Re: [python-committers] Vote on governance will happen between Nov 16 - Nov 30

2018-10-23 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
While I suspect most participants are aware of this, just in care some don't I thought I'd just point out that it's futile to look for a "perfect" voting system -- Kenneth Arrow proved that long ago, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem Alex On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 9:

Re: [python-committers] Proposal: an explicit, time-limited moratorium on finalizing any governance decisions

2018-07-18 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
FWIW, +1. Alex On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 7:36 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote: > [tl;dr: We need some ground rules, because uncertainty makes it hard > to think straight. But if we get sucked into a complicated meta-debate > about the ground rules then that defeats the purpose. My proposal for > a Minim

Re: [python-committers] Proposal on how to vote (was: An alternative governance model)

2018-07-18 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
Hi Brett, On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > [can I just say how much I've missed having both you and Tim around, Alex? > 😃] Heh, good to hear!-) Another bit of concrete numbers: to get 84 people (roughly 2/3 of 91) > Uh, sorry, but -- even were you to become BDFL, you don

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-18 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 4:09 PM Fred Drake wrote: > > On Jul 18, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Mariatta Wijaya > wrote: > > Let's be clear that we're not yet at the stage where we can vote for > anything, let alone how to vote. > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:03 PM Łukasz Langa wrote: > > I don't understand

Re: [python-committers] Proposal on how to vote (was: An alternative governance model)

2018-07-18 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
There are plenty of precedents for mandatory voting, but the enforcement mechanisms (if any) appear not to be applicable to our case. Note the "if any": several countries declare voting a citizen's duty (in their Constitution or otherwise) but don't actually enforce this duty in any way. For exampl

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-18 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
Since 1179 (and with a few very minor exceptions in the centuries right after then -- none since 1612), the Catholic Church requires a super-majority of 2/3 to elect a new Pope. I don't see how the choice of a BDFL is so much more important to the Python community, than the choice of a Pope is to t

Re: [python-committers] An alternative governance model

2018-07-17 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
Barry, you offer truly compelling arguments for a new BDFL as GvR's successor -- FWIW, you've convinced me. And Brett would be an absolutely outstanding pick as that "new BDFL" -- on this, I need no convincing. Alex On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 7:08 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: > I’d like to propose an

Re: [python-committers] Transfer of power

2018-07-13 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
> > > How about a triumvirate (or trium*ate if “vir” is seen as too male-centric, > The root "vir" in appropriate contexts (though clearly not in all, e.g in `virile`) has long been divorced from its original "male" denotation. The best example is probably in the word "virtus" (in English, "virtue

Re: [python-committers] Pace of change for Python 3.x [was: My cavalier and aggressive manner, API] change and bugs introduced for basically zero benefit

2017-01-24 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Neil Schemenauer wrote: > On 2017-01-24, Victor Stinner wrote: > > You should take a look at this old deferred PEP: > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0407/ > > Thanks, that's very close to what I was thinking. I would still add > that we should be extra car

Re: [python-committers] Please add your GitHub username to your bugs.python.org account

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
My GitHub Name, aleaxit, is at http://bugs.python.org/user16700 and has been ever since April 4. Not sure why you think it isn't? Alex On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 May 2016 at 10:48 Alex Martelli wrote: > >> I still see a 404 at https://github.com/orgs/p

Re: [python-committers] Please add your GitHub username to your bugs.python.org account

2016-05-02 Thread Alex Martelli via python-committers
I still see a 404 at https://github.com/orgs/python/teams/python-core . Alex On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > OK, all done! For those of you already members of the Python org on GitHub > you should be added already. For those of you who weren't, check your email > for an i