Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 16 December 2014 at 16:03, Ben Finney wrote: > Alex Gaynor writes: > >> Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: >> >> > Rather, the claim is that *if* one's code base doesn't migrate to >> > Python 3, it will be decreasingly supported by the PSF and the >> > Python community at large. >> >> The P

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 16 December 2014 at 13:08, Mark Roberts wrote: > The whole situation is made worse because I *KNOW* that Python 3 is a better > language than Python 2, but that it doesn't *MATTER* because Python 2 is > what people are - and will be - using for the foreseeable future. It's > impractical to drop

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Ben Finney
Alex Gaynor writes: > Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: > > > Rather, the claim is that *if* one's code base doesn't migrate to > > Python 3, it will be decreasingly supported by the PSF and the > > Python community at large. > > The PSF doesn't support any versions of Python. We have effectiv

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Alex Gaynor
Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: > > Rather, the claim is that *if* one's code base doesn't migrate to Python > 3, it will be decreasingly supported by the PSF and the Python community > at large. > The PSF doesn't support any versions of Python. We have effectively no involvement in the de

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Ben Finney
Mark Roberts writes: > So, I'm the guy that used the "hate" word in relation to writing 2/3 > compliant code. And really, as a library maintainer/writer I do hate > writing 2/3 compatible code. You're unlikely to get disagreement on that. I certainly concur. The catch is, at the moment it's bet

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Mark Roberts
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > Are you primarily writing packages for others to use? if so, then yes. But > I wonder how many people are in that camp? Don't most of us spend most of > our time writing our own purpose-built code? > > That might be a nice thing to see in a

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Dec 14, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: >Barry, Petr, any of the other folks working on distro level C extension >ports, perhaps one of you would be willing to consider an update to the C >extension porting guide to be more in line with Brett's latest version of >the Python level porting

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Chris Barker wrote: > > OK, this seems weird to me: > > For what it’s worth, I almost exclusively write 2/3 compatible code (and > that’s > with the “easy” subset of 2.6+ and either 3.2+ or 3.3+) > > ouch. > > However the way it "used" to work > is that the n

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.x and 3.x use survey, 2014 edition

2014-12-15 Thread Chris Barker
OK, this seems weird to me: For what it’s worth, I almost exclusively write 2/3 compatible code (and > that’s > with the “easy” subset of 2.6+ and either 3.2+ or 3.3+) ouch. > However the way it "used" to work > is that the newest version, with all the new features, would quickly become > the