2012/2/8 Simon Cross hodgestar+python...@gmail.com:
Is the idea to have:
bfoo.decode(locale)
be roughly equivalent to
encoding = locale.getpreferredencoding(False)
bfoo.decode(encoding)
?
Yes. Whereas:
bfoo.decode(sys.getfilesystemencoding())
is equivalent to
encoding =
I think I'm -1 on a locale encoding because it refers to different
actual encodings depending on where and when it's run, which seems
surprising, and there's already a more explicit way to achieve the
same effect.
The documentation on .getpreferredencoding() says some scary things
about needing
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 08:37, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote:
I didn't get a response from him to my e-mails since early 2010. Maybe
others have more luck if they try, but I don't have the impression that
waiting another two years gets us anywhere interesting.
Given that it was two
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:36, Dirkjan Ochtman dirk...@ochtman.nl wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 08:37, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote:
I didn't get a response from him to my e-mails since early 2010. Maybe
others have more luck if they try, but I don't have the impression that
waiting
On 2012-02-08 09:28, Simon Cross wrote:
I think I'm -1 on a locale encoding because it refers to different
actual encodings depending on where and when it's run, which seems
surprising, and there's already a more explicit way to achieve the
same effect.
I'd agree that this is undesirable, and
On 8 February 2012 09:49, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote:
I concur. It's important that we consider Fredrik's ownership of the
modules, but if he fails to reply to email and doesn't update his
repositories, there should be enough cause for python-dev to go on and
appropriate the stdlib
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:11:07 +
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 February 2012 09:49, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote:
I concur. It's important that we consider Fredrik's ownership of the
modules, but if he fails to reply to email and doesn't update his
repositories, there
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:11:07 +
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's important to respect Fredrik's wishes and ownership, but we can't
leave part of the stdlib frozen and abandoned just because he's not
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM, solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
results for 140f7de4d2a5 on branch default
test_capi leaked [296, 296, 296] references, sum=888
This appears to have started shortly after Benjamin's _PyExc_Init
bltinmod refcounting
It's not frozen, it's actually maintained.
Indeed, it sounds like the most appropriate course (if we don't hear
otherwise from Fredrik) may be to just update PEP 360 to acknowledge
current reality (i.e. the most current release of ElementTree is
actually the one maintained by Florent in the
2012/2/8 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM, solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
results for 140f7de4d2a5 on branch default
test_capi leaked [296, 296, 296] references, sum=888
This appears to have started shortly after
2012/2/8 Simon Cross hodgestar+python...@gmail.com:
I think I'm -1 on a locale encoding because it refers to different
actual encodings depending on where and when it's run, which seems
surprising, and there's already a more explicit way to achieve the
same effect.
The following code is just
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Victor Stinner
victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote:
Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean by weird things. The
locale codec doesn't touch the locale.
Sorry for being unclear. My question was about the following lines
from
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Victor Stinner
victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote:
The current locale is process-wide: if a thread changes the locale,
all threads are affected. Some functions have to use the current
locale encoding, and not the locale encoding read at startup. Examples
with C
On 8 February 2012 12:21, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:11:07 +
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
It's important to respect Fredrik's wishes and ownership, but we can't
leave part
Hi,
Version 2 is now available.
Version 2 makes as few changes to tunable constants as possible, and
generally does not change iteration order (so repr() is unchanged).
All tests pass (the only changes to tests are for sys.getsizeof() ).
Repository:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:42, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:24:21 -0500
Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
IOW you want the sys.modules case fast, which I will never be able to
match
compared to C code since that is pure execution with no I/O.
Why
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:08, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:16:18 -0500
Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
IOW I really do not look forward to someone saying importlib is so
much
slower at importing a module containing ``pass`` when (a) that never
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 21:27, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 16:51, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
So, if there is
Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 11:01 -0500, Brett Cannon a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:42, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:24:21 -0500
Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
IOW you want the sys.modules case fast, which
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:47, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 2/7/2012 9:35 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
It's just that not everything I write can depend on Importing.
Throw an equivalent into the stdlib, though, and I
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:47, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote
[SNIP]
The fact that we have an undocumented PEP 302 based reimplementation
of imports squirrelled away in pkgutil to make pkgutil and runpy work
is sheer insanity (replacing *that* with importlib might actually be a
good
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:26, Alex Gaynor alex.gay...@gmail.com wrote:
Brett Cannon brett at python.org writes:
IOW you want the sys.modules case fast, which I will never be able to
match
compared to C code since that is pure execution with no I/O.
Sure you can: have a really fast
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:09, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le mercredi 08 février 2012 à 11:01 -0500, Brett Cannon a écrit :
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:42, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:24:21 -0500
Brett Cannon
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:15, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:47, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote
[SNIP]
The fact that we have an undocumented PEP 302 based reimplementation
of imports squirrelled away in pkgutil to make pkgutil and runpy work
is
The current locale is process-wide: if a thread changes the locale,
all threads are affected. Some functions have to use the current
locale encoding, and not the locale encoding read at startup. Examples
with C functions: strerror(), strftime(), tzname, etc.
Could a core part of Python
Hi,
I changed my email address (about a year ago) and updated my bug tracker
settings to my new address (late last year).
However, the code review tool still shows my old email address.
How do I change it?
Cheers,
Mark.
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http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/issue402 - it
seems like changes to a user's details on bugs.python.org
are not propagated to the review tool.
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Proposed PEP for new dictionary implementation, PEP 410?
is attached.
Cheers,
Mark.
PEP: XXX
Title: Key-Sharing Dictionary
Version: $Revision$
Last-Modified: $Date$
Author: Mark Shannon m...@hotpy.org
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
Content-Type: text/x-rst
Created: 08-Feb-2012
On 2/8/2012 11:13 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:47, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com
I'm not sure such an addition would help much with the base
interpreter start up time though - most of the modules we bring in are
because we're actually using them for some
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:07:10 -0500
Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
So, if there is going to be some baseline performance target I need
to
hit
to make people happy I would prefer to know what that (real-world)
benchmark is and what the performance target is going to be
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 14:57, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 2/8/2012 11:13 AM, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:47, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com
I'm not sure such an addition would help much with the base
interpreter start up time though - most of the
On 2/8/2012 3:16 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 14:57, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
Would the following work? Treat a function as a 'loop' in that it
may be executed repeatedly. Treat 'import x' in a function as what
it is, an __import__ call plus a local assignment.
Am 05.02.2012 21:34, schrieb Ned Deily:
In article
20120205204551.horde.ncdeyvnncxdpltxvnkzi...@webmail.df.eu,
mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
I understand that but, to me, it makes no sense to send out truly
broken releases. Besides, the hash collision attack is not exactly
new either.
Some quick searching shows that there is at least hope Microsoft is on
board with C++11x (not so surprising, their crown jewels are written
in C++). We should at some point demand a C++ compiler for CPython
and pick of subset of C++ features to allow use of but that is likely
reserved for
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 15:31, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 2/8/2012 3:16 PM, Brett Cannon wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 14:57, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu
Would the following work? Treat a function as a 'loop' in that it
may be executed repeatedly. Treat 'import x' in a
In article 4f32df1e.40...@v.loewis.de,
Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Am 05.02.2012 21:34, schrieb Ned Deily:
In article
20120205204551.horde.ncdeyvnncxdpltxvnkzi...@webmail.df.eu,
mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
I understand that but, to me, it makes no sense to send out
On 2/8/2012 2:18 PM, Mark Shannon wrote:
A pretty clear draft PEP.
Changes to repr() output and iteration order:
For most cases, this will be unchanged.
However for some split-table dictionaries the iteration order will
change.
Neither of these cons should be a problem.
Modules which meddle
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 2/8/2012 2:18 PM, Mark Shannon wrote:
A pretty clear draft PEP.
Changes to repr() output and iteration order:
For most cases, this will be unchanged.
However for some split-table dictionaries the iteration order will
change.
Neither of these cons should be a problem.
Just more info: changeset is: 74843:20702d1acf17
Cheers,
francis
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Hi everyone,
I'm working with the LTTng (Linux Tracing) team and we came across a problem
with our user-space tracer and Python default behavior. We provide a libc
wrapper that instrument free() and malloc() with a simple ld_preload of that
lib.
Hi Mark,
I've just cloned :
Repository: https://bitbucket.org/markshannon/cpython_new_dict
Do please try it on your machine(s).
that's a:
Linux random 3.1.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 10 05:01:58 UTC 2012 x86_64
GNU/Linux
and I'm getting:
gcc -pthread -c -Wno-unused-result -g -O0 -Wall
Simon Cross wrote:
I think I'm -1 on a locale encoding because it refers to different
actual encodings depending on where and when it's run, which seems
surprising
Why is it surprising? Surely that's the whole point of a locale encoding: to
use the locale encoding, whatever that happens to be
Paul Moore wrote:
I would suggest that, assuming python-dev want to take ownership of
the module, one last-ditch attempt be made to contact Fredrik. We
should email him,
I wouldn't call email to be last-ditch. I call email first-ditch.
I would expect that a last-ditch attempt would include
Could you file a bug at bugs.python.org, David, so we don't lose track of
this?
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 18:03, David Goulet dgou...@efficios.com wrote:
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I'm working with the LTTng (Linux Tracing) team and we came across a
problem
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 15:31, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
For top-level imports, unless *all* are made lazy, then there *must* be
some indication in the code of whether to make it lazy or not.
Not true; importlib
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
I guess my point was: why is there a function call in that case? The
import statement could look up sys.modules directly.
Or the built-in __import__ could still be written in C, and only defer
to importlib when the
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:28 AM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
The main two reasons you wouldn't want imports to *always* be lazy are:
1. Changing sys.path or other parameters between the import statement and
the actual import
2. ImportErrors are likewise deferred until point-of-use,
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:52 AM, victor.stinner
python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/f8409b3d6449
changeset: 74832:f8409b3d6449
user: Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com
date: Wed Feb 08 14:31:50 2012 +0100
summary:
PEP 410
Ah, even when
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 7:52 AM, victor.stinner
python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/f8409b3d6449
changeset: 74832:f8409b3d6449
user: Victor Stinner victor.stin...@haypocalc.com
date:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
Simon Cross wrote:
I think I'm -1 on a locale encoding because it refers to different
actual encodings depending on where and when it's run, which seems
surprising
Why is it surprising? Surely that's the whole point
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