Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 15.02.2014 23:19, schrieb Paul Moore: On 13 February 2014 20:58, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 February 2014 20:54, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please take a look at

Re: [Python-Dev] CLA link from bugs.python.org

2014-02-16 Thread Ezio Melotti
Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Tim Delaney timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote: It appears there's no obvious link from bugs.python.org to the contributor agreement - you need to go via the unintuitive link

Re: [Python-Dev] CLA link from bugs.python.org

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 09:40, schrieb Ezio Melotti: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Tim Delaney timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote: It appears there's no obvious link from bugs.python.org to the contributor

Re: [Python-Dev] Using more specific methods in Python unit tests

2014-02-16 Thread Jeff Allen
On 16/02/2014 00:22, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 16 February 2014 09:20, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 1392492250.26338.83831085.39a5e...@webmail.messagingengine.com, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: Although

Re: [Python-Dev] Using more specific methods in Python unit tests

2014-02-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:12:33 +0200 Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote a large patch which modifies the tests to use more specific methods [1]. Because it is too large, it was divided into many smaller patches, and separate issues were opened for them. At the moment the

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Paul Moore
On 16 February 2014 08:19, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: As soon as a patch has been provided and tested, I will make a schedule for 3.3.5 including the fix. Until then, using 3.3.3 is probably the best solution. Fantastic - thanks for that. Paul

Re: [Python-Dev] Using more specific methods in Python unit tests

2014-02-16 Thread Mark Dickinson
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: The practical benefits of this kind of change in the test suite are also highly dubious, because they *only help if the test fails at some point in the future*. At that point, whoever caused the test to fail will switch

Re: [Python-Dev] Using more specific methods in Python unit tests

2014-02-16 Thread Stefan Behnel
Jeff Allen, 16.02.2014 11:23: I spend a *lot* of time working with the Python test suite on behalf of Jython, so I appreciate the care CPython puts into its testing. To a large extent, tests written for CPython drive Jython development: I suspect I work with a lot more failing tests than

Re: [Python-Dev] The desired behaviour for resolve() when the path doesn't exist

2014-02-16 Thread Vajrasky Kok
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: --canonicalize is not strict. --canonicalize-existing is most strict and --canonicalize-missing is least strict. When you have a function which have non-strict behavior (--canonicalize), you can implement a wrapper with

Re: [Python-Dev] CLA link from bugs.python.org

2014-02-16 Thread Ezio Melotti
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 16.02.2014 09:40, schrieb Ezio Melotti: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Ezio Melotti ezio.melo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Tim Delaney timothy.c.dela...@gmail.com wrote: It appears

[Python-Dev] pootle.python.org is down

2014-02-16 Thread A.M. Kuchling
I came across http://bugs.python.org/issue13663, which is about a pootle.python.org installation. http://pootle.python.org/ currently returns a 500. Are we still using Pootle, or should I just close #13663? (Maybe the installation got broken in the move to OSL and then forgotten?) --amk

Re: [Python-Dev] pootle.python.org is down

2014-02-16 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 06:52 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: I came across http://bugs.python.org/issue13663, which is about a pootle.python.org installation. http://pootle.python.org/ currently returns a 500. Are we still using Pootle, or should I just close #13663? (Maybe the installation got

Re: [Python-Dev] pootle.python.org is down

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 16:32, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 06:52 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: I came across http://bugs.python.org/issue13663, which is about a pootle.python.org installation. http://pootle.python.org/ currently returns a 500. Are we still using Pootle, or should I

[Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Larry Hastings
Let's begin with a status update of The Great Argument Clinic Conversion Derby. In retrospect, the Derby was way too ambitious. Once it started I was quickly overwhelmed. Even doing nothing but Derby work, all day every day for two straight weeks, I couldn't keep up with all the bug

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
16.02.14 10:19, Georg Brandl написав(ла): As soon as a patch has been provided and tested, I will make a schedule for 3.3.5 including the fix. Until then, using 3.3.3 is probably the best solution. Then could you please include the fix for #20538 (this bug allows easily crash Python e.g. by

Re: [Python-Dev] Add Py_REPLACE and Py_XREPLACE macros

2014-02-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
16.02.14 02:05, Nick Coghlan написав(ла): It's also likely than many of these crashes could only be reproduced through incorrect usage of the C API. Rather through queer or malicious usage of Python classes with strange code in __del__. For example: Py_CLEAR_AND_SET

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Terry Reedy
On 2/16/2014 2:52 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 16.02.14 10:19, Georg Brandl написав(ла): As soon as a patch has been provided and tested, I will make a schedule for 3.3.5 including the fix. Until then, using 3.3.3 is probably the best solution. Then could you please include the fix for #20538

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Serhiy Storchaka
16.02.14 20:31, Larry Hastings написав(ла): So here we are in the release candidate period for 3.4, and we still have all these unmerged Derby patches. And it's simply too late in the release cycle to merge them for 3.4.0. Here's how I propose we move forward. Your plan LGTM (except one

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Larry Hastings
On 02/16/2014 12:36 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 16.02.14 20:31, Larry Hastings написав(ла): 4) We accelerate the schedule for 3.4.1 slightly, so we can get these new signatures into the hands of users sooner. Specifically, I propose we ship 3.4.1 two months after 3.4.0. I figure we would

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:31:21 -0800 Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org wrote: Here's how I propose we move forward. 1) We merge the Derby patch for the builtins module into 3.4, simply because it will demo well. This still brings potential unstability during the rc phase, so I'd prefer this

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible major bug with zipimport on Windows in Python 3.3.4

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 21:14, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 2/16/2014 2:52 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 16.02.14 10:19, Georg Brandl написав(ла): As soon as a patch has been provided and tested, I will make a schedule for 3.3.5 including the fix. Until then, using 3.3.3 is probably the best solution. Then

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 22:27, schrieb Larry Hastings: On 02/16/2014 12:36 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 16.02.14 20:31, Larry Hastings написав(ла): 4) We accelerate the schedule for 3.4.1 slightly, so we can get these new signatures into the hands of users sooner. Specifically, I propose we ship 3.4.1

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Greg Ewing
Larry Hastings wrote: 3) We hold off on merging the rest of the Derby patches until after 3.4.0 final ships, then we merge them into the 3.4 maintenance branch so they go into 3.4.1. But wouldn't that be introducing a new feature into a maintenance release? (I.e. some functions that didn't

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Doc: do not rely on checked-out Sphinx toolchain from svn.python.org anymore

2014-02-16 Thread Ned Deily
In article 3frhkw2rdjz7...@mail.python.org, georg.brandl python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/eef7899ea7ab changeset: 89212:eef7899ea7ab user:Georg Brandl ge...@python.org date:Sun Feb 16 09:46:36 2014 +0100 summary: Doc: do not rely on

Re: [Python-Dev] cpython: Doc: do not rely on checked-out Sphinx toolchain from svn.python.org anymore

2014-02-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.02.2014 23:46, schrieb Ned Deily: In article 3frhkw2rdjz7...@mail.python.org, georg.brandl python-check...@python.org wrote: http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/eef7899ea7ab changeset: 89212:eef7899ea7ab user:Georg Brandl ge...@python.org date:Sun Feb 16 09:46:36 2014

Re: [Python-Dev] pootle.python.org is down

2014-02-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 17 Feb 2014 02:20, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Am 16.02.2014 16:32, schrieb Benjamin Peterson: On Sun, Feb 16, 2014, at 06:52 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: I came across http://bugs.python.org/issue13663, which is about a pootle.python.org installation. http://pootle.python.org/

[Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-16 Thread Larry Hastings
Right now we're in the release candidate phase of 3.4. 3.4.0 rc1 has been released, and the next release will be rc2. You might think that anything you check in to the default branch in Python trunk will go into 3.4.0 rc2, and after that ships, checkins would go into 3.4.0 final. Ho ho

Re: [Python-Dev] Add Py_REPLACE and Py_XREPLACE macros

2014-02-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 17 Feb 2014 06:12, Serhiy Storchaka storch...@gmail.com wrote: 16.02.14 02:05, Nick Coghlan написав(ла): It's also likely than many of these crashes could only be reproduced through incorrect usage of the C API. Rather through queer or malicious usage of Python classes with strange code

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 17 Feb 2014 08:36, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote: Larry Hastings wrote: 3) We hold off on merging the rest of the Derby patches until after 3.4.0 final ships, then we merge them into the 3.4 maintenance branch so they go into 3.4.1. But wouldn't that be introducing a new

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-16 Thread Paul Moore
http://bugs.python.org/issue20621 is significant enough to be resulting in a 3.3.5 release - can you make sure the 3.4 fix goes in? I'm not sure how to find the revision number that contains the fix to follow the process you outline above, so I'm just mentioning it here on the issue to make sure

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Victor Stinner
Hi, The PEP 436 is still a draft and not mentionned in Python 3.4 changelog. The PEP proposes to add a DSL, not to modify all modules implemented in C. I think that it should be marked as Final and mentionned in the changelog. http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0436/ 2014-02-16 19:31 GMT+01:00

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: What to do about the Derby patches

2014-02-16 Thread Ethan Furman
On 02/16/2014 10:31 AM, Larry Hastings wrote: I'm very sorry that many people contributed to the Derby expecting their patches to go in to 3.4. This is my fault, for severely miscalculating how the Derby would play out. And I feel awful about it. Don't worry too much. It was a great

Re: [Python-Dev] pootle.python.org is down

2014-02-16 Thread INADA Naoki
FYI, Japanese translation project is now uses Transifex to translate Py3k document. https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/python-33-ja/ http://docs.python.jp/3/ On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 Feb 2014 02:20, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-16 Thread Gregory P. Smith
For 3.4.0rc2 the commit to merge from issue20621 is 52ab9e1ff46a. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: http://bugs.python.org/issue20621 is significant enough to be resulting in a 3.3.5 release - can you make sure the 3.4 fix goes in? I'm not sure how to

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.4: Cherry-picking into rc2 and final

2014-02-16 Thread Gregory P. Smith
http://bugs.python.org/issue20651 filed to track this as larry requested. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote: For 3.4.0rc2 the commit to merge from issue20621 is 52ab9e1ff46a. On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: