Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
Georg Brandl wrote: Nick Coghlan schrieb: 2. Method lookup MAY bypass __getattribute__, shadowing the attribute in the instance dictionary MAY have ill effects. (slots such as __enter__ and __exit__ that are looked up via normal attribute lookup in CPython will fit into this category) I

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-13 Thread Walter Dörwald
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-12 16:59, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: .transform() and .untransform() use the codecs to apply same-type conversions. They do apply type checks to make sure that the codec does indeed return the same type. E.g. text.transform('xml-escape') or

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-13 Thread Michael Foord
Guido van Rossum wrote: [Barry] http://bugs.python.org/issue643841 [Guido] I've added a comment. Let me know if anything I said is unclear. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bugtracker seems to be offline atm - I'll reply

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-13 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-06-13 11:32, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-12 16:59, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: .transform() and .untransform() use the codecs to apply same-type conversions. They do apply type checks to make sure that the codec does indeed return the same

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-13 Thread Walter Dörwald
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-13 11:32, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-12 16:59, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: .transform() and .untransform() use the codecs to apply same-type conversions. They do apply type checks to make sure that the codec does

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-13 Thread Walter Dörwald
Walter Dörwald wrote: [...] Sure, we could do that, but please use a different name, e.g. .encodeall() and .decodeall() - .encode() and .decode() are already stateles (and so would the new methods be), so stateless isn't all that meaningful in this context. I like the names

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this morning. I'll try

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Guido van Rossum
[Barry] http://bugs.python.org/issue643841 [Guido] I've added a comment. Let me know if anything I said is unclear. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bugtracker seems to be offline atm - I'll reply there once I can get to it again (as well as

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Michael Foord
Guido van Rossum wrote: [Barry] http://bugs.python.org/issue643841 [Guido] I've added a comment. Let me know if anything I said is unclear. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bugtracker seems to be offline atm - I'll reply

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
Guido van Rossum wrote: [Barry] http://bugs.python.org/issue643841 [Guido] I've added a comment. Let me know if anything I said is unclear. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bugtracker seems to be offline atm - I'll reply there once I can get to it

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Nick Coghlan
Michael Foord wrote: Guido van Rossum wrote: Whether they'll care about this issue of course depends on whether they need overloaded operators and other special delegations to be delegated transparently. We'll have to see how important this is. New-style classes have been around and recommended

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Walter Dörwald
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-11 17:15, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-11 13:35, Barry Warsaw wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-06-12 16:59, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: .transform() and .untransform() use the codecs to apply same-type conversions. They do apply type checks to make sure that the codec does indeed return the same type. E.g. text.transform('xml-escape') or data.transform('base64').

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-12 Thread Jim Jewett
On 6/12/08, Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: documentation patch for the language reference ... following categories: ... 2. Method lookup MAY bypass __getattribute__, shadowing the attribute in the instance dictionary MAY have ill effects. (slots such as __enter__ and __exit__ that

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-06-11 13:35, Barry Warsaw wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this morning. I'll try to find some time during the day to look at the RB

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Walter Dörwald
M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-11 13:35, Barry Warsaw wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this morning. I'll try to find some time during the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Georg Brandl
M.-A. Lemburg schrieb: On 2008-06-11 13:35, Barry Warsaw wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this morning. I'll try to find some time during the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 2008-06-11 17:15, Walter Dörwald wrote: M.-A. Lemburg wrote: On 2008-06-11 13:35, Barry Warsaw wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch of severe thunderstorms knock out my 'net access until this morning. I'll try to find some time

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:32 AM, M.-A. Lemburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two things I'd like to get in to 3.0: * .transform()/.untransform() methods (this is mostly done, just need to add the methods to PyUnicode, PyBytes and PyByteArray) I'm +0 on this. It is very minor syntactic

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I had planned to do a bunch of work last night looking at the release blocker issues, but nature intervened. A bunch

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My plan is to begin building the betas tonight, at around 9 or 10pm EDT (0100 to 0200 UTC Thursday). If a showstopper comes up before then, I'll email the list. If you think we really aren't ready for beta, then I would

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My plan is to begin building the betas tonight, at around 9 or 10pm EDT (0100 to 0200 UTC Thursday). If a

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: I have two release blockers pending review: http://bugs.python.org/issue2918 http://bugs.python.org/issue2917 I believe both patches are ready to be committed to

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Betas today - I hope

2008-06-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Alexandre Vassalotti wrote: I have two release blockers pending review: