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If I get time I'll expand my thoughts and experiences but for now,
Don't know what Ruby on Rails is but it's catchy and current high volume of
interest makes me think - I should look into it. Django, skip reading this
thread before and I had not even picked up it was a Python product (still
don'
Andrew Gwozdziewycz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Douglas Alan wrote:
>> Ruby didn't start catching on until Ruby on Rails came out. If
>> Python has a naming problem, it's with the name of Django, rather
>> than Python. Firstly, Django doesn't have "Python" in the name, so
>> it doesn't popula
The name isn't changing, so it's a "make lemonade" situation.
What's the best use we can make of the name; how do we make it stick in
people's minds positively? How do we make a positive image out of it?
Shy tadpoles, by the way, ( http://python.org/images/python-logo.gif )
isn't it.
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"Tim Parkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> Well, why don't we promote it as PyPI (Python Package Index)? The url
>> _is_ python.org/pypi, and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that PyPI
>> was the intended name... If the community then decides on some
>> standardiz
Benny wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
>
>> Bizarre names may be cute (to some people) but they don't lend
>> themselves to guessing or searching. Consequently, people who want
>> answers yesterday aren't likely to be amused to eventually discover
>> that the name of the resource they've been looking f
Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:
> > To emphasize the point as a newbie: I know what CPAN is. I would go to
>
>>the Vaults of Parnassus for Python stuff. But Cheese Shop?
>>
>
>
> Well, why don't we promote it as PyPI (Python Package Index)? The url
> _is_ python.org/pypi, and I'm pretty sure I read
> To emphasize the point as a newbie: I know what CPAN is. I would go to
> the Vaults of Parnassus for Python stuff. But Cheese Shop?
>
Well, why don't we promote it as PyPI (Python Package Index)? The url
_is_ python.org/pypi, and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that PyPI
was the intended name.
Paul Boddie wrote:
> Bizarre names may be cute (to some people) but they don't lend
> themselves to guessing or searching. Consequently, people who want
> answers yesterday aren't likely to be amused to eventually discover
> that the name of the resource they've been looking for is some opaque,
>
Paul Boddie wrote:
> John Pote wrote:
>
>>Over this side of the pond the good old British Post Office changed its name
>>to 'Consignia' in 2001.
>
>
> I thought it was actually the Royal Mail, but the brand history can be
> found here:
>
> http://www.royalmailgroup.com/aboutus/aboutus8.asp
>
>
John Pote wrote:
>
> Over this side of the pond the good old British Post Office changed its name
> to 'Consignia' in 2001.
I thought it was actually the Royal Mail, but the brand history can be
found here:
http://www.royalmailgroup.com/aboutus/aboutus8.asp
The fact that people confuse "Royal Ma
Terry Hancock wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:44:55 +1100
> Tim Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I think that Glykon should be invited to be the sponsoring
>>divinity for PyCon next year. I hear that worship of pagan
>>gods is, like everything else, bigger in Texas.
>
>
> Ignoring the sil
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:44:55 +1100
Tim Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Glykon should be invited to be the sponsoring
> divinity for PyCon next year. I hear that worship of pagan
> gods is, like everything else, bigger in Texas.
Ignoring the silly Python jokes, *is* PyCON going t
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 19:33:38 -0500
"Thomas G. Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/9/06, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:33:12 -0500
> > "Thomas G. Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I get particulalry annoyed now with linux when I start
> > > up s
> It's not too late to rename the cheese shop though.
> (We don't need even more stink...)
What kind of cheese do you guys eat anyway ;-)
It's not the names that are the problem as far as markleing goes - they
are not dull names, which means they won't be forgotten. This is a good
thing! As is th
Magnus Lycka wrote:
> rtilley wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer.
>> Think about it... if you found a Ruby, you'd pick it up and put it in
>> your pocket. If you ran across a Python, you'd run away.
>
>
> I think you have a point, but I also think
Kay Schluehr wrote:
> Magnus Lycka wrote:
>
>> They do this on purpose in the U.S. A country full
>> of religious fanatics, where it's impossible to be
>> elected president unless you claim that you are a
>> devoted Christian and say "God bless America" every
>> time you open your mouth.
>
> Mayb
Magnus Lycka wrote:
> They do this on purpose in the U.S. A country full
> of religious fanatics, where it's impossible to be
> elected president unless you claim that you are a
> devoted Christian and say "God bless America" every
> time you open your mouth.
Maybe Pythonistas should make a cultu
...In any case, I'm sure Django was a great musician, but theproduct needs a better name to have any chance of displacing Rails.
|>oug
Yes he was an amazing guitarist. If you ever listen to his stuff, keep
in mind he had 2 working fingers on his fret hand, and ripping on a
guitar that would be con
"Steve Holden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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This thread was great entertainment at the end of today reading down the
screen with a beer going down on the side. Here's my penny's worth:
Over this side of the pond the good old British Post Office changed its name
Python is a friendly name, like Mickey Mouse. If you saw a real mouse
(or worse, a rat), you wouldn't likely fall in love with it; but Mickey
is about as good a marketing icon as any in history.
Python also has staying power. Snakes may be scary and even dangerous,
but they get respect; think abou
> I agree that names are very important -- Java would never have caught
> on the way that it did if Sun had left the name as "Oak". I think
> you're wrong about the name "Python", though. Snakes are cool and
> have street cred. That's why there are cars with names like "Cobra"
> and "Viper".
>
>
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:21:59 +0100
Magnus Lycka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not too late to rename the cheese shop though.
> (We don't need even more stink...)
I love cheese, so no problem on that score. But the
problem is, if you actually know where "Python" comes
from, you are likely to su
Felipe Almeida Lessa wrote:
> Em Qui, 2006-03-09 às 09:51 +, Steve Holden escreveu:
>
>>I've been thinking (and blogging) about python evangelism since PyCon,
>>as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:
>>
>> http://www.squidoo.com/pythonlogy
>
Douglas Alan wrote:
> Ruby didn't start catching on until Ruby on Rails came out. If Python
> has a naming problem, it's with the name of Django, rather than
> Python. Firstly, Django doesn't have "Python" in the name, so it
> doesn't popularize the language behind it, even should Django become
>
Robert Boyd wrote:
> And re Cheeseshop, yes, it's a poor name when you consider that the
> point of the skit was that the cheeseshop _had no cheese_, whose only
> purpose was to "deliberately waste your time." Not a great name for a
> package library, especially for those in the know of Python humo
Magnus Lycka wrote:
> That doesn't make Python easier to sell here...
verkligen? jag kan inte påminna mig om att någon någonsin langat
upp det argumentet, annat än möjligen som ett tamt skämt...
(borde du inte vara ute på stan och svira, förresten, istället för att
sitta på jobbet så här sent?
rtilley wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>
>> Doug Bromley wrote:
>>
>>> I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
>
>
> I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer. Think
> about it... if you found a Ruby, you'd pick it up and put it in your
> p
On Mar 9, 2006, at 12:04 PM, rtilley wrote:
> What do you think of when you hear 'eggs'? Many people think 'rotten',
> 'smelly' or something that made them throw-up once. The point of
> this is
> that names _matter_ and influence what others think even if only in a
> subconscious way.
I think y
Steve Holden wrote:
> I've been thinking (and blogging) about python evangelism since PyCon,
> as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:
>
> Any suggestions for improvement?
Something that seems to be ignored in general Python evangelism is its
support for major
rtilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Steve Holden wrote:
>> Doug Bromley wrote:
>>> I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
> I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer.
I agree that names are very important -- Java would never have caught
On 3/9/06, rtilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
> > I agree with you here, though. I want to be diplomatic here, but Cheese
> > Shop - a name for a package repository, for those who are lost already
> > - is really just a totally stupid name. Yes, I'm aware of the Monty
> > Pytho
Paul Boddie wrote:
> I agree with you here, though. I want to be diplomatic here, but Cheese
> Shop - a name for a package repository, for those who are lost already
> - is really just a totally stupid name. Yes, I'm aware of the Monty
> Python sketch, mediocre by the high standards of the Pythons'
rtilley wrote:
> It would be a smashing success.
And I have an idea for a party game. It's called "Jump to Conclusions."
There would be a mat with all of these conclusions written down and...
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rtilley wrote:
> Steve Holden wrote:
> > Doug Bromley wrote:
> >> I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
>
> I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer. Think
> about it... if you found a Ruby, you'd pick it up and put it in your
> pocket. If
Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:
> What would changing the name of language you're
> trying to market do for the marketing campaign?
I forgot to address this part... I think it would create a lot of hype.
What well-established programming language has ever had the nerve to
change its name after more
Andrew Gwozdziewycz wrote:
> On 3/9/06, rtilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>>Doug Bromley wrote:
>>>
I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
>>
>>I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer. Think
>>about it... if you found a Ruby, yo
I used to get all fired up about the language I love. And I'd
evangelize a bit. But I'm getting too old for that. Energy could be
better spent utilizing the tools you like. Sort of a "If you build it,
they will come..." kind of thing.
I get particulalry annoyed now with linux when I start up syna
Em Qui, 2006-03-09 às 09:51 +, Steve Holden escreveu:
> I've been thinking (and blogging) about python evangelism since PyCon,
> as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:
>
>http://www.squidoo.com/pythonlogy
>
> Imagine my surprise at discovering that this
Dale Strickland-Clark wrote:
> rtilley wrote:
>
>
>>Psychology is important. Just as important as good design. I think this
>>fact doesn't sink in to the Python community.
>
>
> You speak of fluff and ribbons and glitter.
Yes, I know. Great products, ideas and methods have lost mind share to
On 3/9/06, rtilley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Doug Bromley wrote:
> >> I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
>
> I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer. Think
> about it... if you found a Ruby, you'd pick it up and put it in your
> p
Steve Holden wrote:
> Any suggestions for improvement?
>
> regards
> Steve
Get rid of the scarey face?
:-)
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rtilley wrote:
> Psychology is important. Just as important as good design. I think this
> fact doesn't sink in to the Python community.
You speak of fluff and ribbons and glitter.
I think most people here are less concerned with psychology and more
interested in pychology.
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Steve Holden wrote:
> Doug Bromley wrote:
>> I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
I think it's the name. Python. Let's change it to something nicer. Think
about it... if you found a Ruby, you'd pick it up and put it in your
pocket. If you ran across a Python, y
Doug Bromley wrote:
> I can see Ruby overtaking Python if we don't ALL do something about it.
on the other hand, people have posted "I can see XXX overtaking Python if we
don't ALL do something about it NOW" messages for as long as I've been using
Python.
the best thing I've seen in the recent "
que: start telling people why *you* use it.
regards
Steve
> On 9 Mar 2006 02:43:53 -0800, *Gerard Flanagan* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Steve Holden wrote:
> > I've been thinking (and blogging) ab
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> as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:>>http://www.squidoo.com/pythonlogy>> Imagine my surprise at discovering that this has gone up in rank (by
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Steve Holden wrote:
> I've been thinking (and blogging) about python evangelism since PyCon,
> as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:
>
>http://www.squidoo.com/pythonlogy
>
> Imagine my surprise at discovering that this has gone up in rank (by
> number of view
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been thinking (and blogging) about python evangelism since PyCon,
> as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:
>
>http://www.squidoo.com/pythonlogy
>
> Imagine my surpris
I've been thinking (and blogging) about python evangelism since PyCon,
as a result of which I created a squidoo lens:
http://www.squidoo.com/pythonlogy
Imagine my surprise at discovering that this has gone up in rank (by
number of views) from # 442,000 or so to #153! Clearly there&#
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