Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread Martin Panter
On 15 March 2016 at 04:32, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 15 March 2016 at 10:49, Martin Panter wrote: >> One more idea I am considering is to decouple the makefile rules from >> the main build. So to update the generated files you would have to run >> a

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 15 March 2016 at 10:49, Martin Panter wrote: > One more idea I am considering is to decouple the makefile rules from > the main build. So to update the generated files you would have to run > a separate command like “make graminit” or “make frozen”. The normal > build

Re: [Python-Dev] New OpenSSL - has anyone ever looked at (in)compatibility with LibreSSL

2016-03-14 Thread Jim Baker
I have no vested interest in this, other than the continuing work we have done to make Jython compatible with OpenSSL's model, warts and all. But the fact that BoringSSL cleans up the OpenSSL API ( https://boringssl.googlesource.com/boringssl/+/HEAD/PORTING.md), at the cost of possible backwards

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread Martin Panter
On 14 March 2016 at 13:26, R. David Murray wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:04:08 -, "Gregory P. Smith" > wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:41 PM Martin Panter wrote: >> > Include/graminit.h >> > Python/graminit.c >> >

Re: [Python-Dev] New OpenSSL - has anyone ever looked at (in)compatibility with LibreSSL

2016-03-14 Thread Gregory P. Smith
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 4:56 PM Nathaniel Smith wrote: > Should people outside google pay attention to boringssl? The first > thing it says on the website is: > > "Although BoringSSL is an open source project, it is not intended for > general use, as OpenSSL is. We don’t

Re: [Python-Dev] New OpenSSL - has anyone ever looked at (in)compatibility with LibreSSL

2016-03-14 Thread Nathaniel Smith
Should people outside google pay attention to boringssl? The first thing it says on the website is: "Although BoringSSL is an open source project, it is not intended for general use, as OpenSSL is. We don’t recommend that third parties depend upon it. Doing so is likely to be frustrating because

Re: [Python-Dev] New OpenSSL - has anyone ever looked at (in)compatibility with LibreSSL

2016-03-14 Thread Gregory P. Smith
Don't forget BoringSSL. On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:30 AM Michael Felt wrote: > Can look at it. There has been a lot of discussion, iirc, between OpenSSL > and LibreSSL re: version identification. > Thx for the reference. > > > On 08-Mar-16 14:55, Hasan Diwan wrote: > > > On 8

Re: [Python-Dev] Modify PyMem_Malloc to use pymalloc for performance

2016-03-14 Thread Victor Stinner
2016-02-12 14:31 GMT+01:00 M.-A. Lemburg : >>> If your program has bugs, you can use a debug build of Python 3.5 to >>> detect misusage of the API. > > Yes, but people don't necessarily do this, e.g. I have > for a very long time ignored debug builds completely > and when I

Re: [Python-Dev] Modify PyMem_Malloc to use pymalloc for performance

2016-03-14 Thread Victor Stinner
2016-03-09 18:54 GMT+01:00 Brett Cannon : >>> https://docs.python.org/dev/c-api/memory.html#c.PyMem_SetupDebugHooks >> >> The main advantage of this variable is that you don't have to >> recompile Python in debug mode to benefit of these checks. > > I just wanted to say this all

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread Xavier de Gaye
On 03/14/2016 05:34 PM, Xavier de Gaye wrote: > Changeset c2a53aa27cad [1] was commited in issue 22359 [2] to remove incorrect > uses of recursive make. The changeset added executable binaries as > prerequisites to the existing rules (Python/importlib.h and $(GRAMMAR_H)). > This broke

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread Xavier de Gaye
On 03/14/2016 02:26 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > > The repo-timestamp problem is addressed by the 'make touch' target. > > And yes, checking in these platform-independent artifacts is very > intentional: less to build, fewer external dependencies in the build > process...you don't need to *have*

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:04:08 -, "Gregory P. Smith" wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:41 PM Martin Panter wrote: > > > On 13 March 2016 at 01:13, Russell Keith-Magee > > wrote: > > > The patches that I've uploaded to

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug in build system for cross-platform builds

2016-03-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 14 March 2016 at 13:04, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > They should not be regenerated every build, if they are, that seems like a > bug in the makefile to me (or else the timestamp checks that make does vs > how your code checkout happened). Having them checked in is convenient