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It seems that adhering to LSB's constraints is going to create a new set of
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Brett So, here are the platforms I figured we should drop:
...
Brett * OS/2
I'm pretty sure Andrew MacIntyre is still maintaining the OS/2+EMX port:
http://members.pcug.org.au/~andymac/python.html
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I thought the types module was deprecated.
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Besides, I've found it's generally best to agree with Tim. ;-)
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aahz Thanks again for giving me something fun to do with my life. ;-)
Not to mention a very good way to earn a living. ;-)
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for different libraries and having to make a (small, but annoying) semantic
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don't think on a Thursday evening, Gee, I think I'll drop by
SourceForge and see what work I have to do tonight.
Martin Maybe it would be better to remove you from the list of possible
Martin assignees, then?
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Someone checked in Parser/Python.asdl. After rebuilding Subversion tells me
that Python/Python-ast.c has been modified. I assume the two are related.
Did whoever checked in the former need to check in the latter (and maybe add
a note to Misc/NEWS)?
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Greg I actually came up with an idea for that, slightly too late to get
Greg considered in the original lockstep-iteration debate:
Gregfor (x in seq1, y in seq2):
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That's already valid syntax though.
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is really just an immutable list.
(What do you mean by ... put paid ...? It doesn't parse for me.) Based
on posts the current thread in c.l.py with the improbable subject f---ing
typechecking, lots of people refuse to believe tuples are anything other
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. Perhaps Raymond can comment on
whether he thinks that makes sense based upon his experience mentoring the
Decimal-in-C module.
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mentioned would suffice)? People could attach whatever
tags seem appropriate. Limiting the tags to a (nearly) fixed set of
categories or the names of modules seems limiting. Given a set of tags you
could also do the tag cloud thing and be more buzzword compliant at the same
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make a connection to an ftp server to send files the connection
shouldn't be aborted if you take more than 10 seconds to prepare the file
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Barry,
Does the proposed renaming include any restructuring (e.g. making
hierarchies out of all or part of the stdlib where none existed before)? It
wasn't obvious to me. For example, might there be a restructuring of the
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Bob What does idle timeout have to do with urllib2 or any IO layer for
Bob that matter? I've only seen it as a very high level server-only
Bob feature...
Nothing at all. I believe Adam just applied that term incorrectly to the
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1970 to 2038, What would the output of this be?
dt = datetime.datetime(3000, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
print dt.totimestamp()
dt = datetime.datetime(1900, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0)
print dt.totimestamp()
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Any ideas about why these test cases are in there? I can't imagine Excel
generating either one.
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do, and people complain if we don't parse it just like Excel
Andrew (sigh).
(sigh) indeed.
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for this not going into 2.5.x in any way
Anthony shape or form.
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How about Sunday, April 1st?
Barry I could probably show up for a few hours that day.
I can likely spend a couple hours as well. Afternoon (Central Time) would
be better. Depends on Ellen's work schedule.
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Fred, are you listening? If not, does someone else have a non-Comcast email
link to Fred? (I assume his acm.org address is just an alias which might
well point to his Comcast mailbox.)
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at home and run SpamBayes from source I can tweak
my SpamBayes code to use it as well. I'm now monitoring the above tracker
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amk It's stamp collecting as computer science.
+1 QOTF.
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Guido This rule has no place in a pure language *reference* manual. But
Guido it certainly deserves mention in any form of more practical
Guido documentation, be it a tutorial or a more advanced programming
Guido manual.
PEP 8 anyone?
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.__init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
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Guido developers.
Just a little FYI, python-mode (the one Barry and I manage - dunno about the
one distributed w/ GNU Emacs these days) is one of those tools that leaves
trailing whitespace behind when advancing to the next line..
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in Python please create a
patch at SourceForge so it doesn't get lost:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=5470atid=305470
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skip next line..
At least so I thiought. I know I've seen
add a hook to write-file-hooks though.
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David ... I only recently learned of the April 30 deadline for
David PEPs.
This is the first I heard of any sort of deadline...
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Guido subscribed to that list.
I'm not on the python-3000 list anymore (it was way too high-traffic for
me). David's message was cross-posted to python-dev and didn't indicate
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upload speed is very slow. It thus takes a couple days to realize in my
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James This is only a halfway fix to DRY, and it really only fixes the
James less important half. The important problem with super is that it
James encourages people to write incorrect code by requiring that you
James explicitly specify an argument list. Since calling super with
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]). It
would be helpful if you presented a concrete example. As stated though
there is no unique file that matches a given basename. You might also want
to check out the glob module to see if it addresses your needs.
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and events.venue = venues.id,
(city,))
I would be disappointed it string literal concatention went away.
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I use it all the time. For example, to build up (what I consider to be)
readable SQL queries:
rows = self.executesql(select cities.city, state, country
from cities, venues, events, addresses
Raymond Another way to look at it is to ask whether we would consider
Raymond adding implicit string concatenation if we didn't already have
Raymond it.
As I recall it was a relatively recent addition. Maybe 2.0 or 2.1? It
certainly hasn't been there from the beginning.
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Raymond Another way to look at it is to ask whether we would consider
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Raymond it.
skip As I recall it was a relatively recent addition. Maybe 2.0 or
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Surely
from textwrap import dedent as d
is close enough?
Nick Apart from it happening at run time rather than compile time.
And as someone else pointed out, what if you don't want each chunk of text
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release of
the previous version after the next major version is released, should that
be mentioned? To make it concrete, I believe shortly after 2.5.0 was
released the final bug fix release of 2.4 (2.4.4?) was released.
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should not require approval. In a rather short period of time I think you'd
settle on a fairly static group of trusted users who are responsible for
most changes. Only new submissions from previously unknown users would
require approval.
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On Mon, May 14, 2007, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
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In the meantime (thinking out loud here), would it be possible to
keep search engines from seeing a submission or an edit until a
trusted person has had a chance to approve it?
It would be possible, but I would
Christian I tried to use gdbinit today and found that the fragile
Christian pystacks macro didn't work anymore. I don't know gdb very
Christian well, but this turned out to work a bit more reliably:
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me, but given two sets I frequently want to operate on
s1-s2, s2-s1 and s1s2 in different ways. I wouldn't find a disjoint
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on purpose because I'm unfamiliar with the
available tools. The one thing I do know is that LaTeX provides that today
and by removing it from the toolchain you have removed a significant piece
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, but with the math subdir I can easily
move the whole thing to a new snapshot and the setup.py change lets me
install them transparently.
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of contributions. True
whiners will just come up with new ones (e.g., the documentation isn't
available in Sanskrit yet or the dog ate my changes before I could type
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d
_csv.Dialect object at 0x137fac0
Please submit a bug report on SourceForge.
Thx,
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subprocess.py ourselves.
In theory, I'm in favor of backporting, but how far back do you need/want to
apply it? There will clearly be more 2.5 releases. I don't think any more
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Neal are doing the best possible job. It would also be great to have
Neal more active committers that don't work at Google.
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Barry diffs are so 20th century. :)
How do you compare two versions of something without some sort of diff?
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Barry https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/python/trunk
Bazaar keeps this in sync with svn.python.org?
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Paul ... that files can have *either* bare \n, *or* the combination
Paul \r\n, to delimit lines.
As someone else pointed out, \r needs to be supported as well. Many Mac
applications (Excel comes to mind) still emit text files with \r as the line
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I'm working on removing Tru64 support from the Python 3 code base. There
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OSF/1 as well. What others are there?
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Guido According to the wiki history, BeOS was added to the wiki page by
Guido Skip. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/Py3kDeprecated?action=info
Guido (rev 6)
I didn't make it up. I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere in either the wiki,
the python-3000 mailing list or in the source
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Remove support for old systems, including: BeOS, RISCOS, (SGI) Irix,
Tru64
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have have missed something), let me know that as well.
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Neal register.
But try your SF id first.
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Fix title endtag in HTMLCalender.formatyearpage(). Fix documentation
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This fixes issue1046.
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