On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Gregory P. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The 64K hunch is wrong. The system limit can be found using
getsockopt(...SO_RCVBUF...). It can easily be (and often is) set to many
megabytes either at a system default level or on a per socket level by the
user
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Steven Bethard
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On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have submitted a patch for review here: http://bugs.python.org/issue2663
glob-style patterns or a callable (for complex cases) can be
Neal Norwitz wrote:
I haven't seen any action on 3to2 (although I'm very behind on email).
Stefan, could you try to implement some of these and report back how
it works?
No, sorry, that's too low a priority for me currently.
Stefan
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On 2008-04-21 23:31, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
This is useful when you get a hunk of data which _should_ be some
sort of intelligible text from the Big Scary Internet (say, a posted
web form or email message), and you want to do something useful with
it (say, search the content).
I don't
pydoc blew up when I tried to view doc for pytools module, which is an egg:
pydoc -p 8082
pydoc server ready at http://localhost:8082/
Exception happened during processing of request from ('127.0.0.1', 52915)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
IMHO, more research has to be done into this area before a
standard module can be added to the Python's stdlib... and
who knows, perhaps we're lucky and by the time everyone is
using UTF-8 anyway :-)
I walked over to our computational linguistics group and asked. This
is often combined with
On 5 Apr, 2008, at 21:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just noticed this error message during configure:
checking whether gcc accepts -Olimit 1500... no
checking whether gcc supports ParseTuple __format__... no
checking whether pthreads are available without options... yes
checking
On 22-Apr-08, at 12:30 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
IMO, encoding estimation is something that many web programs will
have
to deal with
Can you please explain why that is? Web programs should not normally
have the need to detect the encoding; instead, it should be specified
always - unless you
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Tarek Ziadé [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Steven Bethard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Tarek Ziadé [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have submitted a patch for review here:
http://bugs.python.org/issue2663
When a web browser POSTs data, there is no standard way of communicating
which encoding it's using.
That's just not true. Web browser should and do use the encoding of the
web page that originally contained the form.
There are some hints which make it easier
(accept-charset attributes, the
Hi Jesus,
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
| I think it would be helpful if you could analyze the crashes that
| bsddb caused on Windows. Just go back a few revisions in the
| subversion tree to reproduce the crashes.
I have no MS Windows machines in my environment :-(
I remember those rampant BSDDB
Since a few days, checkin notifications for the 3k branch seem to be sent
to both the python-checkins and the python-3000-checkins lists. Was that a
deliberate decision or has some bug crept into the SVN hook?
This should be fixed now. The new mailer.py had named some config
options
On 22-Apr-08, at 3:31 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
I don't think that should be part of the standard library. People
will mistake what it tells them for certain.
+1
I also think that it's better to educate people to add (correct)
encoding information to their text data, rather than give them a
[CCing python-dev again]
On 2008-04-22 12:38, Greg Wilson wrote:
I don't think that should be part of the standard library. People
will mistake what it tells them for certain.
[etc]
These are all good arguments, but the fact remains that we can't control
our inputs (e.g., we're archiving
-On [20080418 18:05], Adam Olsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
4. Make doctest smarter, so that it can grab the original module's encoding.
5. Wait until 3.0, where this is hopefully fixed by making doctests
use unicode by default?
Getting rid of the u in front of the strings as required made Python
Can you please explain why that is? Web programs should not normally
have the need to detect the encoding; instead, it should be specified
always - unless you are talking about browsers specifically, which
need to support web pages that specify the encoding incorrectly.
Any program that
Can anybody please point me why print('a', 'b', sep=None, end=None) should
produce a b\n instead of ab?
I've read http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/library/functions.html#print, pep-3105
and some
ml threads but did not find a good reason justifying such a strange behaviour.
Thanks.
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 10:01 -0700, zooko wrote:
They both agreed that it made perfect sense. I told one of them
about the alternate proposal to define a new database file to
contain
a list of installed packages, and he sighed and rolled his eyes and
said So they are planning to
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:37:07AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
zooko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am skeptical that prorgammers are going to be willing to use a new
database format. They already have a database -- their filesystem --
and they already have the tools to control it -- mv, rm, and
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:41:32AM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
The way to achieve a database for Python would be to provide tools for
conversion of eggs to rpms and debs,
Such tools already exist, although the conversion takes place from
source distributions rather than egg distributions.
On Wed, April 9, 2008 12:41 am, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 10:49 PM 4/8/2008 -0400, Stanley A. Klein wrote:
On Tue, April 8, 2008 9:37 pm, Ben Finney
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:37:07 +1000
From: Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Distutils] how to easily
I have learned that this is a specific behavior of OS X. I have
submitted a formal bug report to Apple about the problem. It appears
that this is documented by Apple as acceptable:
All my development is done on Linux. I use Windows very minimally (such
as for tax preparation) and unless forced to do so for specific
circumstances (such as submittal to grants.gov) do not expose Windows to
the Internet.
In the future there may possibly arise a need for us to port some
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 02:26:31PM -0400, Stanley A. Klein wrote:
The rpm and deb package managers (and their yum and other higher level
dependency managers) do a lot of things:
1. They install packages and maintain databases of what packages were
installed
2. They manage dependencies
3.
On Wed, April 9, 2008 3:19 pm, Gael Varoquaux wrote:
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 02:26:31PM -0400, Stanley A. Klein wrote:
The rpm and deb package managers (and their yum and other higher level
dependency managers) do a lot of things:
1. They install packages and maintain databases of what
On Wed, April 9, 2008 3:40 pm, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 11:52 AM 4/9/2008 -0400, Stanley A. Klein wrote:
However, are you implying that the installation information for Python
egg
packages accesses and coordinates with the rpm database?
Yes, when the information isn't stripped out. Try a more
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:46:19PM +0100, Paul Moore wrote:
I find this whole discussion hugely confusing, because a lot of people
are stating opinions about environments which it seems they don't use,
or know much about. I don't know how to avoid this, but it does make
it highly unlikely that
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:52:08PM +0100, Paul Moore wrote:
And I would say that Windows doesn't have a problem. Are any Windows
users proposing building a package management system for Windows
(Python-specific or otherwise)? It's a genuine question - is this
something that Windows users are
Hello fellow pythonistas,
I'm currently writing a simple python SCTP module in C. So far it works
sending and receiving strings from it. The C sctp function sctp_sendmsg()
has been wrapped and my function looks like this:
sendMessage(PyObject *self, PyObject *args)
{
const char *msg = ;
if
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:17 -0500, Dave Peterson wrote:
I think I can sum up any further points by simply asking: Should it
be safe to assume I can distribute my application via eggs /
easy_install just because it is written in Python?
I think that based on this discussion the bottom line
Hi,
the SetType is not available in the types module, so wouldn't it be
needed here ? (in 2.6 by example)
I guess the change is really simple and would be backward compatible :
adding SetType = set
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others. Failing that, it's red bull and pizza in my lounge room :)
I've been working on some neat code for an AST optimizer. If I'm free
that weekend, I'll
hello,
I tried to implement a simple python XMLRPC service on a win32
environment (client/server code inserted below).
The profiler of the client told me, that a simple function call needs
about 200ms (even if I run it in a loop, the time needed per call stays
the same).
After analysing the
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So there's a difference in behaviour between 2.x and 3.0 when it comes to
this part. I guess the better behaviour would be for doctest to honour the
encoding specified in the file/module? If other people agree I can see what
I can to make that work.
I'm fairly skeptical that you can make that
On 2008-04-22 18:33, Bill Janssen wrote:
The 2002 paper A language and character set determination method
based on N-gram statistics by Izumi Suzuki and Yoshiki Mikami and
Ario Ohsato and Yoshihide Chubachi seems to me a pretty good way to go
about this.
Thanks for the reference.
Looks like
When a web browser POSTs data, there is no standard way of communicating
which encoding it's using.
That's just not true. Web browser should and do use the encoding of the
web page that originally contained the form.
Since the site that receives the POST doesn't necessarily have access
to
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Alvin Delagon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm going to construct an SS7 packet in python using struct.pack(). Here's
the question, how am I going to pass the packet I wrote in python to my
module and back? I already asked this question in comp.lang.python but so
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:08 AM, iks hefem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
the SetType is not available in the types module, so wouldn't it be
needed here ? (in 2.6 by example)
Nothing new is currently being added to the types module because we
are trying to decide whether to remove it or not.
Unless you're using a very broad scope, I don't think that
you'd need more than a few hundred LSEs for a typical
application - nothing you'd want to put in the Python stdlib,
though.
I tend to agree with this (and I'm generally in favor of putting
everything in the standard library!). For
On 22-Apr-08, at 2:16 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Any program that needs to examine the contents of
documents/feeds/whatever on the web needs to deal with
incorrectly-specified encodings
That's not true. Most programs that need to examine the contents of
a web page don't need to guess the
Hi,
This is not a python-specific problem. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagle's_algorithm
-Mike
On 17-Apr-08, at 3:08 AM, Robert Hölzl wrote:
hello,
I tried to implement a simple python XMLRPC service on a win32
environment (client/server code inserted below).
The profiler of the
Hello,
Alberto Casado Martín wrote:
Hi all,
First of all, sorry if this isn't the list where I have to post this.
And sorry for my english.
As the subject says, I'm having problems with the attached email, when
I try to get a email object reading the attached file, the python
process
Hi there,
I've just been accepted into this year's Google Summer of Code, to work for
the Python Software Foundation on 2to3. My project is to give 2to3 fixers
the ability to rank how confident they are on each fix, and let users choose
to intervene manually whenever that confidence level is
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| When you think you found a problem with python, please submit an issue
| in the python issue tracker:
|http://bugs.python.org/
Or post to comp.lang.python / python mailing list /
gmane.comp.python.general
Yup, but DrProject (the target application) also serves as a relay and
archive for email. We have no control over the agent used for
composition, and AFAIK there's no standard way to include encoding
information.
Greg,
Internet-compliant email actually has well-specified mechanisms for
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Rodrigo Bernardo Pimentel
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Hi there,
I've just been accepted into this year's Google Summer of Code, to work for
the Python Software Foundation on 2to3. My project is to give 2to3 fixers
the ability to rank how confident they are on
On Tue, Apr 22 2008 at 09:02:49PM BRT, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Rodrigo Bernardo Pimentel
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I've just been accepted into this year's Google Summer of Code
(...)
Finally, I'd like to request commit privileges to work on a
Benjamin Peterson schrieb:
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:08 AM, iks hefem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
the SetType is not available in the types module, so wouldn't it be
needed here ? (in 2.6 by example)
Nothing new is currently being added to the types module because we
are trying to
Alvin Delagon schrieb:
I'm going to construct an SS7 packet in python using struct.pack(). Here's
the question, how am I going to pass the packet I wrote in python to my
module and back? I already asked this question in comp.lang.python but so
far no responses yet. I hope anyone can point me
Hello,
My name is Nick Edds. I am going to be working on the 2to3 tool with Collin
Winter as my mentor. More specifically, I will be working on improving the
performance of the 2to3 tool in general, and its use of patterns in
particular.
I would like to request commit privileges to work in a
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Rodrigo Bernardo Pimentel
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On Tue, Apr 22 2008 at 09:02:49PM BRT, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Rodrigo Bernardo Pimentel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've just been accepted into this year's
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Nick Edds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
My name is Nick Edds. I am going to be working on the 2to3 tool with Collin
Winter as my mentor. More specifically, I will be working on improving the
performance of the 2to3 tool in general, and its use of patterns in
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Trent Nelson wrote:
| I remember those rampant BSDDB crashes on Windows well.
[...]
| basically, the tests weren't cleaning up their environment in
| the right order, so BSDDB was getting passed completely and
| utterly bogus values.
Next week I
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Benjamin Peterson
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Nick Edds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
My name is Nick Edds. I am going to be working on the 2to3 tool with Collin
Winter as my mentor. More specifically, I will be working
Bill Janssen writes:
Internet-compliant email actually has well-specified mechanisms for
including encoding information; see RFCs 2047 and 2231. There's no
need to guess; you can just look.
You must be very special to get only compliant email.
About half my colleagues use RFC 2047 to
Martin v. Löwis writes:
In any case, I'm very skeptical that a general guess encoding
module would do a meaningful thing when applied to incorrectly
encoded HTML pages.
That depends on whether you can get meaningful information about the
language from the fact that you're looking at the
Guido van Rossum writes:
To the contrary, an encoding-guessing module is often needed, and
guessing can be done with a pretty high success rate. Other Unicode
libraries (e.g. ICU) contain guessing modules. I suppose the API could
return two values: the guessed encoding and a confidence
Yup, but DrProject (the target application) also serves as a relay and
archive for email. We have no control over the agent used for
composition, and AFAIK there's no standard way to include encoding
information.
That's not at all the case. MIME defines that in full detail, since
1993.
I certainly agree that if the target set of documents is small enough it
is possible to hand-code the encoding. There are many applications,
however, that need to examine the content of an arbitrary, or at least
non-small set of web documents. To name a few such applications:
- web
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| I certainly agree that if the target set of documents is small enough it
|
| Ok. What advantage would you (or somebody working on a similar project)
| gain if chardet was part of the standard library? What if it was not
Is there anybody who nows how to solve the problem?
If it's really the problem described in the MSKB article, the article
also suggests a solution: use non-blocking sockets.
Regards,
Martin
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