[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-03 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:33:47PM +0100, Brice Figureau wrote: On 2/12/08 22:34, Luke Kanies wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Lorenz Schori wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:45:02 -0600 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Paul Lathrop wrote: It's

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-03 Thread Lorenz Schori
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:29:24 -0600 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Paul Lathrop wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see now what you mean about above/below being reasonable terms; you have to add the bottom

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-03 Thread Luke Kanies
On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Lorenz Schori wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:29:24 -0600 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Paul Lathrop wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see now what you mean about above/below being

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-03 Thread Paul Lathrop
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can start with 'contains' and 'containedby', unless someone else has a better term than 'containedby'. I stand firmly by my suggestion of 'container' instead of 'containedby' --Paul

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-02 Thread Brice Figureau
On 2/12/08 22:34, Luke Kanies wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Lorenz Schori wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:45:02 -0600 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Paul Lathrop wrote: It's almost like a container relationship -- the container must be created before

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-01 Thread Paul Lathrop
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 12, 2008, at 3:10 AM, Lorenz Schori wrote: Hi Luke, On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:16:03 -0600 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I did some more research in redmine and found #428 (Deletion should invert sort

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-12-01 Thread Luke Kanies
On Dec 1, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Paul Lathrop wrote: It's almost like a container relationship -- the container must be created before its contained resources, and the contained resources must be deleted before their container. Maybe 'contains' and 'containedby'? I vote for 'contains' and

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-11-23 Thread Sven Mueller
Just as a suggestion regarding the terminology: use before and after (for now an alias to require) if you simply want the old behaviour (run before or after another resource, wether it is deleted or added). use need (above in Lorenzs terminology) and isneeded (below) if you want the new

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-11-09 Thread Luke Kanies
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Lorenz Schori wrote: Hi Luke On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:11:54 -0600 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: files and play with them on a vanilla puppet installation. See the first one on how to install and use the plugin:

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-11-04 Thread Lorenz Schori
Hi Florian On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:04:01 -0800 (PST) jerico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lorenz, I've commented on that before but i might revise my statement. I use classes almost exclusively for grouping together defines and therefore i'm not very concerned about class-level

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-11-04 Thread Luke Kanies
On Oct 25, 2008, at 6:16 AM, Lorenz Schori wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:48:17 -0500 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, first i want to say that i'm very happy with puppet and the way it works. The require-thing is just one little annoyance which really bugged me long enough that i

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-11-04 Thread Luke Kanies
On Oct 30, 2008, at 5:22 AM, Lorenz Schori wrote: Hell Again, Well, after reading a big part of the puppet source, the rspec tests and the wiki i'm still convinced that the puppet dependency handling can be enhanced by implementing my original proposal. I now found a way to provide

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-10-25 Thread Lorenz Schori
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:48:17 -0500 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, first i want to say that i'm very happy with puppet and the way it works. The require-thing is just one little annoyance which really bugged me long enough that i decided to look at it closer. So if i criticize some

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-10-25 Thread Brice Figureau
On 25/10/08 13:16, Lorenz Schori wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:48:17 -0500 Luke Kanies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snipped discussion] Please do not attach your patches in your mails but instead use git-send-email so that they appear in the mail body. This way we can review and comment

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-10-25 Thread Lorenz Schori
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:45:34 +0200 Brice Figureau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Please do not attach your patches in your mails but instead use git-send-email so that they appear in the mail body. This way we can review and comment easily. For more information about puppet patch

[Puppet-dev] Re: problems with dependency handling in puppet and a proposal to get rid of them

2008-10-24 Thread Luke Kanies
On Oct 23, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Lorenz Schori wrote: Anyway, to cut a long story short i propose to add two new meta parameters called above and below, where the direction is given by the state change of a resource. Lets assume that we construct a system from bottom to top (bottom = bare os,