Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Thompson
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 5:42 am, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Phil Thompson schrieb: > > 1. Don't suggest to people that, in order to get their patch reviewed, > > they should review other patches. The level of knowledge required to put > > together a patch is much less than that required to know if a

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Thompson
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 5:49 am, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Phil Thompson schrieb: > > I'm not sure what your point is. My point is that, if you want to > > encourage people to become core developers, they have to have a method of > > graduating through the ranks - learning (and being taught) as the

Re: [Python-Dev] locals(), closures, and IronPython...

2007-03-06 Thread Andrew Dalke
On 3/5/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know too many good use cases for > locals() apart from "learning about the implementation" I think this > might be okay. Since I'm watching this list for any discussion on the traceback threads, I figured I would point out the most c

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Thompson
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 6:00 am, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Phil Thompson schrieb: > >>> Any ideas for fixing this problem? > >> > >> A better patch-tracker, better procedures for reviewing patches > >> surounding this new tracker, one or more proper dvcs's for people to > >> work off of. I'm not su

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Neal Norwitz
On 3/6/07, Phil Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 06 March 2007 5:49 am, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > > Phil Thompson schrieb: > > > I'm not sure what your point is. My point is that, if you want to > > > encourage people to become core developers, they have to have a method of > > > gra

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Thompson
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 6:15 am, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > [Phil Thompson] > > > I think a lot of people care, but many can't > > do anything about because the barrier to entry is too great. > > Do you mean commit priviledges? ISTM, those tend to be > handed out readily to people who assert that

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Stephen J. Turnbull schrieb: > An informal version of this process is how XEmacs identifies its > Reviewers (the title we give to those privileged to authorize commits > to all parts of XEmacs). People who care enough to make technical > comments on *others'* patches are rare, and we grab the comp

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Thomas Wouters
On 3/6/07, Neil Schemenauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Using git-svn to track a SVN repository seems to work well. I'm not interested in setting up GIT myself, mostly because it doesn't solve any issues that other dvcs' don't solve, the on-disk repository is mighty big and it doesn't work ver

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Thomas Wouters
On 3/6/07, Raymond Hettinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [MvL] >> While submitting patches is good, there's a lot more to it than just >> submitting the 5-line code change to submit a bug/feature, and reviewing >> takes a lot of time and effort. That was incorrectly attributed; it was me, not

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phil Thompson schrieb: >>> 2. Publically identify the core developers and their areas of expertise >>> and responsibility (ie. which parts of the source tree they "own"). >> I doubt this will help. Much of the code isn't owned by anybody >> specifically. Those parts that are owned typically find t

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phil Thompson schrieb: >> And please be assured that no such obstacle is in the submitters way. >> Most patches are accepted without the submitter actually reviewing any >> other patches. > > I'm glad to hear it - but I'm talking about the perception, not the fact. > When > occasionally submitte

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phil Thompson schrieb: >>> Of course it's not unreasonable. I would expect to be told that a patch >>> must have tests and docs before it will be finally accepted. However, >>> before I add those things to the patch I would like some timely feedback >>> from those with more experience that my patch

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phil Thompson schrieb: > My point is simply that the effort required to review patches seems to be a > problem. Perhaps the reasons for that need to be looked at and the process > changed so that it is more effective. At the moment people just seem be > saying "that's the way it is because that'

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Phil Thompson writes: > MvL wrote: > > I doubt this will help. Much of the code isn't owned by anybody > > specifically. Those parts that are owned typically find their patches > > reviewed and committed quickly (e.g. the tar file module, maintained by > > Lars Gustäbel). > Doesn't your la

Re: [Python-Dev] Access to bits for a PyLongObject

2007-03-06 Thread Nick Maclaren
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric V. Smith schrieb: > > I'm working on PEP 3101, Advanced String Formatting. About the only > > built-in numeric formatting I have left to do is for converting a > > PyLongOjbect to binary. > > > > I need to know how to a

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
"Martin v. Löwis" writes: > Stephen J. Turnbull schrieb: > > Second, where the stdlib module is closely bound to the core, the > > maintainer ends up being the group of core developers. It can't be > > any other way, it seems to me. > > It might be that individuals get designated maintain

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Moore
On 06/03/07, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Scott Dial schrieb: > > While I understand that this tit-for-tat mechanism is meant to ensure > > participation, I believe in reality it doesn't, as the 400-some > > outstanding patches you referenced elswhere indicate. I can personally >

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Paul Moore schrieb: >> Scott Dial schrieb: >>> While I understand that this tit-for-tat mechanism is meant to ensure >>> participation, I believe in reality it doesn't, as the 400-some >>> outstanding patches you referenced elswhere indicate. I can personally >>> attest to having a patch that is ov

[Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
#1115886 complains that in the file name '.cshrc', the entire file name is treated as an extension, with no root. #1462106 contains a patch for that, changing the behavior so that there will always be a root file name (and no extension if the file is just a dotfile). Should this be changed? Opini

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Johann C. Rocholl
On 3/6/07, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #1115886 complains that in the file name '.cshrc', the > entire file name is treated as an extension, with no > root. > > #1462106 contains a patch for that, changing the behavior > so that there will always be a root file name (and no > ext

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 01:36:03PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > #1115886 complains that in the file name '.cshrc', the > entire file name is treated as an extension, with no > root. > > #1462106 contains a patch for that, changing the behavior > so that there will always be a root file name (

Re: [Python-Dev] locals(), closures, and IronPython...

2007-03-06 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 3/5/07, Dino Viehland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Guido. It might take some time (and someone may very well beat me to > it if they care a lot) but I'll see if we can get the PEP started. Dino, One of the questions I was puzzling over was what locals() should return in a class scope.

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: > #1115886 complains that in the file name '.cshrc', the > entire file name is treated as an extension, with no > root. > > #1462106 contains a patch for that, changing the behavior > so that there will always be a root file name (and no > extension if the file is just a d

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Raymond Hettinger schrieb: > [Phil Thompson] >> I think a lot of people care, but many can't >> do anything about because the barrier to entry is too great. > > Do you mean commit priviledges? ISTM, those tend to be > handed out readily to people who assert that they have good use for them. > As

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Jeremy Hylton
On 3/6/07, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raymond Hettinger schrieb: > > [Phil Thompson] > >> I think a lot of people care, but many can't > >> do anything about because the barrier to entry is too great. > > > > Do you mean commit priviledges? ISTM, those tend to be > > handed out read

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Hans Meine
Am Dienstag, 06. März 2007 13:36 schrieb Martin v. Löwis: > #1115886 complains that in the file name '.cshrc', the > entire file name is treated as an extension, with no > root. > > #1462106 contains a patch for that, changing the behavior > so that there will always be a root file name (and no > e

Re: [Python-Dev] Access to bits for a PyLongObject

2007-03-06 Thread Eric V. Smith
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Eric V. Smith schrieb: >> I'm working on PEP 3101, Advanced String Formatting. About the only >> built-in numeric formatting I have left to do is for converting a >> PyLongOjbect to binary. >> >> I need to know how to access the bits in a PyLong. > > I think it would

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Phil Thompson
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 1:42 pm, Jeremy Hylton wrote: > On 3/6/07, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Raymond Hettinger schrieb: > > > [Phil Thompson] > > > > > >> I think a lot of people care, but many can't > > >> do anything about because the barrier to entry is too great. > > > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 02:44:52PM +0100, Hans Meine wrote: > a leading dot does not start an > extension, but marks a file as "hidden". The latter is on UNIX, and while On Unix - I mean in the OS itself - there are no such things as "roots", "extensions" and "hidden files". All these are on

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Fuzzyman
Oleg Broytmann wrote: >[snip..] > >>this is different on Windows, I cannot imagine that anyone would >>a) have dotfiles under that OS >> >> > > > It is very common for cross platform programs to create configuration files which are dotfiles, whichever OS they are running on. Michael Foord

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Neil Schemenauer
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 10:26:50AM +0100, Thomas Wouters wrote: > I'm not interested in setting up GIT myself, mostly because it > doesn't solve any issues that other dvcs' don't solve dvcs wars are the new editor wars. :-) > the on-disk repository is mighty big and it doesn't work very well > on

[Python-Dev] Patch 1644818: Allow importing built-in submodules

2007-03-06 Thread Miguel Lobo
Hi list, A month and a half ago, I submitted patch 1644818 to the CPython Patch Tracker: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=305470&aid=1644818&group_id=5470 On several occassions I have been advised to mention the patch in this list, so here it is: The problem: Importing built-i

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Nick Coghlan
Georg Brandl wrote: > As far as I recall, there has been nearly no one who asked for commit rights > recently, so why complain that the entry barrier is too great? Surely you > cannot expect python-dev to got out and say "would you like to have commit > privileges?"... I think the number one sugge

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:06:22AM +, Phil Thompson wrote: > My point is simply that the effort required to review patches seems to be a > problem. Perhaps the reasons for that need to be looked at and the process > changed so that it is more effective. At the moment people just seem be > sa

Re: [Python-Dev] SVK (was: Encouraging developers)

2007-03-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 07:59:53AM +0100, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > development easier for them. They can already do this using SVK, > which is a distributed version control system as well but uses SVN > repositories to store its data. I'm happy to write up a wiki page describing how to use SV

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Oleg Broytmann schrieb: >> Should this be changed? Opinions? > >Yes. In .pythonrc.py .pythonrc is the root, and .py is the extension. Ah, it would do that already: with multiple dots, the last one always provides the extension. However, for .pythonrc, it would conclude that .pythonrc is the e

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:00:01PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > >Yes. In .pythonrc.py .pythonrc is the root, and .py is the extension. > > Ah, it would do that already: with multiple dots, the last one always > provides the extension. Ah, sorry. I messed it with .split(). Oleg. --

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Jeremy Hylton schrieb: > You can ask whether we should have a plan for increasing the number of > developers, actively seeking out new developers, and mentoring people > who express interest. Would the code be better if we had more good > developers working on it? Would we get more bugs fixed and

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Oleg Broytmann schrieb: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:00:01PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: >>>Yes. In .pythonrc.py .pythonrc is the root, and .py is the extension. >> Ah, it would do that already: with multiple dots, the last one always >> provides the extension. > >Ah, sorry. I messed i

Re: [Python-Dev] git (Was: Encouraging developers)

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Neil Schemenauer schrieb: >> the on-disk repository is mighty big and it doesn't work very well >> on non-Linux systems (at least, not last I looked.) > > Not true. The on-disk repository is now one of the more efficient > ones. Which is a relative quality :-) Every time I update the Linux ke

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Nick Coghlan schrieb: > One thing that did happen though (which the messages from Jeremy & Phil > reminded me of) is that I got a lot of direction, advice and assistance > from Raymond when I was doing that initial work on improving the speed > of the decimal module - I had the time available to

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:07:16PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > Oleg Broytmann schrieb: > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:00:01PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > >>>Yes. In .pythonrc.py .pythonrc is the root, and .py is the extension. > >> Ah, it would do that already: with multiple dots, t

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
A.M. Kuchling schrieb: > For example, our oldest bug is http://www.python.org/sf/214033, opened > 2000-09-11, and is that (x?)? is reported as an error by the SRE regex > parser; the PCRE engine and Perl both accept it. Fixing it requires > changing sre_parse, figuring out what to do (should it b

Re: [Python-Dev] SVK

2007-03-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:53:35AM -0500, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > initial setup seems very slow: SVK is retrieving each of 54165 > revisions and it'll probably take over an hour to complete. It's even worse than that. Retrying with the trunk, SVK synced 500 revisions in about 10 minutes. We have

Re: [Python-Dev] Access to bits for a PyLongObject

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Eric V. Smith schrieb: > Also, it would either mean duplicating lots of code from the int > formatter, or having a formatter library that both can call. This is > because __format__ must implement all formats, including padding, > parenthesis for negatives, etc., not just the "missing" binary form

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Oleg Broytmann schrieb: os.path.splitext(".pythonrc") > ('', '.pythonrc') > >and I think it should be > > ('.pythonrc', '') Thanks, so it sounds like the patch should be accepted. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch 1644818: Allow importing built-in submodules

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Miguel Lobo schrieb: > As I am completely new to CPython development, perhaps this problem has > already been discussed and/or fixed I may have done something > incorrectly. Please let me know if that is the case. I looked at it briefly. If I understand correctly, the proposed feature is fine,

Re: [Python-Dev] SVK

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
A.M. Kuchling schrieb: > I'm happy to write up a wiki page describing how to use SVK to set up > your own mirror of the Python SVN. However, trying it now, the > initial setup seems very slow: SVK is retrieving each of 54165 > revisions and it'll probably take over an hour to complete. If it help

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Martin v. Löwis schrieb: > Nick Coghlan schrieb: >> One thing that did happen though (which the messages from Jeremy & Phil >> reminded me of) is that I got a lot of direction, advice and assistance >> from Raymond when I was doing that initial work on improving the speed >> of the decimal modul

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 04:07 PM 3/6/2007 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >Oleg Broytmann schrieb: > > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:00:01PM +0100, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > >>>Yes. In .pythonrc.py .pythonrc is the root, and .py is the extension. > >> Ah, it would do that already: with multiple dots, the last one alway

Re: [Python-Dev] locals(), closures, and IronPython...

2007-03-06 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007, Andrew Dalke wrote: > On 3/5/07, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I don't know too many good use cases for >> locals() apart from "learning about the implementation" I think this >> might be okay. > > Since I'm watching this list for any discussion on the tra

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Aahz
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007, Phillip J. Eby wrote: > At 04:07 PM 3/6/2007 +0100, Martin v. L?wis wrote: >> >>Ok - now I'm confused: do you consider this behavior >>(splitext('.pythonrc') == ('', '.pythonrc')) correct >>or not? > > I consider it correct, or at the least, don't think it should be changed,

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Georg Brandl
A.M. Kuchling schrieb: > On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:06:22AM +, Phil Thompson wrote: >> My point is simply that the effort required to review patches seems to be a >> problem. Perhaps the reasons for that need to be looked at and the process >> changed so that it is more effective. At the mome

Re: [Python-Dev] SVK

2007-03-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> (Of course, I don't know how long a checkout of a hypothetical Bazaar >> repository would take; maybe it's not any faster.) > > From my experience with git and the Linux repository, an hour is >

[Python-Dev] Subversion checkout hanging?

2007-03-06 Thread Nicholas Bastin
I've had to blast my windows machine, as one is apparently required to do on occasion, and I'm trying to set up subversion again. I saved my private key file, and I can use plink -T to connect and I get: ( success ( 1 2 ( ANONYMOUS EXTERNAL ) ( edit-pipeline ) ) ) and that seems correct, and jiv

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
George Brandl writes: >> As far as I recall, there has been nearly no one who asked for >> commit rights recently, so why complain that the entry barrier is >> too great? Surely you cannot expect python-dev to got out and say >> "would you like to have commit privileges?"... Why not? It depe

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Ilya Sandler
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Hans Meine wrote: > Am Dienstag, 06. M?rz 2007 13:36 schrieb Martin v. L?wis: > > #1115886 complains that in the file name '.cshrc', the > > entire file name is treated as an extension, with no > > root. > > The current behavior is clearly a bug, since a leading dot does not

Re: [Python-Dev] locals(), closures, and IronPython...

2007-03-06 Thread Dino Viehland
The lifetime issue is bad - unfortunately we have the same issue in v1.x we just don't show you the names/values. That alone should (and hopefully will) drive us to clean this up but right now we'll only be worse in that we are explicit about keeping the dictionaries alive. Classes are interes

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Oleg Broytmann
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 08:49:00AM -0800, Ilya Sandler wrote: > I think it's reasonable to expect that > > splitext( a+"." + b) == (a, .b ) > > for any a,b which have no dots in them... Except for an empty 'a', in what case 'b' is the name, not the extension. Well, 'a' cannot be empty because

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread dustin
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:50:25AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Why not? It depends on how far out "out" is, but I was surprised how > much effect we (at XEmacs) got by simply asking people who contributed > a couple of patches if they would like to take on tracking + patch > flow managemen

Re: [Python-Dev] PCBuild8

2007-03-06 Thread Gustavo Tabares
I ran into the same problem and I'm pretty sure this cleared it up: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-August/068369.html Good luck, Gustavo On 3/5/07, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew MacKeith schrieb: > Is there a scheduled date for the release of Python-2

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Tim Lesher
On 3/6/07, Hans Meine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The current behavior is clearly a bug, since a leading dot does not start an > extension, but marks a file as "hidden". The latter is on UNIX, and while > this is different on Windows, I cannot imagine that anyone would > a) have dotfiles under th

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Ilya Sandler
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, [ISO-8859-1] "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > Yet, in all these years, nobody else commented that the patch was incomplete, > let alone commenting on whether the feature was desirable. Which actually brings up another point: in many cases even a simple comment by a core developer

Re: [Python-Dev] Subversion checkout hanging?

2007-03-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Nicholas Bastin schrieb: > I've had to blast my windows machine, as one is apparently required to > do on occasion, and I'm trying to set up subversion again. I saved my > private key file, and I can use plink -T to connect and I get: > > ( success ( 1 2 ( ANONYMOUS EXTERNAL ) ( edit-pipeline ) )

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phillip J. Eby schrieb: > I consider it correct, or at the least, don't think it should be > changed, as it would make the behavior more difficult to reason about > and introduce yet another thing to worry about when writing > cross-version code. Now it's becoming difficult: several people in f

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ilya Sandler schrieb: > I'd also suggest that request for test cases/docs comes after > (or together with) suggestion that a feature is desirable in the first > place. It depends. I was going through some old patches today, and came across one that added a class to heapq. I couldn't tell (even aft

Re: [Python-Dev] Subversion checkout hanging?

2007-03-06 Thread Nicholas Bastin
On 3/6/07, Georg Brandl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could try to do > > ssh -vv [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and see if the debug messages mean anything to you. My problem is that SSH works fine if you just try to do that (well, with plink). It's subversion that doesn't seem to be working. -- Nick

Re: [Python-Dev] Subversion checkout hanging?

2007-03-06 Thread Nicholas Bastin
I've fixed it. It appears that there was something wrong with Pageant, and removing my key and readding it solved the problem. The lack of any debugging info from subversion was very helpful in solving this problem.. :-) Thanks for the help from those who responded. -- Nick

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 07:24 PM 3/6/2007 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >given a list of file names, classify them for display (the > way the Windows explorer works, and similar file managers). > They use MIME databases and the like, and if they are unix-ish, > they probably reject the current splitext imp

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Jason Orendorff
On 3/5/07, A.M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any ideas for fixing this problem? The current developer FAQ says: 2.4 How can I become a developer? There's only one way to become a developer, and that's through the School of Hard Knocks. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-de

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread skip
Nick> I don't know whether or not there is anything specific we can do Nick> to encourage that kind of coaching/mentoring activity, but I know Nick> it was a significant factor in my become more comfortable with Nick> making contributions. Martin> While there was no explicit m

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Nicholas Bastin
On 3/6/07, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:24 PM 3/6/2007 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: > >given a list of file names, classify them for display (the > > way the Windows explorer works, and similar file managers). > > They use MIME databases and the like, and if they are

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Terry Reedy
""Martin v. Löwis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >1. Public identification will not help, because: >2. most code isn't in the responsibility of anybody (so publically >identifying responsibilities would leave most code unassigned), and >3. for the code that has

[Python-Dev] Finding the python library binaries (and docs)

2007-03-06 Thread David Abrahams
I'm trying to find the Python library binaries associated with a given python executable. If I look at the help for sys.prefix and sys.exec_prefix import sys; help(sys) I see: prefix -- prefix used to find the Python library exec_prefix -- prefix used to find the machine-specific P

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 02:08 PM 3/6/2007 -0500, Nicholas Bastin wrote: >The notion of an unnamed file with an extension I think would be very >odd to most people. Clearly, we all think that "most" people are like ourselves. :) I think that for someone with a Windows/DOS background, that's *exactly* what .cshrc loo

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Johann C. Rocholl
On 3/6/07, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's *useful* to classify e.g. .svn directories or .*rc files by their > "extension" I respectfully disagree. When trying to find directories named .svn or files named .bashrc, I do >>> filename in ('.svn', '.bashrc') because I don't expect

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread skip
dustin> In summary, create a layer of volunteer, non-committing dustin> maintainers for specific modules who agree to do in-depth dustin> analysis of patches for their areas of expertise, and pass dustin> well-formed, reviewed patches along to committers. One problem with this sor

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread A.M. Kuchling
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 01:03:39PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could the Summer of Code be used as a vehicle to match up current developers > with potentially new ones? The svn sandbox (or a branch) could serve as a > place for developers to get their feet wet. Perhaps Raymond can comment on

Re: [Python-Dev] Subversion checkout hanging?

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Nicholas Bastin schrieb: > I've had to blast my windows machine, as one is apparently required to > do on occasion, and I'm trying to set up subversion again. I saved my > private key file, and I can use plink -T to connect and I get: > > ( success ( 1 2 ( ANONYMOUS EXTERNAL ) ( edit-pipeline ) )

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Terry Reedy
"Phillip J. Eby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >I consider it correct, or at the least, don't think it should be changed, >as it would make the behavior more difficult to reason about and introduce >yet another thing to worry about when writing cross-version code. W

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread dustin
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 01:51:41PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > dustin> In summary, create a layer of volunteer, non-committing > dustin> maintainers for specific modules who agree to do in-depth > dustin> analysis of patches for their areas of expertise, and pass > dustin>

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Ron Adam
Neal Norwitz wrote: > I recognize there is a big problem here. Each of us as individuals > don't scale. So in order to get stuff done we need to be more > distributed. This means distributing the workload (partially so we > don't burn out). In order to do that we need to distribute the > know

Re: [Python-Dev] Patch 1644818: Allow importing built-in submodules

2007-03-06 Thread Miguel Lobo
> As I am completely new to CPython development, perhaps this problem has > already been discussed and/or fixed I may have done something > incorrectly. Please let me know if that is the case. I looked at it briefly. If I understand correctly, the proposed feature is fine, but lacks a test case.

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Tim Golden
Terry Reedy wrote: > "Phillip J. Eby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> I consider it correct, or at the least, don't think it should be changed, >> as it would make the behavior more difficult to reason about and introduce >> yet another thing to worry about when wr

[Python-Dev] how can I review? [was: Encouraging developers]

2007-03-06 Thread Jim Jewett
The 5:1 patch review is a good idea -- but what is the procedure for reviewing a patch? I often comment on patches. Does this count as a review? Would anyone know if it did? If I were going through five at the same time, and I had a sixth to push, I could post here. Normally, I just make a com

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding socket timeout to urllib2

2007-03-06 Thread Facundo Batista
Guido van Rossum wrote: >> - I'll modify urlopen for it to accept a socket_timeout parameter, >> default to None > > I'd call it timeout. There can't really be much ambiguity can there? Yes and no. For example, if I do a ``urllib2.urlopen("ftp://ftp.myhome.com.ar/blah.txt";, timeout=10)``, the t

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phillip J. Eby schrieb: > I know I've written code like this that *depends* on the current > behavior. It's *useful* to classify e.g. .svn directories or .*rc files > by their "extension", so I'm honestly baffled by the idea of wanting to > treat such files as *not* having an extension (as oppo

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 02:55 PM 3/6/2007 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote: >"Phillip J. Eby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I consider it correct, or at the least, don't think it should be changed, > >as it would make the behavior more difficult to reason about and introduce > >yet another th

Re: [Python-Dev] Finding the python library binaries (and docs)

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
David Abrahams schrieb: > I'm trying to find the Python library binaries associated with a given > python executable. This really isn't a python-dev question; please use python-list (news:comp.lang.python) instead. Please take a look at sys.path. > 1. I think the documentation for sys and conf

Re: [Python-Dev] how can I review? [was: Encouraging developers]

2007-03-06 Thread skip
Jim> The 5:1 patch review is a good idea -- but what is the procedure Jim> for reviewing a patch? Jim> I often comment on patches. Does this count as a review? Would Jim> anyone know if it did? I believe "review" can mean a few things: * Comments. Reviewing the code does

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Larry Hastings
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Ok - now I'm confused: do you consider this behavior (splitext('.pythonrc') == ('', '.pythonrc')) correct or not? +1 on the behavior. However, the patch is special-casing a leading dot; it would still fail on splitext(".."). If we're gonna fix the bug, I'd rather

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding socket timeout to urllib2

2007-03-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 3/6/07, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote: > > >> - I'll modify urlopen for it to accept a socket_timeout parameter, > >> default to None > > > > I'd call it timeout. There can't really be much ambiguity can there? > > Yes and no. For example, if I do a > ``urll

Re: [Python-Dev] how can I review? [was: Encouraging developers]

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Jim Jewett schrieb: > The 5:1 patch review is a good idea -- but what is the procedure for > reviewing a patch? > > I often comment on patches. Does this count as a review? Sure. Ideally, a review should bring the patch to an "accept-or-reject" state, i.e. it should lead to a recommendation to

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Larry Hastings schrieb: > Hope this helps, Indeed it does! After all this discussion, a documentation clarification is certainly in order, but I can work that out myself. Thanks, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.pyt

Re: [Python-Dev] Finding the python library binaries (and docs)

2007-03-06 Thread David Abrahams
on Tue Mar 06 2007, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > David Abrahams schrieb: >> I'm trying to find the Python library binaries associated with a given >> python executable. > > This really isn't a python-dev question; please use python-list > (news:comp.lang.python) instead. I wrestled with the righ

Re: [Python-Dev] Encouraging developers

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Terry Reedy schrieb: > It would also be helpful if the new tracker system could produce a list of > module-specific open items sorted by module, since that would indicate > modules needing attention, and I could look for a batch that were > unassigned. The new tracker will initially have the sa

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 10:01 PM 3/6/2007 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >It's unfortunate, of course, that people apparently relied on >this behavior I was going to say it's the *documented* behavior, but I see that the documentation is actually such that it could be interpreted either way. However, since it's not d

Re: [Python-Dev] Finding the python library binaries (and docs)

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
David Abrahams schrieb: > on Tue Mar 06 2007, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> David Abrahams schrieb: >>> I'm trying to find the Python library binaries associated with a given >>> python executable. >> This really isn't a python-dev question; please use python-list >> (news:comp.lang.python) instead

Re: [Python-Dev] Python-3000 upgrade path

2007-03-06 Thread Guido van Rossum
On 3/5/07, Facundo Batista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas Wouters wrote: > > > developers and people who develop their own software. I would like to hear > > from people who have concrete doubts about this upgrade path. I don't mean > > Disclaimer: I'm not involved in Py3k, and not even tried

Re: [Python-Dev] splitext('.cshrc')

2007-03-06 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Phillip J. Eby schrieb: > At 10:01 PM 3/6/2007 +0100, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> It's unfortunate, of course, that people apparently relied on >> this behavior > > I was going to say it's the *documented* behavior, but I see that the > documentation is actually such that it could be interpreted ei

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