On 16 Jan 2006 20:41:24 -0800 in comp.lang.python, "thakadu"
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>Yes, thats what you have to do. And that was my original point, you
>cannot just paste and go, you have to first reformat.
My heart bleeds.
Regards,
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Yes, thats what you have to do. And that was my original point, you
cannot just paste and go, you have to first reformat.
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thakadu wrote:
>>It just has to be consistent within a *single* block.
>
> Correct, and therein lies the problem I am describing.
> If someone has used two spaces and you paste into
> the SAME block where you are using four spaces
> you will break your code.
And then you invoke your "in/dedent b
>It just has to be consistent within a *single* block.
Correct, and therein lies the problem I am describing.
If someone has used two spaces and you paste into
the SAME block where you are using four spaces
you will break your code.
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Joe wrote:
> As for me, I'm not suggesting that braces are better than indentation.
> In fact, requiring indentation is a good idea, and I agree that braces
> can be quite ugly. It is the lack of visible block closing when there's
> more than one level that I dislike.
> ... I'm talking about doub
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:56:05 +0800 in comp.lang.python, Jon Perez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>
>Although the below does work, I believe:
Verified example:
>>> def check_indent(n):
if n==4:
print "You like four spaces"
elif n==3:
print "I like three"
thakadu wrote:
> While I have no doubt that there are lousy browsers out there, the
> problem is not only with browsers, but also I agree with you its not
> Python's fault. The issue is that the code I am pasting may have used a
> DIFFERENT indentation scheme, so lets say I used four spaces and th
Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
>>>Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
>>>whitespace rules?
>
>
> Of course.
>
> I estimate it will take around 1 to 2 years from now, until this
> whitespace-concept will become optionally.
>
> Backwards-compatibility will be kept, thus
Joe wrote:
> Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
> whitespace rules? I recall reading that Python might include such a
> feature. Or, maybe just a brace-to-indentation preprocessor would be
> sufficient.
Nope never.
Because that would destroy one of the most importa
On 26 Dec 2005 04:10:11 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think you can't call an editor python capable unless it
> > shows you clearly hard (yuck)or soft tabs like View /
> > Show Invisibles in textmate, View / view whitespace in
> > komodo.
>
> Zeus for Windows has this Vi
No, it is that simple. You don't want it to be is all.
Robert
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> i think you can't call an editor python capable unless it
> shows you clearly hard (yuck)or soft tabs like View /
> Show Invisibles in textmate, View / view whitespace in
> komodo.
Zeus for Windows has this View / View whitespace feature:
http://www.zeusedit.com
Note: Zeus is shareware (4
Robert Hicks wrote:
> I disagree...I don't think the whitespace rule will ever be
> "optional". Why would it be so? If someone doesn't like it...choose
> another language. It is that simple really.
> Robert
It's not that simple.
But let's simply await.
We will know in 2 years.
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I disagree...I don't think the whitespace rule will ever be "optional".
Why would it be so? If someone doesn't like it...choose another
language. It is that simple really.
Robert
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Larry Bates wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
>>Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
>>whitespace rules?
Of course.
I estimate it will take around 1 to 2 years from now, until this
whitespace-concept will become optionally.
Backwards-compatibility will be kept, thus those wh
"Lee Harr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On 2005-12-23, Gary Herron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You've got the visible/invisible aspect of things
> > *exactly* backwards.
> > The point on a line of text where things change
> > from white space to
> > non-white spa
On 24 Dec 2005 18:36:32 -0800, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My original post was based on reading on Pythons developer list that it
> was seriously considering some alternate grouping scheme, just because
> "so many people keep asking". But, it seems that never happened.
>
> As for me, I'm not
My original post was based on reading on Pythons developer list that it
was seriously considering some alternate grouping scheme, just because
"so many people keep asking". But, it seems that never happened.
As for me, I'm not suggesting that braces are better than indentation.
In fact, requiring
Lee Harr wrote:
> On 2005-12-23, Gary Herron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You've got the visible/invisible aspect of things
> > *exactly* backwards.
> > The point on a line of text where things change
> > from white space to
> > non-white space is *highly* visible. The several
> > pixels that re
Lee Harr wrote:
> On 2005-12-23, Gary Herron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You've got the visible/invisible aspect of things
> > *exactly* backwards.
> > The point on a line of text where things change
> > from white space to
> > non-white space is *highly* visible. The several
> > pixels that re
On 2005-12-23, Gary Herron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You've got the visible/invisible aspect of things
> *exactly* backwards.
> The point on a line of text where things change
> from white space to
> non-white space is *highly* visible. The several
> pixels that represent a
> { or } are nearl
James Tanis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> syntax. Honestly I wonder how so many coders actually came to be
> interested in the field -- one that pretty much thrives in part on its
> neverending ability to vary, grow, and change -- if something so small
> can warrant so much attention.
An obs
>That's hardly Python's fault. That's a problem with lousy browsers,
>editors etc. which add word-wrapping or remove whitespace. >Complain to the
>browser developers.
While I have no doubt that there are lousy browsers out there, the
problem is not only with browsers, but also I agree with you its
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:31:55 -0800, thakadu wrote:
> I consider myself a fairly experienced Python coder and although I am
> not "uncomfortable" with significant whitespace there are a few places
> where I do find it annoying and I wouldnt mind an alternate block
> delimitation syntax. I would pr
"thakadu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I consider myself a fairly experienced Python coder and although I am
> not "uncomfortable" with significant whitespace there are a few places
> where I do find it annoying and I wouldnt mind an alternate block
> delimitation syntax.
The problem with that i
thakadu wrote:
> I consider myself a fairly experienced Python coder and although I am
> not "uncomfortable" with significant whitespace there are a few places
> where I do find it annoying and I wouldnt mind an alternate block
> delimitation syntax. I would prefer something like the ruby "end"
>
James Tanis wrote:
>Honestly I wonder how so many coders actually came to be
> interested in the field -- one that pretty much thrives in part on its
> neverending ability to vary, grow, and change -- if something so small
> can warrant so much attention.
>
That is what a "cafe" type newsgroup is
On 23 Dec 2005 15:22:39 -0800, thakadu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is not really unique to Python as I have pointed out on this or
> other forums before. The Occam (OCCAM?) language also uses significant
> whitespace in much the same way as Python and there may also be others.
>
Your right of
thakadu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is not really unique to Python as I have pointed out on this or
> other forums before. The Occam (OCCAM?) language also uses significant
> whitespace in much the same way as Python and there may also be others.
Haskell. Rules not identical to Python (they
On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:22:39 -0800, thakadu wrote:
> It is not really unique to Python as I have pointed out on this or
> other forums before. The Occam (OCCAM?) language also uses significant
> whitespace in much the same way as Python and there may also be others.
Python doesn't have any more s
The PEP is not a joke. It's a sensible set of guidelines. The blog post
advocating enforcement is, shall we say, a sportive modest proposal?
rpd
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Gary Herron wrote:
> rbt wrote:
>
>> BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What's needed is STRICTER whitespace enforcement, especially on April
>>> Fools Day. Some call it whitespace fascism.
>>>
>>> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=101968
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I've only been coding Py
rbt wrote:
>BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>
>
>>What's needed is STRICTER whitespace enforcement, especially on April
>>Fools Day. Some call it whitespace fascism.
>>
>>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=101968
>>
>>
>>
>
>I've only been coding Python for about 3 years now. C is th
Joe wrote:
>Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
>whitespace rules? I recall reading that Python might include such a
>feature. Or, maybe just a brace-to-indentation preprocessor would be
>sufficient.
>
>
Only over our dead bodies! ("our" = the large and
always gro
I consider myself a fairly experienced Python coder and although I am
not "uncomfortable" with significant whitespace there are a few places
where I do find it annoying and I wouldnt mind an alternate block
delimitation syntax. I would prefer something like the ruby "end"
though rather than '{' an
BartlebyScrivener wrote:
> What's needed is STRICTER whitespace enforcement, especially on April
> Fools Day. Some call it whitespace fascism.
>
> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=101968
>
I've only been coding Python for about 3 years now. C is the only other
language I'm mode
It is not really unique to Python as I have pointed out on this or
other forums before. The Occam (OCCAM?) language also uses significant
whitespace in much the same way as Python and there may also be others.
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On 23 Dec 2005 10:01:37 -0800, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It just seems that
> Python developers think the whitespace thing is only an issue for
> newbies. I think that many experienced users don't learn to like it,
> but instead just learn to live with it.
I disagree, I don't think you can
What's needed is STRICTER whitespace enforcement, especially on April
Fools Day. Some call it whitespace fascism.
http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=101968
rpd
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:51:23 -0700
Dave Benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> +1 on the preprocessor idea, especially if it would allow
> us to hook in at the AST level as well. (No comment on
> the curlies. ;)
Only +0 on it myself, but I do know of a use-case -- certain
types of web-templating f
"Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
> whitespace rules? I recall reading that Python might include such a
> feature. Or, maybe just a brace-to-indentation preprocessor would be
> sufficient.
>
> Many
Alex Martelli wrote:
> The main reason I suggest a general-purpose mechanism for the hooking-up
> of the preprocessor is that such a mechanism might stand a chance to be
> accepted (via the usual PEP procedure), as long as other interesting use
> cases can be found; I suspect that if the only use c
Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
> whitespace rules?
No, never (even apart from the "its" vs "it's" issue here...;-).
> I recall reading that Python might include such a
> feature.
And I recall reading that Elvis is still alive
Joe wrote:
> Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
> whitespace rules? I recall reading that Python might include such a
> feature. Or, maybe just a brace-to-indentation preprocessor would be
> sufficient.
>
> Many people think Python's syntax makes sense. There are st
Is Python going to support s syntax the does not use it's infamous
whitespace rules? I recall reading that Python might include such a
feature. Or, maybe just a brace-to-indentation preprocessor would be
sufficient.
Many people think Python's syntax makes sense. There are strong
feelings both ways
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