Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 project management

2008-03-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python 3.0 and 2.6 are coming along really nice. I am optimistic that > we can make the projected August date for the final releases of 2.6 > and 3.0. As you may remember, Barry (the new release manager for both) > sugg

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 tasks

2008-03-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moving this to a new subject to keep the discussion of tasks and the > discussion of task tracking tools separate. > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Christian Heimes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I did a quick b

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 project management

2008-03-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't like the idea of task like items in the main bug tracker. > > Why not? Bugs are als

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 tasks

2008-03-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6 and 3.0 tasks

2008-03-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Guido] > > > That's a rather long thread. Was any conclusion reached? I'm not sure > >

Re: [Python-3000] 2.6 and 3.0 tasks

2008-03-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Benjamin Peterson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Benjamin Peterson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

[Python-3000] New to Python-dev (was Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6 and 3.0 project management)

2008-03-17 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi py3k, > > First of all, excuse me for taking your time. I am new to the list > so, not familiar with the processes specific to the list, if any. > > > I am new to the list (joined a week back) bu

[Python-3000] I/O stuff

2008-03-17 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Hi, What's the current status of I/O in Py3k? Are plans there to implement some if not all of io.py in C. (If not, I can work on this.) Also, is I/O going to be backported to 2.6? Thanks, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python

Re: [Python-3000] from .foo import *

2008-03-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > > > > When I do a relative star import, I current get > > > > SyntaxError: 'import *' not allowed with 'from .' > > > > What's the reason for this restriction? > > It was the first

Re: [Python-3000] from .foo import *

2008-03-18 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-21 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm happy to announce that we now have available for public > consumption, the Python source code for 2.5, 2.6 and 3.0 available > under the Bazaar distributed version con

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-21 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Paul Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21/03/2008, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just to head this off, this is not a specific vote of confidence for > > Bazaar. The Bazaar developers were at PyCon and both Barry and Thomas > > were willing to p

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-21 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Paul Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21/03/2008, Benjamin Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tend to make a repository and make a working copy for each patch in > it. > > The history is saved in the repository so it

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-21 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Paul Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: [Python-3000] Reserve "pragma" keyword in Python 3.0?

2008-03-21 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Larry Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think Python needs a dedicated "pragma" syntax; we already have two > pragma syntaxes ("from __future__ import" and "# coding"), and I think a > syntax designed for expressing pragmas would be much clearer than usin

Re: [Python-3000] Enough with the u"string" already!

2008-03-24 Thread Benjamin Peterson
#x27;s the problem? > > > Christian > > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-30

Re: [Python-3000] lambda

2008-03-25 Thread Benjamin Peterson
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Re: [Python-3000] the release gods are angry at python

2008-03-26 Thread Benjamin Peterson
that pile. Should those hold up betas? (when we get there) > > > Right now, I don't know of any reason to hold up the release other > than the failing tests. > > n > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
= > =Gcjq > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Python-Dev mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/musi

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Python source code on Bazaar vcs

2008-03-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mar 29, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > > > Once you've pushed the branches, is there a way to remove them? > > D

[Python-3000] IO __all__

2008-04-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Is there a reason io.open is in the __all__? It seems to me it would redundant and confusing to import a builtin. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000

Re: [Python-3000] Spooky behavior of dict.items() and friends

2008-04-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
f the dictionary. When you want it static, it's better to be explicit and say list(dict.keysor dict.values). > > > Paul. > _______ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth

Re: [Python-3000] IO __all__

2008-04-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
hat I hope people > won't import * from it. Ok. It just seems to me to be an accident waiting to happen which we could easily avoid. > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a reason io.open is in the __all_

Re: [Python-3000] Types and classes

2008-04-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
, and set aren't metaclasses, so it would make sense to make that name change. > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [Python-3000] Spooky behavior of dict.items() and friends

2008-04-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/musiccomposition%40gmail.com > -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-3000] Types and classes

2008-04-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
.) Especially because of that I think we should change. list, dict, and set aren't metaclasses, so it would make since to fix it. > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: > http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/> > ) > _

Re: [Python-3000] Types and classes

2008-04-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
ccess an object's class, and > as a metaclass (in fact it is the root metaclass). Ah. You were referring to allowing types to have __dict__ attributes, right? I misread and thought you wanted to rename. > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Python-3000] A new member for contextlib?

2008-04-04 Thread Benjamin Peterson
) > > This code is also in attachment. > > Is it suitable for contextlib.py? I don't really see how this is better/easier than: class AAA: def get_x(): pass def set_x(): pass x = property(get_x, set_x, None, "The x property") > > > > ___

Re: [Python-3000] A new member for contextlib?

2008-04-04 Thread Benjamin Peterson
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Re: [Python-3000] raw strings and \u

2008-04-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
#x27;t allow Unicode escapes in raw mode. 2. Introduce a new mode which has unicode escapes and raw mode. 3. Deal with it. I don't like any of them... > > > -- > Amaury Forgeot d'Arc > ___ > Python-3000 mailing lis

Re: [Python-3000] raw strings and \u

2008-04-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
) > behavior in 3.0a4. > > THIS MUST BE FIXED! Done in r62165. > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: > http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/> > ) > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list &

Re: [Python-3000] raw strings and \u

2008-04-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks -- that was quick! Well, I was the guilty party... > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > &

Re: [Python-3000] raw strings and \u

2008-04-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
7;t happen again. > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Thanks -- that was quick! > > Well, I w

Re: [Python-3000] raw strings and \u

2008-04-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Neal Norwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > :-) > >

[Python-3000] readinto annotation

2008-04-06 Thread Benjamin Peterson
While working on the io module docs, I noticed the annotation for readinto methods is bytes. This should be bytearray, right? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo

[Python-3000] PEP: Cleaning out sys and the "interpreter" module

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Peterson
ys and the "interpreter" module Version: $Revision$ Last-Modified: $Date$ Author: Benjamin Peterson Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Created: 4-April-2008 Python-Version: 3.0 Abstract This PEP proposes a new low-level module for CPython-specific interpreter f

Re: [Python-3000] PEP: Cleaning out sys and the "interpreter" module

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Peterson
be reasonably placed, of course.) > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: > http://www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/> > ) > -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.

Re: [Python-3000] readinto annotation

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Peterson
//www.python.org/~guido/<http://www.python.org/%7Eguido/> > ) > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/opti

Re: [Python-3000] PEP: Cleaning out sys and the "interpreter" module

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -0.5 f

Re: [Python-3000] Equality of range objects

2008-04-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Is there a reason this is not implemented, though? It's seems to me they should be equivalent. [snip] -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubs

Re: [Python-3000] PEP: Cleaning out sys and the "interpreter" module

2008-04-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -0.5 from

Re: [Python-3000] PEP: Cleaning out sys and the "interpreter" module

2008-04-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Another thought: Even if other > > implementations provide these > > functions, it doesn't really m

Re: [Python-3000] Equality of range objects

2008-04-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there a reason this is not implemented, though? It's seems to me > > they should be eq

Re: [Python-3000] Equality of range objects

2008-04-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Benjamin Peterson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue,

[Python-3000] properties on IOBase

2008-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Should IOBase's writeable, readable, and seekable methods have decorators like the closed method? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-3000] Implementing % formatting in terms of str.format()

2008-04-09 Thread Benjamin Peterson
written for it. > > Skip > > > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/musiccom

Re: [Python-3000] properties on IOBase

2008-04-10 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Should IOBase's writeable, readable, and seekable methods have > > decorators like the closed m

Re: [Python-3000] Implementing % formatting in terms of str.format()

2008-04-12 Thread Benjamin Peterson
gt; to only warn in an "extended Py3k warning mode" activated with -33. A Py3k warning is already a extended DeprecationWarning! Why don't we just give it a DeprecationWarning in 3.0? > > Georg -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson __

Re: [Python-3000] Equality of range objects

2008-04-12 Thread Benjamin Peterson
If you're interested, I've implemented equality for range in issue 2603. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.o

Re: [Python-3000] Implementing % formatting in terms of str.format()

2008-04-14 Thread Benjamin Peterson
aps making it a > PendingDeprecationWarning whan -3 is given. I'm working on a patch for this. However, the exception system must call PyString_Format, because a warning can cause infinite recursion. What do you recommend? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ P

[Python-3000] gettext

2008-04-23 Thread Benjamin Peterson
them in 3.0, but perhaps rename then to their non-"u" variants and deprecate? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.pyt

Re: [Python-3000] what do I use in place of reduce?

2008-04-23 Thread Benjamin Peterson
ture, please ask comp.lang.python or some similar group. This mailing list is for the core development of Python 3.x. Thanks! -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listin

[Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-25 Thread Benjamin Peterson
bugs.python.org/msg65807 -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-26 Thread Benjamin Peterson
> > >From an external point of view, and knowing that ints are unbound, why > should I have an error here? lens are forced to be <= Py_ssize_t because that's the limit put on sequence sizes. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3

Re: [Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-26 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/4/26, Benjamin Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > lens are forced to be <= Py_ssize_t because that's the limit put on > > sequence sizes. > > But this should b

Re: [Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-26 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Set" is definitely misleading -- it has no ordering. True. I was trying to convey the unrepeated part of the set definition. Is "an ordered set of integers" better?

[Python-3000] Removal of os.path.walk

2008-04-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
It seems that os.walk has more options and a cleaner interface to walking trees than os.path.walk does. Is there support for the removal this in Py3k? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 - stdlib reorg/cleanup

2008-04-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
all``); watch out for >tests that are skipped because an import failed for the removed >module. Why don't why apply the patch at issue 2409, so catching imports is easier? +1 Overall, I'm very impressed. It's hard to find a PEP (especially this big) that doesn't cause

Re: [Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
e! Where are the use cases for range slicing, anyway? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 - stdlib reorg/cleanup

2008-04-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
missing the test fails. It looks like the patch already changes tests, which have optional imports. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: h

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 - stdlib reorg/cleanup

2008-04-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
of them before they were removed. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-30 Thread Benjamin Peterson
verflow exception, and then use sys.maxsize? > But I didn't find a rationale. I'm sure it was PBP though. What's PBP? (A search only turns up a bicycle race. :)) -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Pytho

Re: [Python-3000] range() issues

2008-04-30 Thread Benjamin Peterson
from the zen of Python It's practical to have a builtin function silently "lie" about the length of a sequence? I don't see how that makes anybody's life much easier. > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > -- Cheers,

Re: [Python-3000] gettext

2008-05-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Torsten, I agree. Let's just rename ugettext() to gettext() and have it > return unicodes. That's the cleanest API we can do for Python. I have a patch for something like this at issue 2512.

Re: [Python-3000] Reminder: last alphas next Wednesday 07-May-2008

2008-05-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
; > Anyone have an issue with me doing this? Is PendingDeprecationWarning > safe enough for 2.6? Or should this be a 3.0-only thing with a > DeprecationWarning? I vote for a full DeprecationWarning. > > -Brett -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson _

Re: [Python-3000] Invitation to try out open source code review tool

2008-05-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
page is really a wiki, so feel free to improve it! My request at the moment is to let people use their real names for display; my email address does not at all resemble my name. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.o

Re: [Python-3000] Special offer! Ten code reviews

2008-05-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just tried to submit a patch using the Web form, and got a 500 Server > Error... It's been fixed. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing

Re: [Python-3000] Invitation to try out open source code review tool

2008-05-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
story there. :-) Maybe I tell you why next PyCon... One more question: What's the number on the upper right hand corner by my username? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/m

Re: [Python-3000] PEP 3108 - stdlib reorg/cleanup

2008-05-05 Thread Benjamin Peterson
of what state everything is in! > Hopefully I will start work on this tonight or tomorrow. What can I/we do to help? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-

Re: [Python-3000] Removal of os.path.walk

2008-05-07 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Can I go ahead and remove this then? > > > It seems that os.walk has more options and a cleaner interface to > > walking trees than os.path.walk does. Is there support for the removal > > this in Py3k? > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Benja

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r62848 - python/trunk/Objects/setobject.c

2008-05-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
find a way to more forcefully enforce > commit freezes for the betas though. I wonder if you couldn't alter the server side commit hook to reject everything with the message "Sorry, we're in a freeze." (You'd have to make an exception for yourself.) --

Re: [Python-3000] Proposal to add __str__ method to iterables.

2008-05-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
t;, which actually does have a use case as > the replacement for "".join(["1", "2"]). However, it's not expected. > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.or

Re: [Python-3000] suggestion: structured assignment

2008-05-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Hi Daniel, At the moment, we are preparing to ship betas, so this kind of proposal is a little late for 2.6/3.0. Also, I would recommend to try this on the python-ideas mailing list first. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Finishing up PEP 3108

2008-05-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Issue 2854 - gestalt needs to be added back into 3.0. This is > Benjamin's issue. =) Is that your way of say "Check in the patch!" ? :) -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson &q

Re: [Python-3000] PEP: str(container) should call str(item), not repr(item)

2008-05-29 Thread Benjamin Peterson
> Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/musiccomposition%40gmail.com > -- Cheers, Benjamin P

Re: [Python-3000] Mac module removal complete?

2008-05-30 Thread Benjamin Peterson
t were removed in Python 3. I'm pretty sure that plat-mac is going to go, but can Brett confirm? > > Some Mac head will need to do some additional cleanup before final release > (I'd do it, but as a non-Mac-user I can't judge well enough what is > important). I can han

Re: [Python-3000] Mac module removal complete?

2008-05-30 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> >> I'm pretty sure that plat-mac is going to go, but can Brett confirm? > > Ditch it. It's empty so there is no need to keep it. I

Re: [Python-3000] PEP: str(container) should call str(item), not repr(item)

2008-06-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
#x27;t apply to 3.1 or > 3.2 -- by which time the unicode-keyed dicts or oddly-converted print > statements may change the importance. Notice how Guido said he's opposed to it, *and* it would cause too much disturbance. I believe he has previously shunned this idea. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peters

Re: [Python-3000] Postponing the first betas

2008-06-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
e back online until June > 16. But thanks to all the help I have been receiving on PEP 3108, I > trust the various people involved to continue to do the right thing in > my absence. That reminds me of those Dilbert cartoons where his mother ends up knowing much more about computers

Re: [Python-3000] Install on Vista / AMD64 AthlonX2 platform

2008-06-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
y7mail email address. > www.yahoo7.com.au/mail > ___ > Python-3000 mailing list > Python-3000@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/musiccomposition%40gmail.com

Re: [Python-3000] python3000 udp problem

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin Peterson
7;,3722)) > udp.close() > > output: > main > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "C:\Python30\Projects\udp.py", line 6, in > udp.sendto("1",0,('127.0.0.1',3722)) > TypeError: sendto() argument 1 must be bytes or read-only buffer

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me

2008-06-11 Thread Benjamin Peterson
I'm going to handle it. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-3000/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-3000] Potential beta showstopper (was Re: [Python-Dev] Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me)

2008-06-11 Thread Benjamin Peterson
for about 3 more > hours and if this can't be fixed by then, we will have to postpone the > releases. Already done. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@pyt

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Potential beta showstopper (was Re: Have been sick, am behind on mail, let me know if there's anything urgent for me)

2008-06-11 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Benjamin Peterson >> >> Already done. > > Done what? Fixed, or backed out? Any more details? Old farts who > aren't on IRC want to know. :-) That wo

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] First betas (perhaps) on June 18

2008-06-13 Thread Benjamin Peterson
ing. I will quite happily abide by this; it's already causing more than enough stress over here. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mai

Re: [Python-3000] Implicit exception chaining (patch)

2008-06-13 Thread Benjamin Peterson
nctionality is there, but its consequences on exception reporting > are still non-existent (no funky multi-traceback exception messages for you). Wonderful! I was just about to make an issue for this anyway. I think Guido said this is something that could be implemented post-beta, though. -- Cheer

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] First betas (perhaps) on June 18

2008-06-14 Thread Benjamin Peterson
osing all the release critical bugs. > I think this will actually free us up a bit more on bug day to concentrate > on fixing other issues. I kinda hate to do this to you, but I had to file another release blocker: #3114 -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1.&

[Python-3000] PEP 3118 struct changes

2008-06-17 Thread Benjamin Peterson
Amaury and I were remarking on IRC how the PEP 3118 changes to the struct module haven't been implemented. What are the plans regarding this, and can it go in after beta? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___

Re: [Python-3000] failed to compile Python-3.0b1 with gcc-4.3.0: Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams

2008-06-19 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:18 PM, nirinA raseliarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hello all, > i tried to build Python3.0b1 but the make process hangs > while running: Building with gcc 4.3 is buggy. See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-April/012965.html. -- C

Re: [Python-3000] 2to3 fails here

2008-06-20 Thread Benjamin Peterson
.py", line 95, in > get_all_fix_names > names = os.listdir(fixer_dir) > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'lib2to3/fixes' > > What am I missing? Please see http://bugs.python.org/3131. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

[Python-3000] PyBytes_FromObject

2008-06-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
It seems PyBytes is missing the parallel call for PyByteArray_FromObject. Should I add it? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/m

Re: [Python-3000] PyBytes_FromObject

2008-06-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seems to make sense. Do you see many places where it would make > existing code shorter? It's a good way to convert a bytearray to bytes. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There

Re: [Python-3000] PyBytes_FromObject

2008-06-28 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Benjamin Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Seems to make

Re: [Python-3000] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
me either way. I vote for shifting things 2 weeks forward. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000 Unsubs

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Brett Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is a Google Calendar kept by anyone that lists stuff like planned > release dates, etc.? It's on my personal one. :) -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There

Re: [Python-3000] [Python-Dev] Second betas tomorrow

2008-07-01 Thread Benjamin Peterson
tes, etc.? > > http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/b6v58qvojllt0i6ql654r1vh00%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Can I get the non-iCal version? -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___

[Python-3000] to be merged

2008-07-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
ngs. (These can just be blocked, right?) - SSL changes -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-3000

Re: [Python-3000] to be merged

2008-07-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
lemented. [1] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3118/ > > - Josiah > -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___ Python-3000 mailing list Python-3000@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Python-3000] to be merged

2008-07-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
P.S. Can people please remember to block commits that shouldn't be merged into 3.0? (Or even better, merge the ones you make that should.) I feel rather nervous deciding whether something should be merged or not when it's an edge case. -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There&

Re: [Python-3000] to be merged

2008-07-02 Thread Benjamin Peterson
quot; [1] in your py3k working copy and then "svn ci -F svnmerge-commit-message.txt." [1] http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/contrib/client-side/svnmerge > > Bill > -- Cheers, Benjamin Peterson "There's no place like 127.0.0.1." ___

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