Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 4 November 2017 at 04:24, Guido van Rossum wrote: > A side note (I'm reading all responses but staying out of the discussion): > > No static checker should depend on the *contents* of typing.py, since it's > just a bunch of runtime gymnastics to allow types to be evaluated at

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff

On 4 November 2017 at 09:52, Jelle Zijlstra wrote: > > 2017-11-03 16:44 GMT-07:00 Joao S. O. Bueno : >> >> This just popped up in Brython's issue tracker discussion: >> >> """ >> Pierre Quentel >> >> 04:57 (16 hours ago)

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

> On 3 Nov, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > The question is if you would only need or pip install typing>. > > If typing is removed from the stdlib, you can still use it in your > application. It's "just" another dependency no? The ideal situation is

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 563: Postponed Evaluation of Annotations

On Nov 3, 2017, at 17:09, Luca Sbardella wrote: > > Impressive stats! I didn’t know this command, thanks! Neither did I until a day or so ago. I already only want to use Python 3.7. :) -Barry signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 563: Postponed Evaluation of Annotations

Impressive stats! I didn’t know this command, thanks! On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 20:47, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 2, 2017, at 23:22, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Another point worth noting is that merely importing the typing module > > is expensive: > > > > $

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff

2017-11-04 0:44 GMT+01:00 Joao S. O. Bueno : > This just popped up in Brython's issue tracker discussion: > > """ > Pierre Quentel > > 04:57 (16 hours ago) > to brython-dev/br., Subscribed > > I think it's better to rename all occurences of async

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff

2017-11-03 16:44 GMT-07:00 Joao S. O. Bueno : > This just popped up in Brython's issue tracker discussion: > > """ > Pierre Quentel > > 04:57 (16 hours ago) > to brython-dev/br., Subscribed > > I think it's better to rename all occurences of async

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff

This just popped up in Brython's issue tracker discussion: """ Pierre Quentel 04:57 (16 hours ago) to brython-dev/br., Subscribed I think it's better to rename all occurences of async now, although it's strange that : there is currently no deprecation warning in

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

2017-11-03 18:00 GMT+01:00 Steve Dower : > If not having typing installed means you can't use "Any" or "Optional" in an > annotation, that basically kills the whole thing. Some primitives need to be > there. I'm not sure that I understand you. The question is if you would

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 03.11.2017 21:34, Paul Moore wrote: Consider someone who's downloaded Python and PyCharm (or Visual Studio). They want to get the benefit of the IDE code completion facilities, so they declare their argument as List[int], following the information they've found on how to declare lists of

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 563: Postponed Evaluation of Annotations

On Nov 2, 2017, at 23:22, Nick Coghlan wrote: > Another point worth noting is that merely importing the typing module > is expensive: > > $ python -m perf timeit -s "from importlib import reload; import > typing" "reload(typing)" > . > Mean +- std dev:

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 3 November 2017 at 17:00, Steve Dower wrote: > > I'm torn. > > If not having typing installed means you can't use "Any" or "Optional" in an > annotation, that basically kills the whole thing. Some primitives need to be > there. Thinking some more about this, I think

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On Nov 3, 2017, at 10:00, Steve Dower wrote: > > On 03Nov2017 0915, Victor Stinner wrote: >> Hi, >> 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : >>> Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? >>> https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 >> I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:46:33 -0400 > "Eric V. Smith" wrote: > > On 11/3/2017 12:15 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 03Nov2017 1124, Guido van Rossum wrote: A side note (I'm reading all responses but staying out of the discussion): No static checker should depend on the *contents* of typing.py, since it's just a bunch of runtime gymnastics to allow types to be evaluated at runtime without errors, with a

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

Le 03/11/2017 à 19:34, Stéfane Fermigier a écrit : > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Antoine Pitrou > wrote: > > I don't think other modules should start relying on the typing module at > runtime. > > They already do, as I've noted

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

A side note (I'm reading all responses but staying out of the discussion): No static checker should depend on the *contents* of typing.py, since it's just a bunch of runtime gymnastics to allow types to be evaluated at runtime without errors, with a secondary goal of making them introspectable

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

Also, as for dataclasses specifically, since it may become as pervasive as namedtuples, we probably want it to be as light-weight as possible. Which will be harder to achieve if its *API* depends on the typing machinery. Regards Antoine. Le 03/11/2017 à 19:04, Paul Moore a écrit : > On 3

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 03Nov2017 0915, Victor Stinner wrote: Hi, 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 I'm strongly in favor on such move. I'm torn. If not having typing installed means you

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib (was: Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff)

2017-11-03 10:46 GMT-07:00 Brett Cannon : > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 08:09 Paul Moore wrote: > >> On 3 November 2017 at 14:50, Serhiy Storchaka >> wrote: >> > 03.11.17 16:36, Guido van Rossum пише: >> >> Maybe we should remove typing

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 3 November 2017 at 17:47, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:46:33 -0400 > "Eric V. Smith" wrote: >> On 11/3/2017 12:15 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : >> >> Maybe

Re: [Python-Dev] [edk2] Official port of Python on EDK2

Since the initial email got cross-posted, would it be possible to drop python-dev from any discussing that doesn't directly involve Python itself (e.g. we don't need to be involved in a discussion about whether you all have threading on UEFI)? On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 07:57 Michael Zimmermann

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:46:33 -0400 "Eric V. Smith" wrote: > On 11/3/2017 12:15 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > Hi, > > > > 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : > >> Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? > >>

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib (was: Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff)

On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 at 08:09 Paul Moore wrote: > On 3 November 2017 at 14:50, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > > 03.11.17 16:36, Guido van Rossum пише: > >> Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? > >> https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 > > > >

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Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On 11/3/2017 12:15 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: Hi, 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 The typing module is not used yet in the stdlib, so there is no technically reason to

[Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

Hi, 2017-11-03 15:36 GMT+01:00 Guido van Rossum : > Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? > https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 I'm strongly in favor on such move. My experience with asyncio in the stdlib is that users expect changes faster than the very slow

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib (was: Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff)

On 3 November 2017 at 14:50, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > 03.11.17 16:36, Guido van Rossum пише: >> Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? >> https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 > > I didn't use typing, but AFAIK the most used feature from typing is > NamedTuple.

Re: [Python-Dev] [edk2] Official port of Python on EDK2

> FYI, this library adds thread support to UEFI: > > https://github.com/Openwide-Ingenierie/GreenThreads-UEFI IMO this library has some crucial problems like changing the TPL during context switching. For my project "EFIDroid" I've invested many months analyzing, testing and implementing my own

[Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib (was: Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff)

03.11.17 16:36, Guido van Rossum пише: > Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? > https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 I didn't use typing, but AFAIK the most used feature from typing is NamedTuple. If move NamedTuple and maybe other convenient classes not directly related to

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 563: Postponed Evaluation of Annotations

IMO the inability of referencing class-level definitions from annotations on methods pretty much kills this idea. On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:27 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 3 November 2017 at 04:39, Jukka Lehtosalo wrote: > >> > * forward references:

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff

Maybe we should remove typing from the stdlib? https://github.com/python/typing/issues/495 -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] Reorganizing re and curses related code

03.11.17 12:29, Nick Coghlan пише: On 3 November 2017 at 20:01, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: Since virtually all changes in these files at recent years have been made by me, I don't think this will harm other core developers. Are there any objections? Sound fine to me (and

Re: [Python-Dev] Reorganizing re and curses related code

On 3 November 2017 at 20:01, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > > Since virtually all changes in these files at recent years have been made by > me, I don't think this will harm other core developers. Are there any > objections? Sound fine to me (and you may want to add an underscore

Re: [Python-Dev] Reorganizing re and curses related code

Sounds good to me :-) Regards Antoine. On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:01:28 +0200 Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > Currently the implementation of re and curses related modules is sparsed > over several files: > > re: > Lib/re.py > Lib/sre_compile.py >

[Python-Dev] Reorganizing re and curses related code

Currently the implementation of re and curses related modules is sparsed over several files: re: Lib/re.py Lib/sre_compile.py Lib/sre_constants.py Lib/sre_parse.py _sre: Modules/_sre.c Modules/sre_constants.h Modules/sre.h Modules/sre_lib.h _curses:

Re: [Python-Dev] Reminder: 12 weeks to 3.7 feature code cutoff

Terry Reedy writes: > On 11/2/2017 4:54 AM, Lele Gaifax wrote: > >> I'm not sure if the rebase should have been done on the original branch >> instead of creating a new one, or instead if I should open a new PR (and >> close the original one?). > > It is normal to 'git merge

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 563: Postponed Evaluation of Annotations

On 3 November 2017 at 04:39, Jukka Lehtosalo wrote: >> > * forward references: when a type hint contains names that have not been >> > defined yet, that definition needs to be expressed as a string >> > literal; >> >> After all the discussion, I still don't see why this

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 563: Postponed Evaluation of Annotations

On 3 November 2017 at 03:00, Brett Cannon wrote: > The cost of constructing some of the objects used as type hints can be very > expensive and make importing really expensive (this has been pointed out by > Lukasz previously as well as Inada-san). By making Python itself not