Chris Angelico writes:
Don't forget, of course, that there is a middle ground. Something
that's really REALLY awesome on PyPI but isn't in the stdlib might be
packaged by various Linux distros.
Oh, agreed, and any organization that cares that much will already
have the RHEL or Ubuntu LTS
On 28 March 2014 05:09, Josiah Carlson josiah.carl...@gmail.com wrote:
So yeah. Someone want to make a decision? Tell me to write the docs, I will.
Tell me to go take a long walk off a short pier, I'll thank you for your
time and leave you alone.
I had a need for this a few years ago. It's
2014-03-28 2:16 GMT+01:00 Josiah Carlson josiah.carl...@gmail.com:
def do_login(...):
proc = subprocess.Popen(...)
current = proc.recv(timeout=5)
last_line = current.rstrip().rpartition('\n')[-1]
if last_line.endswith('login:'):
proc.send(username)
if
I'm not sure if this is a result of the recent website reorg, but
www.jython.org seems to be redirecting to docs.python.org for me.
Presumably this is an error - where do I report it and/or is it a
known issue?
Thanks,
Paul.
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On 28 March 2014 20:20, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-03-28 2:16 GMT+01:00 Josiah Carlson josiah.carl...@gmail.com:
def do_login(...):
proc = subprocess.Popen(...)
current = proc.recv(timeout=5)
last_line = current.rstrip().rpartition('\n')[-1]
if
I'm not sure where the responsibilities of the redesign team end and
those of the infrastructure team start, but since the switch to the
new site I've been adding anything related to the website parts of
python.org to https://github.com/python/pythondotorg/issues
If that's not the right place,
On 28 March 2014 10:53, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure where the responsibilities of the redesign team end and
those of the infrastructure team start, but since the switch to the
new site I've been adding anything related to the website parts of
python.org to
There's a furious discussion going on at the python-list mailing list,
about negative timedelta strings:
py str(timedelta(0, -1))
'-1 day, 23:59:59'
This is documented. It's even documented as being somewhat unusual. I
found a tracker item for it, back in July 2010:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:32:02 +1000
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Most of the time when I hear people say the PEP process is too
difficult, I eventually find that what they really mean is learning
the kinds of things that python-dev are likely to be worried about,
and ensuring that
On 28 March 2014 21:12, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 20:32:02 +1000
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Most of the time when I hear people say the PEP process is too
difficult, I eventually find that what they really mean is learning
the kinds of things
On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 March 2014 10:53, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure where the responsibilities of the redesign team end and
those of the infrastructure team start, but since the switch to the
new site I've been adding
On 28 March 2014 11:24, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Probably infrastructure-st...@python.org
OK, I've emailed them as well.
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On 03/27/2014 09:16 PM, Josiah Carlson wrote:
But here's the thing: I can build enough using asyncio in 30-40 lines
of Python to offer something like the above API. The problem is that
it really has no natural home. It uses asyncio, so makes no
Hi,
The libpython library has been added to the ABI tracker:
http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/python.html
The page lists library versions and changes in API/ABI.
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On 03/27/2014 04:11 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Maybe. That depends on if you care about the convenience of folks
who have to get new modules past Corporate Security, but it's easier
to get an upgrade of the whole shebang. I don't think it's
Hi,
2014-03-28 9:31 GMT+01:00 Andrey Ponomarenko aponomare...@rosalab.ru:
The libpython library has been added to the ABI tracker:
http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/python.html
The page lists library versions and changes in API/ABI.
Nice!
By the way, would it be possible to add a second
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014, at 3:28, Paul Moore wrote:
I'm not sure if this is a result of the recent website reorg, but
www.jython.org seems to be redirecting to docs.python.org for me.
Presumably this is an error - where do I report it and/or is it a
known issue?
This was my fault, though maybe
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info
wrote:
py str(timedelta(0, -1))
'-1 day, 23:59:59'
..
Does anyone remember the rationale for this behaviour?
I don't recall any better rationale than what I wrote in the docs: String
representations of timedelta objects are
On 28 March 2014 16:22, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
On 03/28/2014 12:18 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
I'm mostly arguing the FLOSS project should feel free to ignore
high-maintenance-cost commercial concerns until those concerns bring
either blook (funded developer time) or treasure
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote:
(*) As an aside (that is, this belongs in a separate thread if you
want to discuss it), in my opinion, attempting to support ISO 8601
formatting is pointless without the presence of an anchor datetime.
I meant ISO 8601
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:19:52 -0500
Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it open to debate or is it now cast in stone?
I think the barrier for changing str() is lower than that for changing
Andrew wrote:
I meant ISO 8601 syntax for durations [1].
That's exactly what I was referring to. Consider this session:
now = datetime.datetime.now()
now
datetime.datetime(2014, 3, 28, 12, 4, 38, 517110)
then = now - datetime.timedelta(days=57, hours=12, minutes=12, seconds=12)
now
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it open to debate or is it now cast in stone?
I think the barrier for changing str() is lower than that for changing
repr(), but I would be against any changes in this area. (I may have had a
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On 03/28/2014 11:57 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
So, let me get this straight: you think that one user should pay Red
Hat to vet the package for RHEL, and another user should pay to get
it into Ubuntu, and another user to get it into SuSE? And
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Skip Montanaro s...@pobox.com wrote:
Given that the timedelta has more than a month's worth of days, how
would you describe it using the ISO8601 duration notation without
referencing a specific point in time? Conversely, given your example,
P3Y6M4DT12H30M5S,
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:45:01 -0400, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
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On 03/27/2014 09:16 PM, Josiah Carlson wrote:
But here's the thing: I can build enough using asyncio in 30-40 lines
of Python to offer something like the above API.
*This* is the type of conversation that I wanted to avoid. But I'll answer
your questions because I used to do exactly the same thing.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.comwrote:
2014-03-28 2:16 GMT+01:00 Josiah Carlson josiah.carl...@gmail.com:
def
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Josiah Carlson josiah.carl...@gmail.comwrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I spent an hour this morning building a
2-function API for Linux and Windows, both tested, not using ctypes, and
not even using any part of asyncio (the Windows bits are in msvcrt
And probably the block should be deindented
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:12:02 +0100 (CET)
yury.selivanov python-check...@python.org wrote:
+.. classmethod:: Signature.from_callable(obj)
+
+ Return a
Tres Seaver writes:
On 03/27/2014 04:11 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Maybe. That depends on if you care about the convenience of folks
who have to get new modules past Corporate Security, but it's easier
to get an upgrade of the whole shebang. I don't think it's ever
really
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I'm mostly arguing the FLOSS project should feel free to ignore
high-maintenance-cost commercial concerns until those concerns bring
either blook (funded developer time) or treasure (pooled to pay for
On 28 March 2014 13:46, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote:
This was my fault, though maybe apache 2.2's weird virtual host
selection rules can share some of the blame. Fixed now.
Thanks
Paul
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:20:35AM +, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:
I'll be willing to experiment with extending the heapq. methods to take an
optional map argument.
'map' would be a dict, mapping objects in the heap to indices. If provided,
each of the heapq methouds would
take care
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:31:59 +0400
Andrey Ponomarenko aponomare...@rosalab.ru wrote:
Hi,
The libpython library has been added to the ABI tracker:
http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/python.html
The page lists library versions and changes in API/ABI.
Thanks. Do note that most of these
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Josiah Carlson
josiah.carl...@gmail.comwrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I spent an hour this morning building a
2-function API for Linux and Windows, both tested, not using
On 2014-03-28 16:39, Paul Moore wrote:
On 28 March 2014 16:22, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote:
On 03/28/2014 12:18 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
I'm mostly arguing the FLOSS project should feel free to ignore
high-maintenance-cost commercial concerns until those concerns bring
either blook
Am 27.03.2014 22:21, schrieb Ethan Furman:
On 03/27/2014 01:44 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Accepted.
Yay!
+1 for that Yay :)
Georg
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On 3/28/2014 12:45 PM, Josiah Carlson wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I spent an hour this morning building a
2-function API for Linux and Windows, both tested, not using ctypes, and
not even using any part of asyncio (the Windows bits are in msvcrt and
_winapi). It works in Python 3.3+.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 3/28/2014 12:45 PM, Josiah Carlson wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, I spent an hour this morning building a
2-function API for Linux and Windows, both tested, not using ctypes, and
not even using any part of
On 3/28/2014 11:35 AM, Josiah Carlson wrote:
If it were me, I'd define three methods, with longer names to
clarify what they do, e.g.
proc.write_nonblocking(data)
data = proc.read_nonblocking()
data = proc.read_stderr_nonblocking()
Easily doable.
I'd appreciate being
On 3/28/2014 6:20 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Full example of asynchronous communication with a subprocess (the
python interactive interpreter) using asyncio high-level API:
Thank you for writing this. As I explained in response to Josiah, Idle
communicates with a python interpreter subprocess
To be clear, the proposal for Idle would be to still use the RPC protocol,
but run it over a pipe instead of a socket, right?
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 3/28/2014 6:20 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Full example of asynchronous communication with a
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:58:25 -0400
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 3/28/2014 6:20 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Full example of asynchronous communication with a subprocess (the
python interactive interpreter) using asyncio high-level API:
Thank you for writing this. As I explained in
Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
I meant ISO 8601 syntax for durations [1].
ISO 8601 doesn't seem to define a representation for
negative durations, though, so it wouldn't solve the
original problem.
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Le 28 mars 2014 21:59, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu a écrit :
On 3/28/2014 6:20 AM, Victor Stinner wrote:
Full example of asynchronous communication with a subprocess (the
python interactive interpreter) using asyncio high-level API:
However, the code below creates a subprocess for one
On Mar 26, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote:
I have made a full implementation of a balanced tree and would like to
know what the process is to have it considered for inclusion in Python
3.
To summarize, the implementation closely parallels dict() features and
If it makes you feel any better, I spent an hour this morning building a
2-function API for Linux and Windows, both tested, not using ctypes, and
not even using any part of asyncio (the Windows bits are in msvcrt and
_winapi). It works in Python 3.3+. You can see it here:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
ISO 8601 doesn't seem to define a representation for
negative durations, though, so it wouldn't solve the
original problem.
Aside from the horribleness of the ISO 8601 notation for a duration, it's
best not to
Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com:
* An AVL balanced tree isn't the only solution or necessarily the best
solution to the problem. Tree nodes tend to take more space than
denser structures and they have awful cache locality (these are the
same reasons that deques use doubly-linked
Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz:
ISO 8601 doesn't seem to define a representation for
negative durations, though, so it wouldn't solve the
original problem.
XSD uses ISO 8601 durations and allows a sign before the initial P.
It would appear PT1M means 60 or 61 seconds. P1D means 23,
On 28/03/2014 06:35 pm, Josiah Carlson wrote:
If it were me, I'd define three methods, with longer names to
clarify what they do, e.g.
proc.write_nonblocking(data)
data = proc.read_nonblocking()
data = proc.read_stderr_nonblocking()
Easily doable.
To implement
On 03/27/2014 04:26 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On 27 March 2014 20:47, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote:
The PEP 461 looks good to me. It's a nice addition to Python 3.5 and
the PEP is well defined.
+1 from me as well. One minor request is that I don't think the
rationale for
Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net:
For example, Jython would probably use SortedTree to implement it.
That word just keeps coming out of my keyboard. The Java class is of
course the TreeMap.
Marko
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On 29 March 2014 02:25, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:31:59 +0400
Andrey Ponomarenko aponomare...@rosalab.ru wrote:
Hi,
The libpython library has been added to the ABI tracker:
http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/python.html
The page lists library
On 29 March 2014 01:57, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Another way to put it is, we need a better way to fund support of
routine maintenance (ie, the unfun parts) than negotiating it module
by module.
Yes, yes we do, and there *are* people working on that (see
This is a follow up of:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/python-tulip/91NCCqV4SFs
According to the information I collected so far it seems it's not possible
(or at least very hard) to cleanly shutdown a process pool and all its
workers in case of KeyboardInterrupt / SIGINT.
Literally, what
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Stutzbach stutzb...@google.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote:
The blist implementation, which I have taken a quick glance at,
buys cache locality at the price of block copying; I have no data to
decide if
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