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That's *usually* a bug, but not always--it could be a LBYL check for an
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tion, but... time already goes too fast at my age;
don't skip me ahead almost a whole year to December 2016. :)
Also, unless you're the one guy who actually abandoned 2.6 for 3.0, it's
probably more useful to count from 2.7, 3.2, or the no-2.8 declaration, which
are all
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>> That doesn't mean the problem can't be solved. Apple solved their
>> equivalent problem, albeit by sacrificing backward compatibility in
>> a wa
hich can't have leading underscores), but it's also more conservative than
this spec in not allowing underscores between e and the sign.
I think Perl is the only language that allows them anywhere but in the digits
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>> [^3]: Say you write a program that assumes it will only be run on Shift-JIS
>> systems, and you use
>> CreateFileA to create a file named
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>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 03:45:48PM -0800, Andrew Barnert via Python-Dev
>> wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 14:20, Georg Brandl wrote:
>>
>> First, general questions: should the PEP mention the Decim
quot;liberal", which the PEP was in favor of, and and it has precedent in more
other languages. But, in favor of your version, almost every language uses some
variation of "you can put underscores between digits" as the "tutorial-level"
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> That's a good point: we need style rules for PEP 8.
One more point: should the tutorial mention underscores? It looks like the
intro docs for a lot of the other languages do. And it would only take one
short
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>>That's a good point: we need style rules for PEP 8.
...
>>It might be simpler to write a "whitelist" than a "bl
gt; bitstreams" (eg, in a package random.deprecated_generators).
I like the random.deprecated_generators idea.
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not just settle that and go back to bikeshedding the cases that
*are* contended, like "123_456_j"? (I'm happy either way, as long as the
grammar rule is dead simple and the PEP 8 rule is pretty simple, but I know
others have strong, and conflicting, opinions on that.)
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> I think it's probably too soon to discuss on python-dev, but I do
> think that something like this could be attempted in 3.6 or (more
> likely) 3.7, if it really is faster.
>
> An unfortunate issue however is that man
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> * I am currently picking fruits in the regional Australia. I live in a van
> and have internet through with smartphone through an EDGE connection. I can
> plug the laptop in the farm but not in the van.
> ** No fr
en". I am guessing that 16-bit is
>>> not well liked on 64-bit hw now.
>>>
>>> reference for xlC v7, where short was (apparently) still accepted:
>>> http://www.serc.iisc.ernet.in/facilities/ComputingFacilities/systems/cluster/vac-7.0/html/language/ref/clrc
for this example, since it all fits on one line and
isn't at all confusing.)
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>> On 2016-03-18 05:57, Andrew Barnert via Python-Dev wrote:
>> Yeah, C99 (6.7.2.1) allows "a qualified or unqualified version of _Bool,
>> signed int, unsigned int, or some other implementation-defined type", a
be needed in practice,
but something like this with defaults of False will allow people to easily
test all the various options.
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loosen it either in 3.6 or 3.7 depending on what people think after actually
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> > In particular, one RichPath
> > class might return bytes and another str, or even worse the same class
might
> > sometimes return bytes and sometimes str. When will o
Donald Stufft stufft.io> writes:
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> > In essence, you will force me to pre-
> > wrap all RichPath objects in either os.fsencode(os.fspath(path)) or
> > os.fsdecode(os
ne test and the raise
> > instruction are in two different blocks.
> >
> > (Moreover, the pep8 checks of OpenStack simply reject such syntax, but
> > I cannot use this syntax anymore :-))
> >
> I always half-indent continuation lines:
>
> if (width == 0
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On 05/05/2016 23:22, Stefan Krah wrote
Fredrik Lundh is also affected (and might not have received any mail,
same as me):
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/PIL
Maybe, but then there
Is Type[C,D] allowed? Or should multiple types be restricted to TypeVar?
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Type[...] item have been defined with a TypeVar(...,
bound=...), in which case multiple types aren't allowed with Type[...]?
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> What would Type[C, D] mean?
>
> --Guido (mobile)
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owed. There is *usually* a
> good reason to use a type variable though -- without one the return type
> would be the base class. (But then again maybe that could be what you want,
> or you might not even have a return type, e.g. when the thing just gets
> thrown into the database.)
>
>
wanted (but plausible[1]) behavior in a widely-used
> tool is worth standardizing. Sometimes, of course, you standardize
> *despite* the tool, but then at least the tool-users know that a
> decision has been taken to impose the burden on them, vs. imposing the
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gt; Regardless of what name, I'm fairly sure people will call it whatever
>> the
>> > function to create it is called. So if the function is
>> > typings.distinguish_type(...), then distinguished will stick.
>> >
>> > Top-posted from my Windows Phone
thods = unicodeiter_methods,
> };
I checked and VC++ does actually support this, and it looks like they support
// comments as well. I don't think it fully supports all of the C99 features
- it appears
They just cherry picked some stuff. The C99 standard library does appear to b
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What this means in practice is that assignments will
hensions
with side effects is ever a good idea, and Tim's examples did
nothing to change that.
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for me, the primary use case for an assignment expression is to be
able to "catch" a value into a variable in places where I can't put
an assignment statement in, like the infamous `if re.match() is not
ng if the answers to such puzzles were
> >> presented when they're posed.
>
well, I think the point there was that it wasn't obvious without running
the code -- and that point is made regardless of the answer.
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eople tend to use short, common names, like "i" -- Im thinking
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sub-expression in cases such as
[ ( (f(x) -> y)**2, y**3, y**4) for x in iterable ]
vs
[ ( (y := f(x))**2, y**3, y**4) for x in iterable ]
because the first "y" is closer to the way it is used, viz "**2".
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subconscious. It's just that I couldn't come up with any rational
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fair enough, but I think we all agree that *many*, if not most, Python
users are "not professional programmers". While on the other hand everyone
involved in discussion on python-dev and python-ideas is a serious (If not
"professional") programmer.
So we do have a bit of a
ead of := maybe => better
:= too close to other langs
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Of the proposed syntaxes, I dislike identifer := expression less, but
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used in the PEP body instead of
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On 04.07.2018 10:10, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
Right, Python has a *very strong* convention that each line should
have at most one side-effect, and that if it does have a side-effect
it
.
(As Stéfane Fermigier righly showed in message from 4 Jul 2018 11:59:47
+0200, there are always orders of magnitude more "amateurs" than
"professionals", and even fewer competent ones.)
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On 05.07.2018 2:29, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
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On 04.07.2018 10:10, Nathaniel Smith wrote:
Right, Python has a *very strong* convention that each line should
have at most
oved here".
Well, if no-one knows how to find something that can be improved, it
can't be improved :)
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us will use them more than others, some
perhaps not at all.
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t be put into the "chunk := self.raw.read()"
assignment expression combined with a test. At least, I don't see how.
(D)
while 1:
u1 = random()
if not 1e-7 < u1 < .999:
continue
...
Again, I don't see how to use assignment expression here.
Here
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On 2018-07-03 15:24, Chris Barker wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Chris Angelico > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Serhiy Storchaka
>
> > I believe most Python users are not
> > pro
the letter "all capabilities" 'cuz I may've missed something.)
Should it?
Personally, I'm for the unpacking but against augmentation 'cuz it has
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And https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-June/154160.html
disproves the "chosen often these days in new languages".
Ivan, I think you may hav
les
match/group: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/8097/files
list comp: https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/8098/files
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Python uses "as NAME" for things that
are quite different from this, so it's confusing
I wrote in
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-June/154066.html that
this is easily refutable.
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equivalent to that: not everything has a defined ordering relation. "<>"
draws from BASIC AFAIK which was geared towards regular users who don't
deal with advanced mathematics.)
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;s not too late to start calling the latter "generator
comprehensions" so that maybe by the year 2025 we can say
"comprehensions" and everyone will understand we mean all four types?
FWIW more people should start using "list display" etc. for things
like [a, b, c].
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On 07.07.2018 2:31, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:19 PM Terry Reedy <mailto:tjre...@udel.edu>> wrote:
Since Guido, the first respondent, did not immediately shoot the
idea
down, I intend to flesh i
https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/8145
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On 07.07.2018 2:58, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
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On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:19 PM Terry Reedy <mailto:tjre...@udel.edu>> wrote:
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ly that's pretty arbitrary.
Thanks to all of you who keep making 3.4 and 3.5 better,
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On 07/08/2018 10:05 AM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:
I'll use this opportunity to remind you that 3.4 build is broken --
it can't be built from start to installer with the instructions given
because of outside factors (CPython has mig
ad. This seems to be the
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core-mentorship -> core mentorship
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Thanks Nick,
I'll adopt this approach when I update my teaching materials.
If I think of it, I"ll post here when I do that
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of stub files.
Personally, I think they should be a subset of Python, but I'd also be
happy with an EBNF grammar for them.
-- Teddy
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:05 AM Brett Cannon wrote:
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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 10:32 Adam Cataldo via Python-Dev <
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> We would like to see a clear statement about the syntax of stub files.
> Personally, I think they should be a subset of Python, but I'd also be
> happy with an EBNF grammar for them.
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> -- Teddy
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> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:05 AM Brett Cannon wrote:
It would be nice if the pytype team could articulate the problems they're
> trying to solve, rather than offering to "help finalize PEP 484". My guess is
> that their parser for .pyi files only accepts a subset of Python and they're
> (you're? do you report to A
l).
But I'm wondering if there's a more formal contract around this behaviour.
Cheers,
Radim
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>> I guess I just volunteered to help with such a PEP, although I feel that
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>> out?
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GIL there are definitely use cases where it is not, for example when there are
keys with a type implemented in python, or when the dict is modified in another
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