Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-05 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 5 May 2018 01:43:00 +1000 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 06:31:03PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > No one is saying people can't be upset and if you are ever upset there's > > something wrong; we're human beings after all. But those of us speaking

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-04 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 06:31:03PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > .. > I'm not defending Ivan's initial email. His tantrum *was* annoying, > unreasonable, and unfair to those who do care about tkinter. He could > have

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-04 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, 4 May 2018 at 09:07 Guido van Rossum wrote: > Thank you Steven! I assume that Brian hadn't seen my response (such > crossed messages due to delivery delays are very common in this mailing > list). > > I'd like to use your email (nearly) verbatim to start off the

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-04 Thread Steve Holden
On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 06:31:03PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > No one is saying people can't be upset and if you are ever upset there's > > something wrong; we're human beings after all. But those of us speaking >

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 09:04:20AM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Thank you Steven! I assume that Brian hadn't seen my response (such crossed > messages due to delivery delays are very common in this mailing list). > > I'd like to use your email (nearly) verbatim to start off the discussion >

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-04 Thread Guido van Rossum
Thank you Steven! I assume that Brian hadn't seen my response (such crossed messages due to delivery delays are very common in this mailing list). I'd like to use your email (nearly) verbatim to start off the discussion about civility we're going to have at the Language Summit. On Fri, May 4,

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

2018-05-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 06:31:03PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > No one is saying people can't be upset and if you are ever upset there's > something wrong; we're human beings after all. But those of us speaking up > about the tone are saying that you can also wait until you're not so upset > to