On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:18 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl:
>> Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or
Éric Araujo writes:
> Le 25/09/2010 10:20, anatoly techtonik a écrit :
> > Python ML are:
> > 1. require dedicated admin to update, who is not a member of the group
> > 2. don't have search
> > 3. don't have optional thread subscription
> > That's already enough to seek better platform for c
On Sep 27, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Éric Araujo wrote:
>> Because Yet Another Mailing List doesn't solve the problem.
>> If you need one - go Google Groups like packaging folks did.
>> Python ML are:
>> 1. require dedicated admin to update, who is not a member of the
>> group 2. don't have search
>> 3.
Hello
Le 25/09/2010 10:20, anatoly techtonik a écrit :
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> That's a good point actually... why *isn't* there a pydotorg-wiki-sig?
>> (Aside from the obvious point of nobody ever asking for one).
>
> Because Yet Another Mailing List doesn't so
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:31 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
>> * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
>
> I've added a element to the top page of
> wiki.python.org, so browsers will now jump to the /moin/ page
> immediate
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 03:53:58PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote:
> * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
I've added a element to the top page of
wiki.python.org, so browsers will now jump to the /moin/ page
immediately. This won't help crawlers that don't parse the HTML, but
that
On 9/26/2010 11:45 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:56:20 -0400, Scott Dial
> wrote:
>> On 9/26/2010 3:12 AM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:
>>> Preventing the browser from prompting the user on the chance they
>>> might want to enter an OpenID is not possible, and stopping to use
>>>
> No, Martin really meant "not possible": once basic auth is started,
> the browser prompts for username and password and you are in basic-auth
> land thereafter; the web server has *no way* to tell the browser to
> *stop* using basic auth.
Yes, but Scott proposed that OpenID users might fill in t
On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:56:20 -0400, Scott Dial
wrote:
> On 9/26/2010 3:12 AM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:
> > Preventing the browser from prompting the user on the chance they
> > might want to enter an OpenID is not possible, and stopping to use
> > basic authentication is not feasible.
>
> In theo
On 9/26/2010 3:12 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>> 2) The URL registered with the OpenID provider is a bit of a wart:
>> "http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid_return"; vs.
>> "http://bitbucket.org/";
>
> You mean, as this is what the provider then shows you for confirmation?
The provider als
On 9/26/2010 10:25 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> I've been talking about redirecting all the time, haven't I?
>
> You said "put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own". That seemed to
> suggest it won't be anymore at wiki.python.org/jython.
>
>> * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/
> I've been talking about redirecting all the time, haven't I?
You said "put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own". That seemed to
suggest it won't be anymore at wiki.python.org/jython.
> * redirect from wiki.python.org to wiki.python.org/moin
>
> * (optionally) redirect from wiki.jython.org to
Am 26.09.2010 14:59, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
> Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, "Martin v. Löwis"
>> wrote:
>>> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
>>
>> Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a chang
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:59 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, "Martin v. Löwis"
>> wrote:
>>> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
>>
>> Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, j
Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan:
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
>
> Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a change to
> have the URL when you land *directly* on wiki.pytho
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:20 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> My advice - subscribe people editing page by default (a checkbox near
> submit button). This way more people will receive notifications when a
> page is changed and will be more interested to contribute themselves.
> Of course, there must
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a change to
have the URL when you land *directly* on wiki.python.org automatically
rewritten to resolve to wiki.pyt
> 1) Registering via OpenID is a bit clumsy since there is a "Register"
> link that does not mention OpenID.
Thanks. Fixed.
> 2) The URL registered with the OpenID provider is a bit of a wart:
> "http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=openid_return"; vs.
> "http://bitbucket.org/";
You mean, as
On 9/25/2010 5:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>> Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login
>> process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect
>> that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually
>> turns more people away than any other regis
Am 26.09.2010 00:48, schrieb Georg Brandl:
> Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>>> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
>>> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
>>
>> But that can't work: then off-site links into either
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
>> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
>> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
>
> But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Why -- they can be redirected easi
> Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython
> wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not).
But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break.
Regards,
Martin
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>> As we're now seeing, people don't feel that it's acceptable to
>> publish the subscribers list,
Michael> To be fair, quite a few people said they thought it was fine /
Michael> a good thing. A couple (maybe 3?) said that as the list was
Michael> originally advertised with
Am 25.09.2010 23:43, schrieb "Martin v. Löwis":
For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on
wiki.python.org
While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
contributors immedi
>>> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
>>> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
>>> my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
>>> contributors immediately providing instruments to work with Python
>>> wiki.
> Unfortunately, most sites using OpenID seem have an awkward login
> process. Maybe it's just me (I don't use OpenID much) but I expect
> that without a lot more handholding of new users, OpenID actually
> turns more people away than any other registration/login process.
So how do you like the Op
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Paul Boddie wrote:
> Guido van Rossum wrote:
>> Also, I gotta say that the wiki login process is awkward.
>
> MoinMoin supports OpenID, although I did find and report issues with Moin 1.9
> in this regard. Something on my now-huge list of things to do is to make M
Am 25.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Paul Boddie:
> Georg Brandl wrote:
>> Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
>> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> >> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems?
>> >> Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we c
On 25/09/2010 20:12, Paul Boddie wrote:
[snip...]
Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Michael Foord
wrote:
Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance
topics, on the pydotorg-www mailing list:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-
Hello,
I've been following this thread all week at work, but I thought it might be
time to respond to the different remarks in a single response, given that I
am involved in editing and maintaining the Wiki on python.org, and I had a
strong enough opinion about such things to give a talk about
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb David Stanek:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik
> wrote:
>>
>> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
>> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
>> my vision that it should be instea
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>
> For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org
> While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki,
> my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing
> contributors immediately
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Michael Foord
wrote:
>
> More wiki and website maintainers needed!
That's the consequence. You need to seek the reason why there are no
maintainers or active members on pydotorg-www lists. I've expressed my
thoughts earlier.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Stev
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>>
>> Antoine> Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
>> Antoine> contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
>> Antoine> to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
>>
>> It would be nice
There actually is an admin team, and they actually do set ACLs.
>>>
>>> Who are they?
>>
>> I don't actually know entirely; at a minimum, Skip Montanaro.
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Michael Foord
wrote:
> Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance
> topics, o
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Michael Foord
wrote:
> Wiki maintenance is discussed, along with other python.org maintenance
> topics, on the pydotorg-www mailing list:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
>
> More wiki and website maintainers needed!
We could probably adver
On 24/09/2010 06:46, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
Am 24.09.2010 00:39, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
flag certain parts of the wiki as "official" by making them only
editable
Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>
>> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir
>> has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme
>> more visually appealing. What
Am 24.09.2010 00:39, schrieb Guido van Rossum:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>>> With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
>>> flag certain parts of the wiki as "official" by making them only
>>> editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, on
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 01:57:19 am Barry Warsaw wrote:
> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems?
> Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the
> Python wiki theme more visually appealing. What roadblocks do people
> encounter when they want to help
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote:
>> With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
>> flag certain parts of the wiki as "official" by making them only
>> editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only
>> the wiki admins). But ke
> With an admin team behind it, you can also make more use of ACLs to
> flag certain parts of the wiki as "official" by making them only
> editable by certain people (e.g. only devs, only the triage team, only
> the wiki admins). But keeping those user lists up to date is itself
> something that re
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:52 AM, wrote:
>
> Antoine> Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
> Antoine> contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
> Antoine> to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
>
> It would be nice if you could actua
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
> I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir
> has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme
> more visually appealing. What roadblocks do people encounter when they want
> to he
Antoine> Given that few or none of us seem to (want to) actively
Antoine> contribute to the wiki, I'm afraid python-dev is not the place
Antoine> to ask. Perhaps a call should be issued on c.l.py ...
It would be nice if you could actually send messages to the people who do
actually u
Antoine> The present Python wiki isn't very inviting graphically, and
Antoine> its structure doesn't look very thought out.
I imagine it can be made to look more like the rest of python.org without a
lot of trouble. As to the structure, like most wikis it quickly resembles a
bag-o-pages
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:57:19 -0400
Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Sep 23, 2010, at 05:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>
> >I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan
> >pointed out, a wiki needs some "gardening" to take care of its
> >structure and its presentation. The present Py
On Sep 23, 2010, at 05:32 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
>I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan
>pointed out, a wiki needs some "gardening" to take care of its
>structure and its presentation. The present Python wiki isn't very
>inviting graphically, and its structure does
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:53:55 -0400
Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
> Of course, if the consensus is that wikis are just a waste of time and do more
> harm than good, then we should shut ours down. (I don't agree it is though.)
I don't think they are a waste of time. However, as you and Dirkjan
pointed ou
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