't get it. The overhead of getting all the other browsers to join the WG you mention is just as high, especially when there's no indication that a number of browsers intend to join that group. I don't think it's a random process question, I think it's rather fundamental issue. If we agree

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Ian! On Sep 20, 2011, at 16:26 , Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I don't get it. The overhead of getting all the other browsers to join the WG you mention is just as high Can you please detail what overhead that involves? There are only two cases here: • You have IP concerns relevant to

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/20/2011 7:55 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: Hi Ian! On Sep 20, 2011, at 16:26 , Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I don't get it. The overhead of getting all the other browsers to join the WG you mention is just as high Can you please detail what overhead that involves? There are only two cases

Re: [widgets] Proposal to publish Widget Requirements and Widget Landscape docs as Working Group Notes; deadline Sep 23

2011-09-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Marcos Caceres wrote: On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: PLH says that ideally every spec ends as a WG Note or a Recommendation but in practice groups need to consider other factors. In the case of the Landscape

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Robin Berjon
Hi Charles, On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:15 , Charles Pritchard wrote: There is certainly some overlap between DAP and WebApps. Is that the issue here, Robin? If you ask me, there isn't any issue at all :) James suggested that WebApps take over Intents. Since it isn't in WebApps's deliverables,

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/20/2011 8:57 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: Hi Charles, On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:15 , Charles Pritchard wrote: There is certainly some overlap between DAP and WebApps. Is that the issue here, Robin? If you ask me, there isn't any issue at all :) James suggested that WebApps take over Intents.

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread イアンフェッティ
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: Hi Charles, On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:15 , Charles Pritchard wrote: There is certainly some overlap between DAP and WebApps. Is that the issue here, Robin? If you ask me, there isn't any issue at all :) James suggested

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com (mailto:ro...@berjon.com) wrote: Hi Charles, On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:15 , Charles Pritchard wrote: There is certainly some overlap between DAP and

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread イアンフェッティ
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com (mailto: ro...@berjon.com) wrote: Hi Charles, On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:15 ,

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: While issuing a ton of patent exclusions for something like this would be rather poor, I would frankly rather have that then a spec that doesn't get any attention from a party that's clearly relevant only to have patents

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread イアンフェッティ
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: While issuing a ton of patent exclusions for something like this would be rather poor, I would frankly rather have that then a spec that doesn't get

RE: New tests submitted by Microsoft for WebApps specs

2011-09-20 Thread Travis Leithead
Thanks! We'll see about getting these updated... From: David Levin [mailto:le...@google.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 6:33 PM To: Adrian Bateman Cc: Web Applications Working Group WG (public-webapps@w3.org); Israel Hilerio; Travis Leithead; Brian Raymor; Kris Krueger Subject: Re: New

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Paul Kinlan
Hi Ian, Here are some answers, I have worked closely with the team on getting this ready so if I miss anything out they will be able to fill in the blanks. Q: Why are the verbs URLs? Verbs don't have to be URL's but a URL will allow us a point of reference to documentation, versioning and

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread James Hawkins
Hi Robin, On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com wrote: Hi Ian! On Sep 20, 2011, at 16:26 , Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I don't get it. The overhead of getting all the other browsers to join the WG you mention is just as high Can you please detail what overhead

RE: publish a LCWD of Web Socket API; deadline September 27

2011-09-20 Thread Adrian Bateman
Microsoft supports this call. On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:05 AM, Arthur Barstow wrote: This is a Call for Consensus to publish a Last Call Working Draft of the Web Socket API using the following document as the basis: http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/ As noted in [1], this spec

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Robin Berjon
HI Ian, On Sep 20, 2011, at 19:38 , Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: Why do we need to recharter? I don't get the point of having a WG that has to recharter every single time that we develop a new API. I can't begin to tell you how sympathetic I am to this feeling, and the frustration that goes

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Ian Fette wrote: I don't get it. The overhead of getting all the other browsers to join the WG you mention is just as high, especially when there's no indication that a number of browsers intend to join that group. I don't think it's a random process question, I think it's rather fundamental

Re: [FileAPI] FileReader.abort() and File[Saver|Writer].abort have different behaviors

2011-09-20 Thread Eric U
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Arun Ranganathan a...@mozilla.com wrote: On 5/23/11 6:14 PM, Arun Ranganathan wrote: On 5/23/11 1:20 PM, Kyle Huey wrote: To close the loop a bit here, Firefox 6 will make the change to FileReader.abort()'s throwing behavior agreed upon here.

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Rich Tibbett wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Why not just improve both navigator.registerContentHandler and navigator.registerProtocolHandler? http://groups.google.com/group/web-intents/browse_thread/thread/3dff7c2cdf5815b8 I tend to agree with rolling this in to RCH and

Re: [FileAPI] FileReader.abort() and File[Saver|Writer].abort have different behaviors

2011-09-20 Thread Eric U
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Arun Ranganathan a...@mozilla.com wrote: On 5/23/11 6:14 PM, Arun Ranganathan wrote: On 5/23/11 1:20 PM, Kyle Huey wrote: To close the loop a bit here, Firefox 6 will make the change to

Notes from a component model pow-wow

2011-09-20 Thread Dominic Cooney
Context: Last week some Bay Area/visiting Bay Area browser hackers met to discuss the component model http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Component_Model This is my unedited transcript. I am not much of a stenographer so no doubt there are gaps. Cast of characters: boris--Boris Zbarsky dg--Dimitri

Re: [FileAPI] FileReader.abort() and File[Saver|Writer].abort have different behaviors

2011-09-20 Thread Eric U
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Arun Ranganathan a...@mozilla.com wrote: On 5/23/11 6:14 PM,

Re: [FileAPI] FileReader.abort() and File[Saver|Writer].abort have different behaviors

2011-09-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: I have a read running, and at some point I abort it--it could be in onprogress or elsewhere. In onabort I start another read. In onloadstart I abort again. Repeat as many times as you like, then let a read complete. I believe

Re: [FileAPI] FileReader.abort() and File[Saver|Writer].abort have different behaviors

2011-09-20 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: I have a read running, and at some point I abort it--it could be in onprogress or elsewhere.  In onabort I start another read.  In onloadstart I abort again.  

Re: [FileAPI] FileReader.abort() and File[Saver|Writer].abort have different behaviors

2011-09-20 Thread Eric U
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Eric U er...@google.com wrote: I have a read running, and at some point I abort it--it could be in onprogress or

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Paul Kinlan
Some comments inline - I hope they don't get lost. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Rich Tibbett wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: Why not just improve both navigator.registerContentHandler and navigator.registerProtocolHandler?

Re: Notes from a component model pow-wow

2011-09-20 Thread Boris Zbarsky
A comment on use cases that was brought up over here. There's a use case that is not addressed by XBL1 and impossible to quite address in a JS library that goes as follows. Say you have some data in a table. Semantically it's a data table. But you may want to present it as a graphic (SVG

Re: Notes from a component model pow-wow

2011-09-20 Thread Erik Arvidsson
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 19:47, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: A comment on use cases that was brought up over here. There's a use case that is not addressed by XBL1 and impossible to quite address in a JS library that goes as follows.  Say you have some data in a table.  Semantically

Re: Notes from a component model pow-wow

2011-09-20 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 9/20/11 11:15 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: I think this is properly a CSS issue. You want an element to not exist in the box tree, but to still have its children in the tree, which should be controllable with a display value, perhaps called 'transparent'. I believe that would be an acceptable