On Thursday 11 December 2008, Steve Holden wrote:
Ulrich Eckhardt wrote:
If readdir() returned Unicode text, people would start taking that for
granted. If it returned bytes, just the same. Returning a completely
unrelated type will give them enough hint that for this thing they have
to
Hi,
replying to the topic only: because many C libraries support threading and
Python extension modules can integrate them in a way that allows
concurrency in a safe way (although 'safe' is definitely something that is
paid for in developer days).
Stefan
On Thursday 11 December 2008, Adam Olsen wrote:
The simplest solution there is to have windows bytes APIs that return
raw UTF-16 bytes (note that windows does NOT guaranteed to be valid
unicode, despite being much more likely than on linux).
Actually, I'm not aware of this case. I only know
Toshio Kuratomi writes:
Adam Olsen wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org
wrote:
Unfortunately, even programmers experienced in I18N like Martin, and
those with intuition-that-has-the-force-of-lawwink like Guido,
express deliberate
* Adam Olsen wrote:
UTF-8 in percent encodings is becoming a defacto standard. Otherwise
the browser has to display the percent escapes in the address bar,
rather than the intended text.
Duh! The address bar should contain the URL, which *is* the intended text.
The escapes are there for a
On Friday 12 December 2008, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
I gather that the BFDL's line on this thread of discussion is that
forcing programmers to think about encodings every time they call out
to the OS is unacceptable
Exactly that is not necessary.
for n in os.readdir('.'):
f =
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 AM, André Malo n...@perlig.de wrote:
* Adam Olsen wrote:
UTF-8 in percent encodings is becoming a defacto standard. Otherwise
the browser has to display the percent escapes in the address bar,
rather than the intended text.
Duh! The address bar should contain
2008/12/12 Sturla Molden stu...@molden.no:
Last month there was a discussion on Python-Dev regarding removal of
reference counting to remove the GIL. I hope you forgive me for continuing
the debate.
[...]
Python could be better off doing what tcl does. Allow each process to
embed multiple
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:13, Sturla Molden stu...@molden.no wrote:
I genuinely think the use of threads should be discouraged. It leads to
code that are full of bugs and difficult to maintain - race conditions,
deadlocks, and livelocks are common pitfalls.
The use of threads for load
On 12/12/2008 11:52 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
The use of threads for load balancing should be discouraged, yes. That
is not what they are designed for. Threads are designed to allow
blocking processes to go on in the background without blocking the
main process.
It seems that most
Sturla Molden wrote:
Last month there was a discussion on Python-Dev regarding removal of
reference counting to remove the GIL. I hope you forgive me for continuing
the debate.
Anything to do with removing the GIL/threads/whatever other core
language feature someone doesn't like really belongs
Paul Moore wrote:
2. I'd like to see isolation based on multiple interpreters, but the
problem lies with extensions (and at a lower level with the Python C
API) which wasn't designed with isolation in mind. Changing that may
be nice, but it's probably too late (or if not, it's likely to be a
Curt Hagenlocher curt at hagenlocher.org writes:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Adam Olsen rhamph at gmail.com wrote:
I doubt that UTF-16 is used very much (other than on windows).
There's this other obscure platform called Java... ;)
Does it have a filesystem?
Hello,
Edd Barrett vext01 at gmail.com writes:
I just had to move the extern lstat... outside the ifndef
HAVE_LSTAT to get python 2.6.1 to build on OpenBSD 4.4-current/i386.
Could you please open an issue in http://bugs.python.org ? That way the problem
is less likely to be overlooked.
By
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Could you please open an issue in http://bugs.python.org ? That way the
problem
is less likely to be overlooked.
http://bugs.python.org/issue4639
Thanks
--
Best Regards
Edd
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:06 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Curt Hagenlocher curt at hagenlocher.org writes:
There's this other obscure platform called Java... ;)
Does it have a filesystem?
No, but it also has to interact with filesystems of possibly invalid
or indeterminate
Curt Hagenlocher curt at hagenlocher.org writes:
No, but it also has to interact with filesystems of possibly invalid
or indeterminate encodings. What does java.io do?
My point was that Python doesn't have to interact with the Java IO libraries,
while it has to interact with the Unix and
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Curt Hagenlocher curt at hagenlocher.org writes:
No, but it also has to interact with filesystems of possibly invalid
or indeterminate encodings. What does java.io do?
My point was that Python doesn't have to
Nick Coghlan schrieb:
Actually, I believe 3.0 already took a big step towards allowing this by
changing the way modules are initialised.
You are believing correctly. Martin has designed and implemented a
nicely working API to store extension module data per interpreter state.
For now
Curt Hagenlocher wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Curt Hagenlocher curt at hagenlocher.org writes:
No, but it also has to interact with filesystems of possibly invalid
or indeterminate encodings. What does java.io do?
My point was that Python
The fix_imports fix seems to fix only the first import per line that you have.
So if you do for example
import urllib2, cStringIO
it will not fix cStringIO.
Is this a bug or a feature? :-) If it's a feature it should warn at
least, right?
--
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
Le Friday 12 December 2008 17:39:33 Lennart Regebro, vous avez écrit :
The fix_imports fix seems to fix only the first import per line that you
have. So if you do for example
import urllib2, cStringIO
it will not fix cStringIO.
Is this a bug or a feature? :-)
I prefer to see that as a
Adam Olsen wrote:
UTF-8 in percent encodings is becoming a defacto standard. Otherwise
the browser has to display the percent escapes in the address bar,
rather than the intended text.
IOW, inconsistent behaviour is a bug, but translating into UTF-8 is not. ;)
I think we should let this
Christian Heimes schrieb:
Nick Coghlan schrieb:
Actually, I believe 3.0 already took a big step towards allowing this by
changing the way modules are initialised.
You are believing correctly. Martin has designed and implemented a
nicely working API to store extension module data per
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:23, Sturla Molden stu...@molden.no wrote:
It seems that most programmers with Java or Windows experience don't
understand this; hence the ever lasting GIL debate.
Yes. Maybe writing this with big letters in the thread module docs would help?
I am not suggesting
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 16:21, Scott Dial
scott+python-...@scottdial.com wrote:
See the following email for a summary of existing practice (as of 2004):
http://www.mail-archive.com/unic...@unicode.org/msg27352.html
Interesting. Quite a lot of them do just drop the undecodable
filenames. The
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On 02:23 pm, c...@hagenlocher.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:19 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
Curt Hagenlocher curt at hagenlocher.org writes:
No, but it also has to interact with filesystems of possibly invalid
or indeterminate encodings. What does java.io do?
My
Thomas Heller wrote:
Christian Heimes schrieb:
Nick Coghlan schrieb:
Actually, I believe 3.0 already took a big step towards allowing this by
changing the way modules are initialised.
You are believing correctly. Martin has designed and implemented a
nicely working API to store extension
* Adam Olsen wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 AM, André Malo n...@perlig.de wrote:
* Adam Olsen wrote:
UTF-8 in percent encodings is becoming a defacto standard. Otherwise
the browser has to display the percent escapes in the address bar,
rather than the intended text.
Duh! The
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, André Malo n...@perlig.de wrote:
* Adam Olsen wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 AM, André Malo n...@perlig.de wrote:
* Adam Olsen wrote:
UTF-8 in percent encodings is becoming a defacto standard. Otherwise
the browser has to display the percent escapes
* Adam Olsen wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, André Malo n...@perlig.de wrote:
* Adam Olsen wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 AM, André Malo n...@perlig.de wrote:
* Adam Olsen wrote:
UTF-8 in percent encodings is becoming a defacto standard.
Otherwise the browser has to
I'm sure probably most of you knows about psyco[1], the optimizer. Python
has an -O and -OO flag that is intended to be optimization flag, but we
know that currently it doesn't do much. Why not add psyco as standard
library and let -O or -OO invoke psyco?
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