Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 25 November 2014 at 13:18, Donald Stufft wrote: > > There’s also the social aspects of it as well which is a big concern too IMO. > If you want to attract new contributors, not just keep the ones you already > have sometimes that means going to where the new contributors are instead of > tel

Re: [Python-Dev] PCBuild project updates

On 22/11/2014 22:10, Steve Dower wrote: Just attracting some attention to http://bugs.python.org/issue22919 for those of us who build Python out of the PCBuild folder. More details/patches there, but the tl;dr is * Still works with VS 2010 (and now VS 2013 and VS 2015 too) * Build time should be

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On 25 November 2014 at 10:47, Guido van Rossum wrote: > In my defense, the docs for the warnings module on docs.python.org at start > like this: > > "Warning messages are typically issued in situations where it is useful to > alert the user of some condition in a program, where that condition > (n

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:37 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > On 11/24/2014 06:27 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: >>> >>> It is sounding to me like GitHub is not, itself, an open solution, even >>> though >>> they may support open source. >> >> I’d agree

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 11/24/2014 06:27 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: >> >> It is sounding to me like GitHub is not, itself, an open solution, even >> though >> they may support open source. > > I’d agree if the tooling was comparable, but at the end of the day the close

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > On 11/24/2014 08:36 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >>> >>> This might be a little controversial, but the PSF's mission should not >>> influence a decision of python-dev. > > Yet what we do ca

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 11/24/2014 08:36 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: > On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: >> >> This might be a little controversial, but the PSF's mission should not >> influence a decision of python-dev. Yet what we do can reinforce, or undermine, the PSF. >> The only reason we didn't

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 479: Change StopIteration handling inside generators

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Alexander Belopolsky < alexander.belopol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Guido van Rossum > wrote: > >> There's a new PEP proposing to change how to treat StopIteration bubbling >> up out of a generator frame (not caused by a return from

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Isaac Schwabacher wrote: > On 11/24/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Isaac Schwabacher < > ischwabac...@wisc.edu > ischwabac...@wisc.edu> wrote: > > > > > On 11/24/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:14 A

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On 11/24/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Isaac Schwabacher ischwabac...@wisc.edu> wrote: > > > On 11/24/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Isaac Schwabacher > > > > > 't=ischwabac...@wisc.edu>(java_script:main.compose()> wrote: > >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 479: Change StopIteration handling inside generators

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > There's a new PEP proposing to change how to treat StopIteration bubbling > up out of a generator frame (not caused by a return from the frame). The > proposal is to replace such a StopIteration with a RuntimeError (chained to > the origi

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Isaac Schwabacher wrote: > On 11/24/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Isaac Schwabacher < > ischwabac...@wisc.edu(javascript:main.compose()> wrote: > > > > > On 11/23/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > > > > It wouldn't be so bad i

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On 11/24/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Isaac Schwabacher > wrote: > > > On 11/23/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > > It wouldn't be so bad if we had the occasional generator author writing > > > "raise StopIteration" instead of "return" to exit from a genera

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:48 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > On 25 Nov 2014 06:25, "Donald Stufft" > wrote: > > > > > >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Nick Coghlan >> > wrote: > >> > >> It may not have been Guido's intention, but his proposal to

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 24/11/2014 02:59, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Nov 23, 2014, at 08:55 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: - Moving from Hg to Git is a fair amount of one-time work For anyone seriously interested in this, even experimentally, I would highly suggest looking at Eric Raymond's reposurgeon code. You can go

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 25 Nov 2014 06:25, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> It may not have been Guido's intention, but his proposal to undercut the entire Python based version control tooling ecosystem by deeming it entirely unfit for our purposes has caused me to

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > On 25 Nov 2014 02:28, "Brett Cannon" > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 2:25:30 AM Nick Coghlan > > wrote: > >> > >> On 24 November 2014 at 02:55, Brett Cannon >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 25 Nov 2014 02:28, "Brett Cannon" wrote: > > > > On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 2:25:30 AM Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> On 24 November 2014 at 02:55, Brett Cannon wrote: >> > On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 6:18:46 AM Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Those features are readily accessible without changing the underlying

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Isaac Schwabacher wrote: > On 11/23/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > It wouldn't be so bad if we had the occasional generator author writing > "raise StopIteration" instead of "return" to exit from a generator. (We > could just add a recommendation against this

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > > On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 2:25:30 AM Nick Coghlan wrote: > >> >> That >> outcome would be the antithesis of the PSF's overall mission, > > > This might be a little controversial, but the P

Re: [Python-Dev] Please reconsider PEP 479.

On 11/23/14, Guido van Rossum wrote: > It wouldn't be so bad if we had the occasional generator author writing > "raise StopIteration" instead of "return" to exit from a generator. (We could > just add a recommendation against this to the style guide.) But the problem > is that an unguarded ne

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

Is there snapshotting? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > > Are you volunteering to write a competing PEP for a migration to git and > GitHub? > > If nobody steps up to do this (and another PEP isn’t accepted befor

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Are you volunteering to write a competing PEP for a migration to git and > GitHub? If nobody steps up to do this (and another PEP isn’t accepted before then) I can likely write something up over the upcoming holiday. --- Donald Stufft PGP

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 2:25:30 AM Nick Coghlan > wrote: > > That > outcome would be the antithesis of the PSF's overall mission, > > This might be a little controversial, but the PSF's mission should not > in

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On Mon Nov 24 2014 at 2:25:30 AM Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 24 November 2014 at 02:55, Brett Cannon wrote: > > On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 6:18:46 AM Nick Coghlan > wrote: > >> Those features are readily accessible without changing the underlying > >> version control system (whether self-hosted through

Re: [Python-Dev] ubuntu buildbot

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014, at 00:33, David Bolen wrote: > Yeah, it definitely needs it. Historically it was intentional as my own > servers were all on 8.04, but the last of those moved 12.04 last year. > > I think there's already a 12.04 buildbot, so perhaps 14.04 would be > better? I do prefer st

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On Nov 24, 2014 3:12 AM, "Nick Coghlan" wrote: > > > On 24 Nov 2014 10:41, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:55:50AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > > >> But I strongly believe that if we want to

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 24 November 2014 at 02:55, Brett Cannon wrote: >> On Sun Nov 23 2014 at 6:18:46 AM Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> Those features are readily accessible without changing the underlying >>> version control system (whether self-hosted through Kal

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:12 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > > On 24 Nov 2014 10:41, "Donald Stufft" > wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:55:50AM -0800, Guido van

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 24 November 2014 at 22:01, Donald Stufft wrote: >>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Ben Finney wrote: >>> No, I'm not offering to write such a PEP either. I'm requesting that we >>> recognise that a promotion of GitHub needs to account for

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 24 November 2014 at 22:01, Donald Stufft wrote: >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Ben Finney wrote: >> No, I'm not offering to write such a PEP either. I'm requesting that we >> recognise that a promotion of GitHub needs to account for its downsides >> too, and needs to promote its specific bene

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Nick Coghlan writes: > >> Are you volunteering to write a competing PEP for a migration to git >> and GitHub? > > Anyone who does decide to propose either Git or GitHub for hosting > Python resources: Please don't conflate the two. > > Git

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

Nick Coghlan writes: > Are you volunteering to write a competing PEP for a migration to git > and GitHub? Anyone who does decide to propose either Git or GitHub for hosting Python resources: Please don't conflate the two. Git is a community-supported free-software DVCS system with many viable h

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 24 November 2014 at 10:20, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Another aspect that can be somewhat annoying is the terminology > conflict between branches in the git sense and bookmarks vs named > branches in the Mercurial sense. This is probably the thing that hurts me most in git/hg translation. In git, I

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

> On Nov 23, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> >>> I took the git knowledge I acquired by necessity at Red Hat and >>> figured out how to apply it to hg. All the same features are there in >>> hg, they're just switched off by default (mainly because the core >>> Mercurial devs are adamant t

Re: [Python-Dev] Move selected documentation repos to PSF BitBucket account?

On 24 Nov 2014 10:41, "Donald Stufft" wrote: > > > > On Nov 23, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:55:50AM -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > >> But I strongly believe that if we want to do the right thing for the > >> long term, we should switch to GitH