Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 17:15, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: On 02:51 pm, ba...@python.org wrote: On Aug 04, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: I think the issue is that many core developers don't have the reflex to check buildbot state after they commit some changes (or at least on a regular,

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 18:45, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: How hard is it to look at a web page? The hard part is to know *when* to look. As you might have noticed, the Python test suite does not run in ten seconds, especially on some of the buildbots -- it can take 1-2 there to complete. So if

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 18:21, schrieb David Stanek: On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: The hard part is to know *when* to look. As you might have noticed, the Python test suite does not run in ten seconds, especially on some of the buildbots -- it can take 1-2

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 17:53, schrieb Georg Brandl: Am 04.08.2010 17:15, schrieb exar...@twistedmatrix.com: On 02:51 pm, ba...@python.org wrote: On Aug 04, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: I think the issue is that many core developers don't have the reflex to check buildbot state after

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 20:25, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Aug 04, 2010, at 01:56 PM, Steve Holden wrote: But I see rules being established (there's a language moratorium: no changes!, no release should be made unless the buildbots are *all* green) and then ignored apparently on a whim. This doesn't give

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.08.2010 19:56, schrieb Steve Holden: This whole discussion seems to make it clear that the release manager procedures are still ill-defined in certain areas. If you mean to imply that a release manager should care for the stability of their branch also in between of releases -- I'd love

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking after the buildbots (in general)

2010-08-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.08.2010 01:26, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Aug 04, 2010, at 06:39 PM, Steve Holden wrote: I'll see if I can get God to extend it for you. No need to involve the supernatural Steve! Just approve that PSF grant I submitted so I can finish my (Python powered of course!) clone army. *Now*

Re: [Python-Dev] r84124 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/abc.rst Lib/abc.py Lib/test/test_abc.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 17.08.2010 02:52, schrieb benjamin.peterson: Author: benjamin.peterson Date: Tue Aug 17 02:52:52 2010 New Revision: 84124 Log: add support for abstract class and static methods #5867 Modified: python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/abc.rst python/branches/py3k/Lib/abc.py

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Old link text in documentation

2010-08-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.08.2010 20:59, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Am 18.08.2010 17:11, schrieb Michael Foord: Could (and should) the online Python 3.1 docs be updated to show Python 2.7 as stable? I think the answer is no, it could not. How many old documentation sets would you want to go through, and

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r84190 - python/branches/release31-maint/Doc/library/stdtypes.rst

2010-08-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.08.2010 15:32, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: Thanks for the replies. The dev FAQ is clear about regular use, it tells about the svnmerge-commit-message too, and people in #python-dev have told me that the merge order is py3k

Re: [Python-Dev] r84229 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/codecs.rst Lib/encodings/aliases.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.08.2010 04:54, schrieb benjamin.peterson: Author: benjamin.peterson Date: Sat Aug 21 04:54:44 2010 New Revision: 84229 Log: alias macintosh to mac_roman #843590 Modified: python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/codecs.rst python/branches/py3k/Lib/encodings/aliases.py

Re: [Python-Dev] r84229 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/codecs.rst Lib/encodings/aliases.py Misc/NEWS

2010-08-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.08.2010 13:00, schrieb M.-A. Lemburg: Georg Brandl wrote: Am 21.08.2010 04:54, schrieb benjamin.peterson: Author: benjamin.peterson Date: Sat Aug 21 04:54:44 2010 New Revision: 84229 Log: alias macintosh to mac_roman #843590 Modified: python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/codecs.rst

Re: [Python-Dev] Released: Python 2.6.6

2010-08-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.08.2010 17:32, schrieb Éric Araujo: The question really is whether there is any chance that they will get released, in some form. There won't be further binary releases (at least not from python.org), so there definitely won't be a CHM release. I think that the most important release

Re: [Python-Dev] r84388 - in python/branches/py3k/Doc: conf.py using/index.rst

2010-09-01 Thread Georg Brandl
That title isn't better though, since it doesn't cover the using/cmdline document which deals with command line options, environment variables and the like. I agree that Using Python is not very descriptive though. Georg Am 01.09.2010 10:57, schrieb raymond.hettinger: Author: raymond.hettinger

Re: [Python-Dev] r84388 - in python/branches/py3k/Doc: conf.py using/index.rst

2010-09-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.09.2010 23:43, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: That title isn't better though, since it doesn't cover the using/cmdline document which deals with command line options, environment variables and the like. I agree that Using

Re: [Python-Dev] r84430 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/unicodeobject.h Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi Victor, 1. This function and PyUnicode_strcat are missing documentation. 2. Are you sure they need to be public APIs? What are they going to be used for? (I'm not sure myself, but I think we usually have a short notice here when new C APIs are added.) Georg Am 02.09.2010 01:43,

Re: [Python-Dev] r84430 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/unicodeobject.h Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.09.2010 01:26, schrieb Victor Stinner: Hi, Le jeudi 02 septembre 2010 11:13:22, vous avez écrit : 1. This function and PyUnicode_strcat are missing documentation. It's Py_UNICODE_strcat(), not PyUnicode_strcat(). But yes, Py_UNICODE_strcat() is not documented. But I didn't found

[Python-Dev] PEP 3149 accepted

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
This is to let you all know that PEP 3149 is accepted. Benjamin and I decided that on the basis that * strong precedent is set with PEP 3147 * it is not mutually exclusive with PEP 384; should PEP 384 become widely accepted, its use can fade out again * it is a strictly optional feature Barry

Re: [Python-Dev] r84456 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/unicode.rst

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Please add a versionadded tag. Georg Am 03.09.2010 18:23, schrieb victor.stinner: Author: victor.stinner Date: Fri Sep 3 18:23:29 2010 New Revision: 84456 Log: Document PyUnicode_AsUnicodeCopy() Modified: python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/unicode.rst Modified:

Re: [Python-Dev] r84430 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/unicodeobject.h Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.09.2010 18:24, schrieb Victor Stinner: Other than that, ok, let's have them. Ok. r84455 renames PyUnicode_strdup() to PyUnicode_AsUnicodeCopy(), and r84456 document it: -- ... cfunction:: Py_UNICODE* PyUnicode_AsUnicodeCopy(PyObject *unicode) Create a copy of a

Re: [Python-Dev] C API doc question

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.09.2010 13:44, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Amaury Forgeot d'Arc amaur...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/9/3 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com: Due to the Unicode API discussion, I happened to be looking at the C API docs at

[Python-Dev] 3.2 What's New

2010-09-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Hi, I'm not sure what the arrangement for the What's New in Python 3.2 document is; especially if either Andrew or Raymond still feel in charge for it. For this weekend's 3.2a2, it would be rather nice to have some more coverage of changes in the document, since it is the main thing people will

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.2 What's New

2010-09-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.09.2010 01:40, schrieb Victor Stinner: Le samedi 04 septembre 2010 00:52:38, Georg Brandl a écrit : For this weekend's 3.2a2, it would be rather nice to have some more coverage of changes in the document, since it is the main thing people will look at when determining whether to download

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.2 What's New

2010-09-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.09.2010 01:26, schrieb Raymond Hettinger: On Sep 3, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: Hi, I'm not sure what the arrangement for the What's New in Python 3.2 document is; especially if either Andrew or Raymond still feel in charge for it. I'm already working on it. Thanks

Re: [Python-Dev] new LRU cache API in Py3.2

2010-09-04 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 04.09.2010 12:06, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:42:08 +0200 Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote: What about adding an intermediate namespace called cache, so that the new operations are available like this: print get_phone_number.cache.hits

Re: [Python-Dev] r84513 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/whatsnew/3.2.rst

2010-09-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.09.2010 13:18, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 02:27:25 +0200 (CEST) raymond.hettinger python-check...@python.org wrote: + +The common directory is pyshared and the file names are made distinct by +identifying the Python implementation (such as CPython, PyPy, Jython,

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3149 thoughts

2010-09-05 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 05.09.2010 19:22, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I know the PEP is accepted, but I would still like to see some changes/clarifications. 1. What is the effect of this PEP on Windows? Is this a Linux-only feature? If not, who is going to provide the changes for Windows? (More specifically:

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 2

2010-09-06 Thread Georg Brandl
/3.2/ Please consider trying Python 3.2 with your code and reporting any bugs you may notice to: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [Python-Dev] Write access to hg.python.org

2010-09-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 07.09.2010 09:21, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 01:04, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: What is needed in order to have write (i.e. push) access to the hg.python.org repositories? What are the URLs (for example for the benchmarks repository)? IIRC you just need

Re: [Python-Dev] Write access to hg.python.org

2010-09-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 07.09.2010 10:29, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:11, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: To be a bit more precise, having a public key on file for SVN commits is enough, Not exactly, hg uses a separate keystore, so it might not have some of the newer keys. Oh ok, I

[Python-Dev] Garbage announcement printed on interpreter shutdown

2010-09-10 Thread Georg Brandl
Hey #python-dev, I'd like to ask your opinion on this change; I think it should be reverted or at least made silent by default. Basically, it prints a warning like gc: 2 uncollectable objects at shutdown: Use gc.set_debug(gc.DEBUG_UNCOLLECTABLE) to list them. at interpreter

Re: [Python-Dev] terminology for free variables in Python

2010-09-10 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 10.09.2010 14:41, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Eli Bendersky eli...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, did you know that dis.show_code is neither exported by default from the dis module, nor it's documented in its help() or .rst documentation? Neither is code_info(), which is

Re: [Python-Dev] r84744 - python/branches/py3k/Objects/unicodeobject.c

2010-09-12 Thread Georg Brandl
Victor changed this from return NULL to goto fail in r84730, claiming that it would fix a reference leak. Is the leak somewhere else then? Georg Am 12.09.2010 18:40, schrieb benjamin.peterson: Author: benjamin.peterson Date: Sun Sep 12 18:40:53 2010 New Revision: 84744 Log: use return

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.x as the official release

2010-09-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 15.09.2010 20:32, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Given that wsgiref is in the stdlib, I think we should hold up the 3.2 release (and even the first beta) until this is resolved, unless we can convince ourselves that it's okay to delete wsgiref

Re: [Python-Dev] r84771 - python/branches/release27-maint/Lib/test/test_io.py

2010-09-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Maybe you want to mention *who* warns? Georg Am 13.09.2010 10:20, schrieb florent.xicluna: Author: florent.xicluna Date: Mon Sep 13 10:20:19 2010 New Revision: 84771 Log: Silence warning about 1/0 Modified: python/branches/release27-maint/Lib/test/test_io.py Modified:

Re: [Python-Dev] r84847 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/re.rst

2010-09-16 Thread Georg Brandl
That reminds me of the undocumented re.Scanner -- which is meant to do exactly this. Wouldn't it be about time to document or remove it? Georg Am 16.09.2010 14:02, schrieb raymond.hettinger: Author: raymond.hettinger Date: Thu Sep 16 14:02:17 2010 New Revision: 84847 Log: Add tokenizer

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r84858 - in python/branches: py3k/Doc/library/logging.rst release27-maint/Doc/library/logging.rst

2010-09-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.09.2010 01:42, schrieb Éric Araujo: Hello + NOTE: If you are thinking of defining your own levels, please see the section + on :ref:`custom-levels`. I think those instances of upper-case-as-markup should either be real reST note/warning/etc. directives or plain English (that

Re: [Python-Dev] r84931 - in python/branches/py3k: Include/symtable.h Misc/NEWS Python/ast.c Python/compile.c Python/future.c Python/symtable.c

2010-09-21 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 21.09.2010 01:02, schrieb benjamin.peterson: Author: benjamin.peterson Date: Tue Sep 21 01:02:10 2010 New Revision: 84931 Log: add column offset to all syntax errors Modified: python/branches/py3k/Misc/NEWS ==

Re: [Python-Dev] Tracker BD Was:Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 07:32, schrieb Jack Diederich: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Raymond Hettinger raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2010, at 6:24 PM, R. David Murray wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:18:35 -0400, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: deputed tracker authority/ies. Not

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
That's right. It is true that it isn't branch-specific information, and that does cause a little bit of irritation for me too, but neither is Misc/developers.txt or Misc/maintainers.rst. Of course, we might consider a separate HG repository (I'm all in favor of many small repos, instead of a

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 04:35, schrieb Steven D'Aprano: On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:18:39 am Tim Peters wrote: Yikes - Mark has done terrific work in some very demanding areas, I'd hate to see him feel unwelcome. So that's my advice: find a way to smooth this over. You're welcome ;-) I'd like to

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 09:18, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: deputed tracker authority/ies. Not everyone has the same idea about how to handle the various fields and processes. Who decides in cases of disagreement? We discussed this a while back and I don't think we really have a tracker BD. Brett and

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:35, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant and current. I'm sure you don't think the Python wiki is useless, right?

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:47, schrieb Guido van Rossum: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: -1 on wiki; wikis are where good information goes off to die. Well, *all* documentation requires vigilance to remain relevant

Re: [Python-Dev] Moving the developer docs?

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 16:41, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Sep 23, 2010, at 09:06 AM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: Are any of our docs subject to release schedules? I guess what I'm concerned about is this scenario: You're a developer who has the source code to Python 3.1. You read the in-tree docs to

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 19:22, schrieb Terry Reedy: Asking every now and then is this still an issue, or setting the version number, doesn't really advance the issue. Numerous issues have been advanced by the questions I and Mark have asked. Some were legitimately closed as out of date (the bug

Re: [Python-Dev] Goodbye

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 22:51, schrieb Éric Araujo: Le 23/09/2010 19:22, Terry Reedy a écrit : As of just now, if you were to wonder What (security) bugs are open for 2.5 and search on open 2.5 issues, you would get a list of 44 issues. It is only 44 instead of hundreds because of the work I and Mark

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir has shell access now so perhaps we can ask him to make the Python wiki theme more visually

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
Is it me, or is the open and closed count confusing to anyone else? I.e., shouldn't the total delta equal the sum of the open delta and the closed delta? Georg Am 24.09.2010 20:00, schrieb Brett Cannon: I think every week where more bugs are closed than opened should be celebrated! =) Thanks

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-24 Thread Georg Brandl
, 2010 at 12:57, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Is it me, or is the open and closed count confusing to anyone else? I.e., shouldn't the total delta equal the sum of the open delta and the closed delta? The total delta is a complete count of bugs, while the open and closed deltas can apply

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 03:45, schrieb Brett Cannon: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 13:04, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: So by opening and closing a bug 5 times within a week, the open and close counters both go up by 5? That would be stupid. No, as in a bug was re-opened last week and then closed

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 14:10, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Guess the only way to settle this is look at the code, but I don't care enough to bother. =) I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs

Re: [Python-Dev] Relative imports in Py3k

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb anatoly techtonik: Hi, I wonder if situation with relative imports in packages is improved in Python 3k or we are still doomed to a chain of hacks? My user story: I am currently debugging project, which consists of many modules in one package. Each module

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 15:15, schrieb David Stanek: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com wrote: For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, my vision that it should

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 18:53, schrieb Terry Reedy: On 9/25/2010 7:11 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: I'll bother Ezio when he's back. It just feels strange to me that the bit of statistic I feel is most interesting -- whether there are less open bugs at the end of the week than at the start

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 21:12, schrieb Paul Boddie: Georg Brandl wrote: Am 23.09.2010 22:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Barry Warsaw barry at python.org wrote: I certainly agree with that. So, how can we solve those problems? Radomir has shell access now so

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 23:41, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I guess a better example would be old: open #1 #2 closed #3 new: open #1 closed #2 #3 #4 #5 which results in +2 for open (since #4 and #5 were opened) and +3 for closed (since #2, #4 and #5 were closed), however the total issue

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.09.2010 23:43, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: For me a major annoyance is the empty page with two links on wiki.python.org While it allows to tell new people that there is also a Jython wiki, my vision that it should be instead be oriented on existing contributors immediately providing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-25 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 00:16, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Redirect wiki.python.org to the Python wiki front page, and put the Jython wiki somewhere on its own (whether it's wiki.jython.org or not). But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. Why -- they can be redirected easily.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python wiki

2010-09-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 14:59, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Am 26.09.2010 13:58, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: But that can't work: then off-site links into either wiki break. Georg isn't suggesting a general structural change, just a

Re: [Python-Dev] hg conversion: tags

2010-09-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.09.2010 12:55, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: Hi all, I've recently been working on the conversion more (since my thesis got finished). I finally wrote the script that splits the release branches from the feature branches, so that we can include the former in the main repository and keep

Re: [Python-Dev] r85028 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/c-api/init.rst Include/pythonrun.h Modules/getpath.c PC/getpathp.c

2010-09-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.09.2010 07:32, schrieb kristjan.jonsson: Author: kristjan.jonsson Date: Mon Sep 27 07:32:54 2010 New Revision: 85028 Log: issue 9910 Add a Py_SetPath api to override magic path computations when starting up python. Modified: python/branches/py3k/Doc/c-api/init.rst

Re: [Python-Dev] [Web-SIG] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.09.2010 22:33, schrieb P.J. Eby: At 12:36 PM 9/27/2010 -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: All fixed. Nope. I mean, sure, I checked in fixed PEP sources several hours ago, but python.org still doesn't show PEP , or the updated version of PEP 333. It does now, for me, so I assume

Re: [Python-Dev] Atlassian and bitbucket merge

2010-09-29 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.09.2010 09:03, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 03:13, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote: I see that Atlassian have just taken over BitBucket, the Mercurial hosting company. IIRC Atlassian offered to host our issue tracking on JIRA, but in the end we decided to eat

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 29.09.2010 20:49, schrieb Guido van Rossum: Unfortunately taking the average patch posted to the tracker and importing it in Rietveld is very iffy -- it's very hard to find the right branch+rev needed to be able to apply the patch correctly -- not to mention that there are so many

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs rebuild

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.10.2010 03:13, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: Hello, It seems the py3k docs (both dev and 3.1) haven't been rebuilt for a few days. Is there anything that needs to be done to trigger rebuilding? Yes, I noticed it in my cronjob email. It seems latex has a problem with c-api.tex; I'll have a

Re: [Python-Dev] Celebrating issue #10000

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 01.10.2010 01:50, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Amaury just filed issue #1 yesterday; as counting started with 1000, we are now into 9000 roundup issues. So, nitpickly, it would be 9001. But of course, we're already at 10003 anyway :) I have become quite fond of roundup over the years, and

Re: [Python-Dev] We should be using a tool for code reviews

2010-09-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 30.09.2010 10:22, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 20:32, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: I would like to recommend that the Python core developers start using a code review tool such as Rietveld or Reviewboard. I don't really care which tool we use (I'm sure there

Re: [Python-Dev] issue 9807 - a glitch in coexisting builds of different types

2010-10-02 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 02.10.2010 00:06, schrieb Barry Warsaw: Let's say I build the foo module, which has an _foo extension for both the 3.2m and 3.2dmu builds. Everything gets installed correctly, and you'll see: lib/python3.2/site-packages/foo-...egg/_foo.cpython-32m.so

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 09:05, schrieb Tarek Ziadé: Hello, In the Distutils2 project, we'll have quite a few scripts that can be called via -m $ python -m distutils2.depgraph : shows a dependency graph $ python -m distutils2.install : installs a project $ python -m distutils2.run command : runs a

Re: [Python-Dev] Another relative imports question

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 10:50, schrieb Chris Withers: Hi All, The new explicit relative import syntax is great. I wanted to relatively import a module. import .mymoduleinmypackage and got a SyntaxError in Python 2.6. I guess I need to do: from . import mymoduleinmypackage but it

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 14:02, schrieb Fred Drake: Georg: What happened to python setup.py action? Or is this a step towards not requiring setup.py at all? I'm in favor of add a top-level setup module that can be invoked using python -m setup There will be three cases: - d2 projects

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils2 scripts

2010-10-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.10.2010 16:26, schrieb Barry Warsaw: - query pypi - browse what's installed - install/remove projects - create releases and upload them pkg_manager ? No underscores, please. :) Actually, a decent wrapper script could just be called 'setup'. My command-not-found on Ubuntu doesn't

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 alpha 3

2010-10-12 Thread Georg Brandl
://docs.python.org/3.2/ Please consider trying Python 3.2 with your code and reporting any bugs you may notice to: http://bugs.python.org/ Enjoy! - -- Georg Brandl, Release Manager georg at python.org (on behalf of the entire python-dev team and 3.2's contributors) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 13.10.2010 22:55, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I have appointed Antoine Pitrou as the authority/manager for which build slave are considered stable. If you want to get a certain slave elevated or demoted, you have to convince him. I would also like to ask release managers to take the stable

Re: [Python-Dev] Stable build slaves authority

2010-10-15 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 14.10.2010 18:55, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:07:46 +0200 Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: Very nice. http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/stable/ is completely green at the moment -- which means that I can now indeed take failures seriously in the future

Re: [Python-Dev] r85559 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/sys.rst Lib/distutils/command/build_ext.py Lib/distutils/tests/test_build_ext.py Lib/test/test_sys.py Makefile.pre.in Misc/python-config.

2010-10-16 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 16.10.2010 03:04, schrieb barry.warsaw: Author: barry.warsaw Date: Sat Oct 16 03:04:07 2010 New Revision: 85559 Log: First (uncontroversial) part of issue 9807. * Expose the build flags to Python as sys.abiflags * Shared library libpythonX.Yabiflags.so * python-config --abiflags *

Re: [Python-Dev] About resolution “accepted” on the tracker

2010-10-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Oct 18, 2010, at 04:04 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: Raymond Hettinger noticed on the tracker that there are different interpretations of the “accepted” resolution: Traditionally it denotes an approved patch, not a agreement that the bug is valid.

Re: [Python-Dev] About resolution “accepted” on the tracker

2010-10-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.10.2010 21:04, schrieb Michael Foord: On 18/10/2010 19:18, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 18.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Oct 18, 2010, at 04:04 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: Raymond Hettinger noticed on the tracker that there are different interpretations of the “accepted” resolution

Re: [Python-Dev] About resolution “accepted” on the tracker

2010-10-18 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 18.10.2010 21:28, schrieb Michael Foord: On 18/10/2010 20:24, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 18.10.2010 21:04, schrieb Michael Foord: On 18/10/2010 19:18, Georg Brandl wrote: Am 18.10.2010 20:11, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Oct 18, 2010, at 04:04 PM, Éric Araujo wrote: Raymond Hettinger

Re: [Python-Dev] My work on Python3 and non-ascii paths is done

2010-10-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.10.2010 16:12, schrieb Barry Warsaw: On Oct 19, 2010, at 03:53 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: Seven months after my first commit related to this issue, the full test suite of Python 3.2 pass with ASCII, ISO-8859-1 and UTF-8 locale encodings in a non- ascii source directory. It means that

Re: [Python-Dev] r85724 - in python/branches/py3k: Lib/logging/__init__.py Misc/NEWS

2010-10-19 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.10.2010 17:26, schrieb vinay.sajip: Author: vinay.sajip Date: Tue Oct 19 17:26:24 2010 New Revision: 85724 Log: logging: Added _logRecordClass, getLogRecordClass, setLogRecordClass to increase flexibility of LogRecord creation. Will this be documented? Georg -- Thus spake the

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 release schedule

2010-10-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 22.10.2010 09:36, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 00:57, Benjamin Peterson benja...@python.org wrote: In the interest of getting 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 out by next year, here's a tentative release schedule: November 13th - RC1 November 27th - RC2 December 11th - Final The

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.1.3 and 2.7.1 release schedule

2010-10-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 22.10.2010 11:41, schrieb Dirkjan Ochtman: On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:06, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: If everything goes as planned, there won't be many commits between RC2 and final, so it should be fine. The svn repos won't be removed anyway, so making a release from them

Re: [Python-Dev] Exposing pkguitl's import emulation (was Re: [Python-checkins] r85538 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/library/pkgutil.rst)

2010-10-22 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 19.10.2010 17:24, schrieb P.J. Eby: At 08:03 AM 10/18/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: I'm a little dubious about exposing these officially. They're mainly a hack to get some parts of the standard library working (e.g. runpy) in the absence of full PEP 302 support in the imp module, not really

Re: [Python-Dev] Bug week-end on the 20th-21st?

2010-10-23 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 23.10.2010 19:08, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: Hello, The first 3.2 beta is scheduled by Georg for November 13th. What would you think of scheduling a bug week-end one week later, that is on November 20th and 21st? We would need enough core developers to be available on #python-dev. I'll

Re: [Python-Dev] r85838 - python/branches/py3k/.gitignore

2010-10-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 25.10.2010 19:37, schrieb victor.stinner: Author: victor.stinner Date: Mon Oct 25 19:37:18 2010 New Revision: 85838 Log: update gitignore Added: python/branches/py3k/.gitignore This looks more like Add gitignore. Do we really want to check in ignore files for every possible

Re: [Python-Dev] Python bug week-end : 20-21 November

2010-10-26 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 26.10.2010 19:53, schrieb Brett Cannon: Can whomever has edit access to the Python Google Calendar add this? Done. Georg -- Thus spake the Lord: Thou shalt indent with four spaces. No more, no less. Four shall be the number of spaces thou shalt indent, and the number of thy indenting shall

Re: [Python-Dev] r85838 - python/branches/py3k/.gitignore

2010-10-27 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 27.10.2010 09:25, schrieb anatoly techtonik: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Oct 26, 2010, at 09:19 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote: This looks more like Add gitignore. Do we really want

Re: [Python-Dev] Continuing 2.x

2010-10-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 28.10.2010 06:13, schrieb Daniel Stutzbach: 2010/10/27 Kristján Valur Jónsson krist...@ccpgames.com mailto:krist...@ccpgames.com Firstly, the ease of integrating changes. It would be possible to port those bugfixes that release-27 gets, and also backport selected things from

Re: [Python-Dev] MemoryError... how much memory?

2010-10-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 28.10.2010 15:14, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: Furthermore, our server is fairly complex: we're using quite some libraries to do different jobs, and one of the approaches (not the only one) that we're taking to deal with this beast is to analyze its memory-related behaviour from an external POV

Re: [Python-Dev] Continuing 2.x

2010-10-28 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 28.10.2010 18:07, schrieb l...@rmi.net: Kristj?n Valur J?nsson krist...@ccpgames.com writes: James Y Knight said: The python community has already decided many times over that Python2 is dead and Python3 is the future But the patient is very much alive and kicking, no matter what the

Re: [Python-Dev] r85960 - python/branches/py3k/Lib/test/test_mailbox.py

2010-10-30 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 30.10.2010 12:12, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:13:01 +0200 (CEST) brett.cannon python-check...@python.org wrote: Author: brett.cannon Date: Sat Oct 30 02:13:00 2010 New Revision: 85960 Log: Silence some ResourceWarning in test_mailbox by using file context managers.

Re: [Python-Dev] On breaking modules into packages Was: [issue10199] Move Demo/turtle under Lib/

2010-11-03 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 03.11.2010 03:35, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:57:48 -0700 Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote: How could we have split the module into a package in a way that matched the API, whilst still retaining backwards compatibility with the old API? We had no choice but to

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of Python tracker Issues

2010-11-06 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 06.11.2010 05:44, schrieb Ezio Melotti: Hi, On 05/11/2010 19.08, Python tracker wrote: ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2010-10-29 - 2010-11-05) Python tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue. Do NOT respond to this message. Issues

Re: [Python-Dev] Snakebite, buildbot and low hanging fruit -- feedback wanted! (Was Re: SSH access against buildbot boxes)

2010-11-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 07.11.2010 12:50, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Trent Nelson tr...@snakebite.org wrote: 1. Set up standard build slaves on all the platforms, but put something in place that allowed committers to ssh/mstsc in to said slaves when things go wrong in order to aid with

Re: [Python-Dev] Snakebite, buildbot and low hanging fruit -- feedback wanted! (Was Re: SSH access against buildbot boxes)

2010-11-07 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.11.2010 01:13, schrieb Martin v. Löwis: I've spent a good bit of time on that, and left all the instructions in the buildbot master config. I also adapted buildbot's hg hook to our situation (e.g. to send a change to multiple masters, as required for the community buildbots), so it

Re: [Python-Dev] Backward incompatible API changes in the pydoc module

2010-11-08 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 08.11.2010 17:02, schrieb Éric Araujo: Hi Nick, If there is no enormous difficulty in maintaining compatibility, I think the usual deprecation process should be followed. We don’t know who is using pydoc as a library, so let’s play safe and not risk breaking their code (especially

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Formatting of Hg checkin notifications

2010-11-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 14.11.2010 13:39, schrieb Nick Coghlan: On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: See http://hg.python.org/hooks/ You should have push permissions to that repository. I suspect my hg-fu is inadequate to at this point - I get an 'access to repository

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 385: Formatting of Hg checkin notifications

2010-11-14 Thread Georg Brandl
Am 14.11.2010 19:35, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:27:22 +0100 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I suspect my hg-fu is inadequate to at this point - I get an 'access to repository hg.python.org/hooks not permitted' error when I try to push the modified file to

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