and consideration be given before choosing
to set it for a logger.
How does that sound?
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is that it can be used by modules from
different sources (standard library, 3rd party libs, application code) and
provide logs in an integrated manner. So the expectation you describe would
follow naturally.
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What's the easiest way of finding which tests failed on buildbot builds? I mean,
is there anything easier than using the Web interface to browse to failing
builds and then looking at the stdio output in a browser?
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haven't fixed yet,
but the above command should work fine)
Thanks, Ezio, that's really handy! Just what I needed. Example output (for those
who haven't used the tool) is at
https://gist.github.com/845082
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machine which I have been using for
many months with the Subversion repository.
Am I doing something wrong?
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OK, I see issue 11421 on the tracker.
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want to maintain 2.5)
- on the other hand: 3.1 - 3.2 - default
As it happens, the fix I'm doing won't apply to 2.5 anyway, so it doesn't
matter.
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From what I understand, we're supposed to forward-port in Mercurial, which is
why I started with 2.6 (the bugfix wasn't applicable to 2.5). So we don't need
to import into Subversion, but I see no point in reverting it in Mercurial.
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- Original Message
From
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Also, the section on forward-porting in the Dev Guide says it should be
applied
to the oldest branch applicable and this could be interpreted to mean
applicable based on the content of the branch, rather than according to release
policy.
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expect to check this change in
within the next few days.
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approach has merit, please
take a look at my fork, and give feedback/join in!
Note that I used the same approach when porting pip/virtualenv to Python 3,
which seems to have gone quite smoothly :-)
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with multiple codebases.
Admittedly I haven't looked at the C code yet, but that's next on my list.
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Hi Antoine,
Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net writes:
What you're proposing doesn't address the question of who is going to
do the ongoing maintenance.
I agree, my suggestion is orthogonal to the question of who maintains stdlib
json. But if the json module is languishing in comparison to
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes:
Does it actually need improvement?
I can't actually say, but I assume it keeps changing for the better - albeit
slowly. I wasn't thinking of specific improvements, just the idea of continuous
improvement in general...
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and medium term, but you never know in the long term).
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and the simplejson version here:
https://github.com/vsajip/simplejson/
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invalidates my finding of a 2% difference.
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in the non-speedup case. Perhaps someone with more
familiarity with stdlib json speedup internals could take a look to see what
I've missed? I perhaps can't see the forest for the trees.
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Timing simplejson (with speedups):
0.3202629089355469
Timing stdlib json (with speedups):
0.3200039863586426
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approach where you can just
pass a single callable to a server to handle requests, e.g. as outlined in
https://gist.github.com/945157
I'd be grateful for any comments about adding such functionality to e.g.
test.support.
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Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes:
If you poke around in the test directory a bit, you may find there is
already some code along these lines in other tests (e.g. I'm pretty
sure the urllib tests already fire up a local server). Starting down
the path of standardisation of that test
and the drill-downs HTML pages for individual
modules.
BTW, is there a public place somewhere showing stdlib coverage statistics? I
looked on the buildbot pages as the likeliest home for them, but perhaps I
missed them.
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http://coverage.livinglogic.de/
which, however, currently has nothing for *.py.
Perhaps a glitch/bug, as there used to be such.
Anyone who knows the page owner might ask about this.
Thanks for the pointer, nevertheless, Terry.
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not yet looked at how to
adapt other stdlib code than test_logging to use these classes, but the above
usage mode seems convenient and sufficient for testing applications. No doubt
people will be able to suggest problems with/improvements to the approach
outlined above.
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, then you can
either restore the _handlerList using the approach in test_logging, or else you
can just close the handlers when you've done with them.
If you point me at the relevant code (is it on bitbucket or on hg.python.org?) I
can perhaps take a look and advise.
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)
def test_something(self):
logging.warning('Test')
self.assertTrue(self.handler.matches(message='Test'))
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on it), and set the level on
the logger. Where the functionality may be used in an API, you should perhaps
check logger.hasHandlers() and avoid adding handlers if there are already some
added by a using library or application.
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that's the code which should set the handlers.
The levels set by a library for its loggers are merely defaults. Applications
using the library can choose to override those levels as they wish.
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Terry Reedy tjreedy at udel.edu writes:
I would change this to
local name 'bob' used before the assignment that makes it a local name
Calling names 'variables' is itself a point of confusion.
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bag of tricks.
So I would also want to keep codecs.open() and friends, at least for now -
though it makes seems to make sense to implement them as wrappers (as Nick
suggested).
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functionality in the most efficient way possible (which may well be
TextIOWrapper), IMO deprecating StreamReader/StreamWriter will make 2.x/3.x
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, of course) think? While it does appear to have been
broken for some time, it seems a bit too serious to leave until a 3.2.2 release.
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without cloning and building, I
created a Debian package using checkinstall, which can be installed using
sudo dpkg -i pythonv_3.3-1_i386.deb
and removed using
sudo dpkg -r pythonv
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(the code doesn't rely on
symlinks, but rather, copies of executables/DLLs). (All Windows testing so far
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test_packaging fails because of #12313.
test_email fails for a similar reason - Makefile.pre.in is missing test_email in
LIBSUBDIRS.
test_sysconfig is probably failing because of changes I made, and I'm not sure
of test_lib2to3. I will investigate!
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to make
do with junctions a.k.a. reparse points which are more shambolic than
symbolic ;-) I know symlinks are available on Vista, Windows Server 2008 and
later, but XP is still very common.
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environments skates close to it but manages to avoid it well
enough to avoid confusion.
Or as they involving encapsulating paths and libaries, perhaps we could call
them capsules ;-) though I think the term virtualenv is pretty entrenched now
in the Python community.
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and then
sudo checkinstall -D --fstrans=no
which takes forever (God knows why - it's many many minutes at 100% CPU) but
eventually comes up with the .deb.
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Barry Warsaw barry at python.org writes:
Ah, no I don't think that'll be helpful. I can probably reuse the python3.3
packaging stuff to do a PPA.
Okay, go for it! Is there a specific tutorial somewhere about making a PPA for
Python? (As opposed to more generalised tutorials - or would they be
with a
patched version of Distribute which uses sys.site_prefix is available, falling
back to sys.prefix when not (so the Distribute change is backward compatible).
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[1] http://bugs.python.org/issue12331
[2] http://bugs.python.org/issue9100
[3] https://gist.github.com/1022705
. Last I knew it was
Carl Meyer pushing it forward, but Vinay Sajip is the current standard-
bearer. I understand Windows support will be a bit tricky; I don't know if
they have someone who's going to handle it for them.
Mark, thanks for the summary.
Re. a PEP for virtual environments
, openssl etc.) is still the SVN repo.
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PEP 397 (Python launcher for Windows) has a reference implementation in Python.
Does anyone know of a C implementation, or is planning/working on one? I realise
this is the final objective, so such implementation might be premature, but
perhaps someone has been experimenting ...
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files. I can post this on BitBucket if anyone's interested,
but it's a work in progress. I'm working on some simple tests.
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of another thing that perhaps needs handling: what if a customized
command points to the launcher itself? It'd be turtles all the way down :-)
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. Of course these can be made dynamic,
but what's there is good enough for the moment for exploration.
Do have a play, and let me know what you think.
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taken a closer look, if you think it looks good enough, then that's
fine. If you have a BitBucket account, I can add your account to the repo so
you can push changes to it.
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: with the configuration containing
[commands]
shell=cmd /c
with a shebang in doit.py of '#!shell python -v'
the launcher will run 'cmd /c python -v doit.py'.
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- if users have to do this now anyway, we at least wouldn't be naking
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. I've no idea what put that
association in the registry.
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- how do we deal with that? Or don't we? There'll be no warning for the user,
and this problem will occur even if the launcher is packaged separately from
Python. so I think we need to think about this a little more. What say?
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that you could restore associations to the launcher just by repairing
its installation), but since nested MSIs are a no-no, that means installing via
a bootstrapping .exe. This is a bigger change to our Windows packaging than some
people might be comfortable with ...
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registry or the Wow6432Node used for 32-bit
applications.
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Currently I'm putting the file association information in the same component as
the files, since the registry values cross reference those files.
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. All the other code is just plain C and Win32 APIs (gosh -
takes me back! Window procedures, anyone?). The code builds with Visual Studio
and also Visual Studio Express (C++ edition).
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using io module code, the only
portability issues would be because of people relying on broken aspects of the
existing codecs code - which is unlikely to be all (or even most) of the people
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understand that there might be specific issues with them, but isn't
actively harmful a little strong? I don't see who is being actively harmed by
them, nor how.
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from 2.x to 3.x. But in 2.x, is there any other API which allows you
to wrap arbitrary streams? If not, then ISTM that removing the Stream* classes
would give 2.x-3.x porting projects more trouble than codecs.open() - open().
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linked in
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If you get any more issues, you can post them on the BitBucket issue tracker -
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at all. The launcher code tries to
add these keys in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, but I believe Windows can map this to HKCU
rather than HKLM if you don't have administrator access, at least on XP.
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the command line is merely a convenience for developers (as
the PEP says) - it's better to rely on shebang lines together with settings in
the .ini to get the behaviour you want.
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perhaps useful for testing, are useless in everyday Python usage: perhaps -O,
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SDK (for the 64-bit compilers), Visual Studio Express C++ (2008
Edition), WiX for the installers, and Python.
All are free as in beer, and some are also free as in speech.
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before final release, but they are not complete show-stoppers and
won't preclude 2.x users giving useful feedback.
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Éric Araujo merwok at netwok.org writes:
Le 18/08/2011 00:30, Vinay Sajip a écrit :
stdlib dependency code is either moved to util.py or test/support.py as
appropriate.
We need sysconfig, shutil, tarfile, hashlib... Surely that’s a lot to
put in util.py.
Well sysconfig.py/sysconfig.cfg
Facundo Batista facundobatista at gmail.com writes:
An error regarding the argument quantity? what?
Ideas? Thanks!
I think this is the same as http://bugs.python.org/issue5421
tl;dr : fixed in recent versions.
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as a proper
word.
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as it would shadow the third-party module name, and I’m not fond of
“virtualize”: it brings OS-level virtualization to my mind, not isolated
Python environments.
I'm OK with Carl's suggestion of venv, and prefer it to Brian's suggestion of
env.
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name would be isolate:
python -m isolate /project/env
doesn't look too bad. There's no eponymous package on PyPI, and note also that
in addition to the common usage of isolate as a verb, it's also a noun with an
appropriate meaning in this context.
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no longer supported for Python development, or could something be wrong with my
configuration? BTW nothing has changed on the machine other than updates to
Jenkins and the cpython repo.
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this pretty much tick all the
boxes?
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the
registry information on installed Pythons only, with no nod to the possibility
of users having installed multiple virtual environments from those installed
Pythons.
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that there is a
Find other ... button which is hidden, and its handler (in
PC\bdist_wininst\install.c) is commented out. However, the code called by the
handler - GetOtherPythonVersion - is still there. Does anyone here know why the
button has been made unavailable?
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, so can someone advise whether there is any special configuring I need
to do? I've just built from the solution file (using Visual Studio 2008 SP1).
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be found?
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Never mind, found the answer from closed issue 9818 - bdist_wininst.vcproj.
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flickr link did not work for me, even after I tried
replacing at with @. Care to post a shortened link?
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it to the packager to include all relevant binary
dependencies, I'm not sure how satisfactory that'll be - possibly, not very.
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to locate an alternative Python in a virtual env doesn't seem too onerous for
the user.
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BTW, I believe that for virtual env installations, there's no need to provide
integration with Add/Remove Programs. I find that the Add/Remove Programs dialog
takes long enough to populate as it is :-(
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care of by having a good bdist_simple
- bdist_msi conversion.
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. But there are other changes we could make now - for
example, the list of categories does not include a library location
(necessitating my use of a compiled category), but perhaps a lib category
could be built in now.
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does both the bug fix and the arg skipping at present, but
I'll happily separate them if needs be.
Don't worry about separating them for now, assuming that it's fairly easy to
figure out which bit is which :-)
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Hmm, clicking the link in the email works here. but just to be safe:
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Thanks - looks nice! What is the license which applies to the code? Is it
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-run-edit-run-... session for the script(s) being edited. If that's the
case, just append -u to the shebang line at the beginning of your session, and
remove it at the end, and keep using py as your editor's Python; won't that do
the trick?
Regards,
Vinay Sajip
, on separate lines, even without the
--which, e.g.
Currently configured:
-2: c:\Python27\python.exe
-3: c:\Python32\python.exe
Regards,
Vinay Sajip
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Tarek Ziadé tarek at ziade.org writes:
Regards,
oh, cool !
maybe we could copy it at hg.python.org ?
Sure, but I don't know if I can do it. IIUC it needs someone with an account on
the server to create new repositories.
Regards,
Vinay Sajip
in there - a Makefile, configure script and some
.bat files.
I tried cloning it but I'm not allowed to create a repo at the top level - it
says
Please use a secondary level path such as sandbox/distlib
Seems a shame not to make it a top-level repo.
Regards,
Vinay Sajip
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