Re: [Python-ideas] Link accepted PEPs to their whatsnew section?

2018-06-13 Thread Brendan Barnwell
On 2018-06-13 06:48, Nick Coghlan wrote: On 13 June 2018 at 11:06, Michael Selik mailto:m...@selik.org>> wrote: Google will probably fix this problem for you after dataclasses become popular. The docs will gain a bunch of inbound links and the issue will (probably) solve itself as

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Mikhail V
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 2:58 AM, Greg Ewing wrote: > Mikhail V wrote: >> >> L ^= item >> is >> L.append(item) >> or >> L += [item] > > > Okay, that achieves an in-place append, but it's not exactly > obvious to the unenlightened what it does, whereas append() > is pretty self-explanatory. >

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Franklin? Lee
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 8:15 PM, Greg Ewing wrote: > Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> This would want to be semantically different from chained >> calls, in that a single replace([x,y,z], q) would avoid re-replacing; > > > +1, this would be REALLY handy! > > It's easy to trip yourself up with chained

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Stephan Houben wrote: Yes that is what my code does. It reduces degrees to [0,90]. Only for the special angles, though. Richard's point is that you need to do tha for *all* angles to avoid discontinuities with large angles. This is not how sine functions are calculated. They are calculated

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Chris Angelico wrote: This would want to be semantically different from chained calls, in that a single replace([x,y,z], q) would avoid re-replacing; +1, this would be REALLY handy! It's easy to trip yourself up with chained replacements if you're not careful -- like I did once when escaping

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Michel Desmoulin wrote: Also, we do have to saturate the str namespace with all the re functions. We could decide to go for `str.re.stuff`. However, note that this is not as simple as just adding a class attribute to str that references the re module, since presumably you want to be able to

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Mikhail V wrote: L ^= item is L.append(item) or L += [item] Okay, that achieves an in-place append, but it's not exactly obvious to the unenlightened what it does, whereas append() is pretty self-explanatory. Also, using the slice version to do an insert L[i:i] ^= item is not as efficient

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Mikhail V wrote: But if you say that special-casing of [i:j] here would be hard to implement, then maybe insert() idea should be dropped. Since I wrote that I realised that it's not true -- given an infix ^ operator like you propose, the in-place version of it would actually give the desired

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Greg Ewing
Clint Hepner wrote: Strictly speaking, a regular expression is just a string that encodes of a (non)deterministic finite automata. More strictly speaking, regular expressions themselves are agnostic about determinism vs. non-determinism, since for any NFA you can always find an equivalent

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Eric Fahlgren
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:54 PM MRAB wrote: > Would it check first-to-last or longest-to-shortest? I think that > longest-to-shortest would be the most useful. > > >>> old = ('cat', 'cats') > >>> new = ('mouse', 'mice') > >>> > >>> # First-to-last. > >>> 'cats'.replace(old, new) > 'mouses'

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:54 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 2018-06-13 21:52, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Michel Desmoulin >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 13/06/2018 à 19:11, Mike Miller a écrit : On 2018-06-13 06:33, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > > > I

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread MRAB
On 2018-06-13 21:52, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Michel Desmoulin wrote: Le 13/06/2018 à 19:11, Mike Miller a écrit : On 2018-06-13 06:33, Michel Desmoulin wrote: I often wished for findall and sub to be string methods, so +1 on that. Agreed, and there are a

Re: [Python-ideas] Add hooks to asyncio lifecycle

2018-06-13 Thread Yury Selivanov
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:34 AM Michel Desmoulin wrote: [..] > But even if I have spoken up then, my experience with Python-idea is that most of the time, people would have told me "no". They would have told me that "nobody is going to do that". > I'm getting used to it. It took me a lot of time

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread David Mertz
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 4:44 PM Michel Desmoulin wrote: > several startswith() and endswith() require a loop, but we could make > them accept *args. > You mean something like: "Lorem ipsum".startswith(('Lo', 'Hi', 'Foo')) You might want to check the time machine. >

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Michel Desmoulin wrote: > > > Le 13/06/2018 à 19:11, Mike Miller a écrit : >> >> On 2018-06-13 06:33, Michel Desmoulin wrote: >>> >>> I often wished for findall and sub to be string methods, so +1 on that. >>> >> >> Agreed, and there are a few string functions

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Clint Hepner
> On 2018 Jun 13 , at 4:43 p, Michel Desmoulin > wrote: > > > > Le 13/06/2018 à 19:11, Mike Miller a écrit : >> >> On 2018-06-13 06:33, Michel Desmoulin wrote: >>> >>> I often wished for findall and sub to be string methods, so +1 on that. >>> >> >> Agreed, and there are a few string

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Michel Desmoulin
Le 13/06/2018 à 19:11, Mike Miller a écrit : > > On 2018-06-13 06:33, Michel Desmoulin wrote: >> >> I often wished for findall and sub to be string methods, so +1 on that. >> > > Agreed, and there are a few string functions that could be extended (to > take a sequence) to handle more cases

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Mikhail V
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:40 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> L1 = L2 ^ item >> is >> L1 = L2 + [item] >> >> and >> L ^= item >> is >> L.append(item) >> or >> L += [item] > > Okay. Now it all is coherent and makes perfect sense... but you're >

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Tim Peters
[Richard Damon] > My first comment is that special casing values like this can lead to > some very undesirable properties when you use the function for numerical > analysis. Suddenly your sind is no longer continuous (sind(x) is no > longer the limit of sind(x+d) as d goes to 0). > > As I stated

Re: [Python-ideas] Link accepted PEPs to their whatsnew section?

2018-06-13 Thread Matt Arcidy
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 06:51 Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 13 June 2018 at 11:06, Michael Selik wrote: > >> Google will probably fix this problem for you after dataclasses become >> popular. The docs will gain a bunch of inbound links and the issue will >> (probably) solve itself as time passes. >> >

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Mike Miller
On 2018-06-13 06:33, Michel Desmoulin wrote: I often wished for findall and sub to be string methods, so +1 on that. Agreed, and there are a few string functions that could be extended (to take a sequence) to handle more cases that push folks to regex, perhaps earlier than they should.

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:40 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:04 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:15 AM, Greg Ewing >>> wrote: Mikhail V wrote: > >>> Sorry for repeating myself, the idea was

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Mikhail V
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:04 AM, Mikhail V wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:15 AM, Greg Ewing >> wrote: >>> Mikhail V wrote: >> Sorry for repeating myself, the idea was that the default meaning is >> append(), >> i.e. normal

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:04 AM, Mikhail V wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:15 AM, Greg Ewing > wrote: >> Mikhail V wrote: >>> > >> My feeling is that inserting is not a frequent enough operation >> to warrant having its own operator, especially not when there >> is already a syntax that

Re: [Python-ideas] Operator for inserting an element into a list

2018-06-13 Thread Mikhail V
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 2:15 AM, Greg Ewing wrote: > Mikhail V wrote: >> > My feeling is that inserting is not a frequent enough operation > to warrant having its own operator, especially not when there > is already a syntax that does the same thing. Depends on what you count as 'insert' -

Re: [Python-ideas] Link accepted PEPs to their whatsnew section?

2018-06-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 13 June 2018 at 11:06, Michael Selik wrote: > Google will probably fix this problem for you after dataclasses become > popular. The docs will gain a bunch of inbound links and the issue will > (probably) solve itself as time passes. > Sometimes when reading a PEP it isn't especially clear

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Michel Desmoulin
>> I suggest building all regex operations into the str class itself, as well >> as a new syntax for regular expressions. > >There are many different regular expression implementation (regex, > re2). How to make ``s.search(pattern)`` work with all of them? > You don't, they work stand

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Michel Desmoulin
Le 13/06/2018 à 13:06, Ken Hilton a écrit : > Hi all, > > Regexes are really useful in many places, and to me it's sad to see the > builtin "re" module having to resort to requiring a source string as an > argument. It would be much more elegant to simply do "s.search(pattern)" > than

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Oleg Broytman
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:06:09PM +0800, Ken Hilton wrote: > Regexes are really useful in many places, and to me it's sad to see the > builtin "re" module having to resort to requiring a source string as an > argument. It would be much more elegant to simply do "s.search(pattern)" > than

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Clint Hepner
> On 2018 Jun 13 , at 7:06 a, Ken Hilton wrote: > > Hi all, > > Regexes are really useful in many places, and to me it's sad to see the > builtin "re" module having to resort to requiring a source string as an > argument. It would be much more elegant to simply do "s.search(pattern)" than

Re: [Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Rhodri James
On 13/06/18 12:06, Ken Hilton wrote: Hi all, Regexes are really useful in many places, and to me it's sad to see the builtin "re" module having to resort to requiring a source string as an argument. It would be much more elegant to simply do "s.search(pattern)" than "re.search(pattern, s)". I

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Stephan Houben
Op wo 13 jun. 2018 13:12 schreef Richard Damon : > My first comment is that special casing values like this can lead to > some very undesirable properties when you use the function for numerical > analysis. Suddenly your sind is no longer continuous (sind(x) is no > longer the limit of sind(x+d)

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Richard Damon
My first comment is that special casing values like this can lead to some very undesirable properties when you use the function for numerical analysis. Suddenly your sind is no longer continuous (sind(x) is no longer the limit of sind(x+d) as d goes to 0). As I stated in my initial comment on

[Python-ideas] Give regex operations more sugar

2018-06-13 Thread Ken Hilton
Hi all, Regexes are really useful in many places, and to me it's sad to see the builtin "re" module having to resort to requiring a source string as an argument. It would be much more elegant to simply do "s.search(pattern)" than "re.search(pattern, s)". I suggest building all regex operations

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Stephan Houben
2018-06-13 12:08 GMT+02:00 Robert Vanden Eynde : > Then of you also want 45, you could do % 15 ? :D > Sure, but how the lookup is done in the Python reference code is ultimately not so important, since it will need to be rewritten in C if it is to be included in the math package (math is

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Robert Vanden Eynde
Then of you also want 45, you could do % 15 ? :D Le mer. 13 juin 2018 à 12:07, Stephan Houben a écrit : > 2018-06-13 12:00 GMT+02:00 Robert Vanden Eynde : > >> What was wrong with my initial implementation with a lookup table ? :D >> >> def sind(x): >> if x % 90 == 0: >> return (0,

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Stephan Houben
2018-06-13 12:00 GMT+02:00 Robert Vanden Eynde : > What was wrong with my initial implementation with a lookup table ? :D > > def sind(x): > if x % 90 == 0: > return (0, 1, 0, -1)[int(x // 90) % 4] > else: > return sin(radians(x)) > I kinda missed it, but now you ask: 1.

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Robert Vanden Eynde
What was wrong with my initial implementation with a lookup table ? :D def sind(x): if x % 90 == 0: return (0, 1, 0, -1)[int(x // 90) % 4] else: return sin(radians(x)) If you want to support multiples of 30, you can do % 30 and // 30. Le mer. 13 juin 2018 à 09:51,

Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: Trigonometry in degrees

2018-06-13 Thread Stephan Houben
Op di 12 jun. 2018 12:41 schreef Nathaniel Smith : > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 00:03 Stephan Houben wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I wrote a possible implementation of sindg: >> >> https://gist.github.com/stephanh42/336d54a53b31104b97e46156c7deacdd >> >> This code first reduces the angle to the [0,90]