Event handlers - Pointer Devices

2010-03-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
This is a re-post from the WHATWG mailing list. They've suggested I take the discussion to this list, as pointer events have not yet been formalized. I'd like to know if there's room or any work has been done to set aside a standard for an extended set of pointer-device events. With

Re: Event handlers - Pointer Devices

2010-03-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On the main (or more useful) point perhaps, I think the distinction between a device's internal features, its peripherals as attached features, and more abstracted (even remote) resources is still very blurry between Webapps and DAP. ... Bryan Sullivan | ATT Perhaps the System Information

Advanced Pointer Events: Use Cases

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Pritchard
Here are a few use cases. Touch-based event. Case 1: A user has a multi-touch pad, and, by using two fingers they may signal the same event that would have otherwise required the pressing of a button. This may reduce strain, especially smaller devices such as laptops and mobile phones,

Re: Event handlers - Pointer Devices

2010-03-11 Thread Charles Pritchard
(ATTCINW) Cc: Charles Pritchard; public-webapps@w3.org Subject: Re: Event handlers - Pointer Devices Hi, Bryan- SULLIVAN, BRYAN L (ATTCINW) wrote (on 3/4/10 9:15 AM): This might be better discussed by the DAP group, as it's clearly a device API topic. By that definition, a mouse would

continue as a reserved word and a conflict with IndexedDB

2010-12-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
I just noticed that the cursor continue method in IndexedDB runs afoul of the Safari js parser, with continue being a reserved word. Was there any discussion on this issue? Should there be? Should I not worry about it, and use cursor['continue'] instead of cursor.continue() ? -Charles

Re: continue as a reserved word and a conflict with IndexedDB

2010-12-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
the conclusion we had with delete. My guess is that the JavaScriptCore (WebKit's main JavaScript engine) parser needs to be changed. If so, you should probably file a bug at webkit.org http://webkit.org/. J On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com mailto:ch...@jumis.com

Re: Seeking status of Server-sent Events, Web Storage and Web Workers

2010-12-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 12/6/2010 1:08 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, Arthur Barstow wrote: Since Hixie is active on HTML, perhaps someone else is willing to pick one of these LCs and to review the issues, bugs, diffs, etc. and propose the next step . Any volunteers? I am responding to feedback on

Re: FileAPI use case: making an image downloading app

2010-12-18 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 12/17/2010 5:03 PM, Gregg Tavares (wrk) wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com mailto:ch...@jumis.com wrote: We're actively developing such functionality. The limit per directory is for the sake of the os file system. If you want to create

Re: Hash functions

2010-12-22 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 12/21/2010 11:58 AM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Boris Zbarskybzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 12/20/10 7:42 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: Has a hash functions API been considered, so browsers can expose, for example, a native SHA-1 implementation? Doing this in JS is

Re: [chromium-html5] LocalStorage inside Worker

2011-01-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 1/6/11 2:57 PM, Keean Schupke wrote: There is always Software Transactional Memory that provides a safe model for memory shared between threads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_transactional_memory On 6 January 2011 22:44, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: On Thu, Jan 6,

Re: [chromium-html5] LocalStorage inside Worker

2011-01-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 1/6/2011 3:20 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: Shouldn't sessionStorage be made accessible? I don't think localStorage should be (to web workers), but sessionStorage seems a reasonable request. Why wouldn't that have the same

Re: An HTML5 logo

2011-01-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
Ian has, for quite some tine, described his whatwg document as HTML Next, a 'living' standard. This is separate from the w3c procedures, where HTML5 will be codified. As for web apps: I think it's too early to include them. I'd like to see more standardization on elevating permissions.

Re: [chromium-html5] LocalStorage inside Worker

2011-01-27 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Jeremy Orlow jor...@chromium.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:39 AM, Felix Halim felix.ha...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/7 Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 1/6/11 5:25 PM, João Eiras

Re: [chromium-html5] LocalStorage inside Worker

2011-01-27 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:47 PM, João Eiras joao-c-ei...@telecom.pt wrote: On Thursday 27 January 2011 20:39:50 you wrote: On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@visc.usmailto:ch...@visc.us wrote: FWIW: websql is mostly abandoned, though super handy on ios mobile devices

Re: [XHR2] ArrayBuffer support added

2011-01-31 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 1/31/2011 1:17 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: I somehow missed that a request to add back ArrayBuffer support was offlist. Since quite a few specifications are using it now and TC 39 has shown no progress on developing an alternative I was convinced to add it back in. The responseType value

Re: [FileAPI: Directories and System] Some comments

2011-01-31 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 1/31/2011 9:20 AM, Eric Uhrhane wrote: Thanks for the feedback, Peter--comments inline below. On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Peta Byte256petab...@googlemail.com wrote: ## toURI-method of Entry Interface I'd recommend to spec out a common URI scheme for resources within a local

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
I rather like the prompt in the new FF builds; it's similar to the prompt on Mobile Safari; when you get into the site, it asks you if you're ok storing data, and it allows you to specify a quota stepping. FF does a great job on applicationCache + quota in that area. The FileSystem API is a

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/3/2011 9:39 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I'm not sure FileSystem is necessarily any trickier from a user's perspective -- it's all storage that is taking up space on my HD (at least, for now the filesystem is just a directory under the user's profile in Chrome). I think it fits fine in

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/3/2011 10:36 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@visc.us mailto:ch...@visc.us wrote: On 2/3/2011 9:39 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I'm not sure FileSystem is necessarily any trickier from a user's perspective

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/4/2011 1:30 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@visc.us wrote: The FileSystem API is a tricky thing. indexedDB is more straightforward. I'd be fine with exempting localStorage from API and just lock it at 5MB. It's tricky anyway since it's a

Re: Quota API to query/request quota for offline storages (e.g. IndexedDB, FileSystem)

2011-02-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/4/2011 2:29 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: 2011/2/4 Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) ife...@google.com mailto:ife...@google.com For instance, if a user has been using a site for months, uses it frequently, and the site hits its 5GB limit but there's still 300GB free on the drive, perhaps we just give the

Re: Mouse Capture for Canvas

2011-02-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/8/2011 8:03 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com mailto:ch...@jumis.com wrote: - It's a major break from the normal event model. Merely defining an event shouldn't cause side-effects. This proposal seems to say

Re: [whatwg] Intent of the FileSystem API

2011-02-28 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 2/28/2011 3:50 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Charles Pritchard wrote: I'd like some clarification on the intent of the FileSystem API: requestFileSystem permanent, getDirectory and getFile. Are they intended to directly pass through to the host operating system

Re: [XHR2] ArrayBuffer support added

2011-03-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
Following up on this older thread, Mozilla has added ArrayBuffer to their XHR object, though the documentation is a little bare. xhr.mozResponseArrayBuffer On 2/4/2011 2:01 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:56:13 +0100, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote

Re: Using ArrayBuffer as payload for binary data to/from Web Workers

2011-03-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 3/7/2011 5:04 PM, Chris Marrin wrote: On Mar 7, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Chris Marrincmar...@apple.com wrote: Now that ArrayBuffer has made its way into XHR, I think it would be reasonable to somehow use this new object type as a way to pass

Re: [IndexedDB] Compound and multiple keys

2011-03-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 3/8/2011 6:12 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Pablo Castro pablo.cas...@microsoft.com mailto:pablo.cas...@microsoft.com wrote: From: public-webapps-requ...@w3.org mailto:public-webapps-requ...@w3.org [mailto:public-webapps-requ...@w3.org

Re: Overview of W3C technologies for mobile Web applications

2011-03-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
InkML is a development relevant to mobile Web. Tablets and other input-rich devices are gaining in acceptance (and becoming easier to purchase). InkML is one of the few specs to put forward both a stream-based and archive-oriented format. We'll be using it to serialize input between

Re: File API and Directory API feedback

2011-03-16 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 3/16/2011 4:34 PM, Eric Uhrhane wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Eric Uhrhaneer...@google.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Ian Hicksoni...@hixie.ch wrote: A couple of points I noticed while briefly perusing the File API specs: * Blob.size has no conformance criteria (no

Re: Offline Web Applications status

2011-03-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
I second these comments: we have a web app over one meg in js scripts alone, and it is designed for full offline usage. AppCache has been very quirky and often difficult to debug. It adds a few steps in the distro process and can get-in-the-way of debugging changes on a rapidly developing app.

Re: How to standardize new Offline Web app features? [Was Re: Offline Web Applications status]

2011-04-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 4/3/2011 11:20 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2011, Arthur Barstow wrote: Perhaps subscribers to both lists (Mike Smith, Maciej, Hixie) could provide some guidance on which list to use for Offline Web applications (again, I'm OK with public-webapps) and which Bugzilla product/component

Re: [WebSQL] Any future plans, or has IndexedDB replaced WebSQL?

2011-04-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 4/4/2011 10:15 AM, Ryan Fugger wrote: That's not the only reason. Mozilla laid out others ten months ago: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/06/beyond-html5-database-apis-and-the-road-to-indexeddb/ Mozilla's plan appears to be to implement IndexedDB on top of SQLite, and then encourage

Re: [WebSQL] Any future plans, or has IndexedDB replaced WebSQL?

2011-04-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
In fairness, and perspective, GLSL is a big leap, adding one more language with neat features like swizzle and matrix math. SQL is too big a leap for the time being. I'd like to see a continued effort at 'borrowing' from our new web family member, glsl. Typed arrays are wonderful. There's been

Re: [FileAPI] FileWriter and read-only files

2011-04-11 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 4/11/2011 2:32 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2011, Glenn Maynard wrote: createWriter method to the objects in the HTMLInputElement.files array (a new subclass of File), to create a writer for the underlying file. That would violate the user expectation that files provided using a

Re: [FileAPI] File.slice spec bug

2011-04-12 Thread Charles Pritchard
We're using ArrayBuffer... It's been through a few changes of its own relating to slice. I think they just went the route of renaming the method. -Charles On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Dmitry Titov dim...@chromium.org wrote: Indeed, it appeared in FF 4 which was shipped end of March, so if

Re: [FileAPI] File.slice spec bug

2011-04-12 Thread Charles Pritchard
I strongly prefer a rename as done with subarray in the typed arrays spec. It's straightforward on feature detection, as it's just an if [exists] statement. On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: I just realized that string.slice also follows the pattern of

Re: [File API: FileSystem] Path restrictions and case-sensitivity

2011-05-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 5/8/2011 12:50 PM, timeless wrote: On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Glenn Maynardgl...@zewt.org wrote: If *this API's* concept of filenames is case-insensitive, then IMAGE.JPG and image.jpg represent the same file on English systems and two different files on Turkish systems, which is an

Re: [File API: FileSystem] Path restrictions and case-sensitivity

2011-05-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 5/8/2011 1:14 PM, timeless wrote: On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: The one take-away I have from that bug: it would have been nice to have a more descriptive error message. It took awhile to figure out that the path length was too long for the

Re: [XHR][XHR2] Same-origin policy protection

2011-06-15 Thread Charles Pritchard
There have been a few requests for an XHR which does not expose session data to the target. I believe IE9 has an interface for this; I know it's been requested on chromium bug list. On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Boris Zbarsky bzbar...@mit.edu wrote: On 6/15/11 6:43 AM, David Bruant wrote:

Re: [widget] technology/specification name

2011-06-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
One issue which comes up is that widget is also used in ARIA to describe ui elements. I suspect we'll see apps used ubiquitously; widget seems to e reserved to early experiments in linked apps; apps via iframe. Like many on this thread, I don't have a strong objection against the name. I

Re: Mouse Lock

2011-06-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
timeless, I agree, it'd be nice to know. I'd really like to see this put toward the AG (Accessibility Guidelines) people, as they're the ones who follow this kind of things. It's absolutely the case that a user needs an ability to escape from the mouse lock context, and to have one which

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-07-11 Thread Charles Pritchard
getFile could work with dataTransfer for dropping files onto the desktop. There may be other Apis which work with File but not with Blob, or not as well with Blob. Blob already requires linking/abstraction from createObjectUrl. Internally, getFile could simply run createObjectUrl and treat it

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-07-11 Thread Charles Pritchard
, modifying FormData append is a trivial change. What are the other APIs where this is a problem? Sent from my Windows Phone From: Charles Pritchard Sent: 11-Jul-11 12:03 PM To: Adrian Bateman Cc: Jonas Sicking; Anne van Kesteren; Julian Reschke; Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo; Webapps WG

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-07-18 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 7/18/2011 12:09 PM, Adrian Bateman wrote: On Monday, July 11, 2011 12:46 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: Problem is too strong a statement. I am all for trivial changes, part of my advocacy for getFile is from past experiences when blob was less supported; getFile would have helped. FileReader

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-07-18 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 7/18/2011 2:42 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: If there is an API that replies on File to work correctly we think we should fix it to work with Blob. For example, FileReader is really BlobReader and works fine with Blobs. To me, getFile() should be unnecessary and the best fix for FormData

Re: Element.create(): a proposal for more convenient element creation

2011-08-01 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: Creates an element with the specified tag, attributes, and children. tagName - tag name as a string; by default it does smart selection of SVG, HTML or MathML namespace.

Re: Element.create(): a proposal for more convenient element creation

2011-08-02 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, João Eiras wrote: While the idea is interesting, create is a too simple name to add on something as polluted as Element. Why? I think create() is fine. It's a pretty common name for a factory or

Re: Element.create(): a proposal for more convenient element creation

2011-08-02 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/2/2011 9:48 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Maciej Stachowiakm...@apple.com wrote: In an IRC discussion with Ian Hickson and Tab Atkins, we can up with the following idea for convenient element creation: Element.create(tagName, attributeMap, children…) Creates

Re: Element.create(): a proposal for more convenient element creation

2011-08-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/3/2011 8:51 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:46:50 +0200, Glenn Maynard gl...@zewt.org wrote: What's the difference? ele.setAttribute(x, val) works on any element. ele[x] = val does not. They also behave differently for a large number of cases and the latter often

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-08-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/5/2011 9:23 AM, Marcos Caceres wrote: It should be left to the editor's (or working group) discretion as to which spec they cite regardless of the reason. And one of the role of the W3C staff is to ensure proper coordination between the various Working Groups at the W3C. I'm

Re: Element.create(): a proposal for more convenient element creation

2011-08-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/6/2011 9:05 AM, Dominic Cooney wrote: Element.create looks neat. Three thoughts: ... Let me briefly reiterate that I think we want *both* Element.create and constructors; they have complementary uses. I agree. Second, re: setAttribute vs setting properties, there might be types other

Re: Element.create(): a proposal for more convenient element creation

2011-08-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/6/2011 3:54 PM, Garrett Smith wrote: On 8/6/11, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 8/6/2011 9:05 AM, Dominic Cooney wrote: Element.create looks neat. Three thoughts: ... Let me briefly reiterate that I think we want *both* Element.create and constructors; they have

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-08-07 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/5/2011 7:32 AM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011, Philippe Le Hegaret wrote: Again, what are the reasons to link to the WHATWG HTML version? What does it mean for the work of the HTML Working Group? There are features in the WHATWG version that got rejected in the HTML Working Group.

Re: [XHR] support for streaming data

2011-08-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/8/2011 5:13 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Hi All, XHR Level 2 does wonders for making XMLHttpRequest better. However there is one problem that we have run into with streaming data. ... Agreed. I proposed something similar in January, with fixed buffer lengths:

Re: [whatwg] File API Streaming Blobs

2011-08-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/8/2011 2:51 PM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Simon Heckmann si...@simonheckmann.de mailto:si...@simonheckmann.de wrote: Well, not directly an answer to your question, but the use case I had in mind is the following: A large encrypted video (e.g. HD

Re: [XHR] support for streaming data

2011-08-08 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/8/2011 5:59 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 8/8/2011 5:13 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: Hi All, XHR Level 2 does wonders for making XMLHttpRequest better. However there is one problem that we have run into with streaming

Re: [XHR] support for streaming data

2011-08-10 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/9/2011 1:00 AM, Cyril Concolato wrote: Hi Charles, I believe that GPAC seeks through large SVG files via offsets and small buffers, from what I understood at SVG F2F. http://gpac.wp.institut-telecom.fr/ The technique is similar to what PDF has in it's spec. I don't know what you're

Re: [XHR] support for streaming data

2011-08-10 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/10/2011 5:04 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: The point of streamed XHR is to receive data as soon as it's available so that you can process it right away. This also means that you're likely going to get the data in pretty small chunks. Hence the use cases for streaming are basically the direct

Re: [XHR] support for streaming data

2011-08-12 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/12/11 12:03 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 09 Aug 2011 02:13:20 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: XHR Level 2 does wonders for making XMLHttpRequest better. However there is one problem that we have run into with streaming data. Before we add yet another set of features,

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/23/2011 3:08 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:18:19 +0200, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Yes. Where if the filename is excluded is left out it uses the File.name of the Blob (if the Blob is also a File), or blob (if the Blob is not a File). That leaves the

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-24 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/24/2011 1:33 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:44:15 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Is there any interest in supporting application/x-www-form-urlencoded ? It would of course lose any carried content types or file names from Blobs. urlencoding

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-25 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/24/11 11:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: Prpoposed: FormData output with the x-www-form-urlencoded mime type: formData.toUrlEncodedBlob(xhr.send) If going down the blob path, these two would have the same

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-30 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/24/2011 11:56 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: On 8/24/11 11:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: Prpoposed: FormData output with the x-www-form-urlencoded mime type: formData.toUrlEncodedBlob(xhr.send) [Supplemental

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-30 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/30/11 5:52 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 8/24/2011 11:56 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: On 8/24/11 11:36 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-31 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/30/2011 11:03 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 21:49:19 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: Many services use form-urlencoded for form data, though not for files, and typically not for large strings. Google's Picasa uses multipart/related instead of multipart

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-31 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/30/2011 7:11 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 8/30/11 5:52 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 8/24/2011 11:56 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: On 8/24

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-31 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/31/2011 10:19 AM, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jonas Sicking jo...@sicking.cc wrote: Simple case: var callback = function(blob) { xhr.send(blob); }; formData.toBlob(callback, 'multipart/form-data'); Several services require signed messages

Re: [XHR2] Blobs, names and FormData

2011-08-31 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 8/31/2011 10:57 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Glenn Maynardgl...@zewt.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jonas Sickingjo...@sicking.cc wrote: Simple case: var callback = function(blob) { xhr.send(blob); }; formData.toBlob(callback,

Re: Custom tags over wire, was Re: HTMLElement.register--giving components tag names

2011-09-02 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/2/11 12:10 PM, Alex Russell wrote: Since Dimitri has already said everything I would, and better, I just want to very quickly second his point about where we are today vs. where we fear we might be: non-trivial apps have *already* given up on HTML. Suggesting that there's an un-semantic

Re: Custom tags over wire, was Re: HTMLElement.register--giving components tag names

2011-09-02 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/2/11 3:00 PM, Alex Russell wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/2/11 12:10 PM, Alex Russell wrote: Since Dimitri has already said everything I would, and better, I just want to very quickly second his point about where we are today

Re: Custom tags over wire, was Re: HTMLElement.register--giving components tag names

2011-09-03 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/2/2011 6:39 PM, Alex Russell wrote: Similarly, WCAG is a series of principles for designing usable, high quality applications. ARIA presents a set of semantic roles that don't exist in HTML, and for those, alignment with custom element implementations is outstanding. Components that

Re: [DOM3Events] CR

2011-09-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/4/11 8:47 AM, Doug Schepers wrote: Hi, Anne- On 9/4/11 9:41 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Some members of the group consider the D3E spec as the highest priority of our DOM-related specs and they have put

Re: [DOM3Events] CR

2011-09-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/4/11 10:06 AM, Doug Schepers wrote: On 9/4/11 12:49 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: Is there a wiki page or other resource for looking into implementation status on DOM3Events? It's a large spec, and I'd like to plan for it in our internal roadmap. We will be building a complete test suite

[DOMCore] Extension specifications

2011-09-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
Apologies, I've only recently caught up with tr/domcore. http://www.w3.org/TR/domcore/#exceptions When vendor-neutral extensions to this specification are needed, either this specification can be updated accordingly, or an extension specification can be written that overrides the requirements

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-04 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The CfC to publish a new WD of DOM Core was blocked by this RfC. I will proceed with a request to publish a new WD of DOM Core in TR/. The name DOM Core will be used for

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/5/11 8:14 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:08:25 +0200, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: I propose calling it Web Core. WC1 (Web Core version 1). It is a somewhat compelling idea, but I think we should keep DOM in the name given that everything it builds

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Sep 5, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-09-05 16:13, Marcos Caceres wrote: ... Most don't, in my experience. Specially those from other consortia. They love cling the dated specs and then pretend they are somehow more stable then the Editor's

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-05 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Adam Barth w...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchard ch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The CfC to publish

Re: riks of the new clipboard operations API

2011-09-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/5/11 10:49 PM, Paul Libbrecht wrote: Le 6 sept. 2011 à 00:51, Glenn Maynard a écrit : On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Paul Libbrecht p...@hoplahup.net mailto:p...@hoplahup.net wrote: Slowly, users start to see the disadvantages of a dirty web-page (e.g. flash advertisement

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/6/11 9:18 AM, David Flanagan wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 15:12:45 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: The CfC to publish a new WD of DOM Core was blocked by this RfC. I will proceed with a request to publish a new WD of DOM Core

Re: [DOM] Name

2011-09-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/5/11 2:38 PM, Adam Barth wrote: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On Sep 5, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Adam Barthw...@adambarth.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On 9/4/11 6:39 AM, Anne

[DOMCore] Web messaging references

2011-09-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
There are various specifications that include terminology warnings as part of their reference to DOMCore. Can we reduce the cost of including DOMCore references in basic APIs, by adding some kind of supporting text to the DOMCORE specification's extensibility section? Example:

Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/5/11 12:11 PM, Marcos Caceres wrote: Hi Julian, On Monday, 5 September 2011 at 20:54, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2011-09-05 16:13, Marcos Caceres wrote: ... Most don't, in my experience. Specially those from other consortia. They love cling the dated specs and then pretend they

Public repositories, was: Re: Reference to the HTML specification

2011-09-06 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/6/11 12:30 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: Lets get a public version repository on the official w3c website. They pulled off incorporating bugzilla, surely they can pull off incorporating git. It's quite easy.

Re: [DOM4] Remove Node.isSameNode

2011-09-09 Thread Charles Pritchard
On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Sean Hogan shogu...@westnet.com.au wrote: On 10/09/11 3:21 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: It's a completely useless function. It just implements the equality operator. I believe most languages have a equality operator already. Except Brainfuck [1]. But the DOM isn't

Re: [DOM4] Remove Node.isSameNode

2011-09-09 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/9/2011 6:02 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Charles Pritchardch...@jumis.com wrote: On Sep 9, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Sean Hoganshogu...@westnet.com.au wrote: On 10/09/11 3:21 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: It's a completely useless function. It just implements the

Re: RfC: LCWD of Touch Events version 1; deadline October 11

2011-09-13 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/13/2011 11:39 AM, Anne van Kesteren wrote: On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:32:03 +0200, Arthur Barstow art.bars...@nokia.com wrote: On September 13, the Web Events WG published a LCWD of the Touch Events version 1 spec: Individual WG members are encouraged to provide individual feedback directly

Re: [editing] Using public-webapps for editing discussion

2011-09-14 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/14/11 4:30 PM, Arthur Barstow wrote: Since some related functionality was included (at one point) in the HTML5 spec, it seems like we should ask the HTML WG for feedback on Aryeh's email. Aryeh told me there are some related bugs: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13423

Re: [editing] Using public-webapps for editing discussion

2011-09-15 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/15/2011 1:26 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Arthur Barstowart.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Since some related functionality was included (at one point) in the HTML5 spec, it seems like we should ask the HTML WG for feedback on Aryeh's email. Aryeh told me there are

Re: Widgets ApplicationCache

2011-09-16 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/16/11 8:00 AM, Dominique Hazael-Massieux wrote: Le vendredi 16 septembre 2011 à 21:36 +0700, Marcos Caceres a écrit : I think they are actually not so different, and share many use cases. Ok, I strongly object in the strongest of terms to them being put together and I'm more than happy

Re: [editing] Using public-webapps for editing discussion

2011-09-16 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/15/2011 1:26 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Apple, Google and Microsoft representatives have vetoed rich text editing as a supported use case for public-canvas-api, the Google/WHATWG editing specification is now the -only- supported solution for developers to author editing environments.

Re: [editing] Using public-webapps for editing discussion

2011-09-16 Thread Charles Pritchard
, Company X is evil!!!, because nobody listens to that guy. ^_^ Thanks- -Doug Schepers W3C Developer Outreach Project Coordinator, SVG, WebApps, Touch Events, and Audio WGs On 9/16/11 1:44 PM, Charles Pritchard wrote: On 9/15/2011 1:26 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: Apple, Google and Microsoft

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-19 Thread Charles Pritchard
Should Paul Kinlan be Cc'd on this? His concept work is helpful. On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ian Hickson i...@hixie.ch wrote: Why not just improve both navigator.registerContentHandler and navigator.registerProtocolHandler? In particular, why are intents registered via a new HTML

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/20/2011 7:55 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: Hi Ian! On Sep 20, 2011, at 16:26 , Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: I don't get it. The overhead of getting all the other browsers to join the WG you mention is just as high Can you please detail what overhead that involves? There are only two cases

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-20 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/20/2011 8:57 AM, Robin Berjon wrote: Hi Charles, On Sep 20, 2011, at 17:15 , Charles Pritchard wrote: There is certainly some overlap between DAP and WebApps. Is that the issue here, Robin? If you ask me, there isn't any issue at all :) James suggested that WebApps take over Intents

Deconstructing Intents was, Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-22 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/20/2011 10:27 AM, Marcos Caceres wrote: On Tuesday, September 20, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ) wrote: While issuing a ton of patent exclusions for something like this would be rather poor, I would frankly rather have that then a spec that doesn't get any attention from a party

Web Components use cases, was Re: Notes from a component model pow-wow

2011-09-22 Thread Charles Pritchard
I've snipped the transcript to parts relevant to my top-posted discussion. We already have web components; there are two shimmering examples on the net right now. 1. First, there's Canvas. Canvas has a subtree, and at some point earlier on, it was referred to as the Canvas shadow dom. In

Re: [editing] Using public-webapps for editing discussion

2011-09-22 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/22/2011 9:43 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Arthur Barstowart.bars...@nokia.com wrote: Is there consensus within the CG to not move the spec to the REC track? The spec is in the public domain and anyone can theoretically submit it to the REC track, so consensus

Re: Adding Web Intents to the Webapps WG deliverables

2011-09-22 Thread Charles Pritchard
On 9/22/2011 2:36 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Paul Kinlan wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Paul Kinlan wrote: Q: Why are the verbs URLs? Verbs don't have to be URL's but a URL will allow us a point of reference to documentation, versioning and namespacing allowing verbs with

Re: [widgets] Killing file:// of evil (widget URI ready for pub)

2011-09-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
I've some strong reservations about expanding the scheme into dns-land. On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Mark Baker dist...@acm.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Marcos Caceres w...@marcosc.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Marcos Caceres marcosscace...@gmail.com

Re: [editing] Using public-webapps for editing discussion

2011-09-23 Thread Charles Pritchard
We're commenting on Aryeh's spec, he's the author, the copyright holder, and our comments to do not entitle us to any form of attribution. Expanded: For the sake of Aryeh's copyright on the working document, I'd like to remind everyone again, that their comments on the document will be

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