On Friday, October 31, 2014 10:10:33 AM UTC-7, Seymore4Head wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:44:01 -0400, Seymore4Head
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
> >>learn Pyth
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 11:44:01 -0400, Seymore4Head
wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
>wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
>>not too much.
>>
>>Doe
I use Chris Roffey's "Coding Club - Python Basics (Level 1)" and "Coding Club -
Python: Next Steps (Level 2)"
I also use the Turtle material from "Python for Kids"
These are 11+ year old kids in week long, 3 hour/day summer camps on the
Raspberry Pi and Python.
The Level 2 book is for the 2nd cam
On 9/29/2014 9:18 AM, Gabor Urban wrote:
Hi,
my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
not too much.
Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
Python has a turtle module, so they can continue w
I am actually teaching Python as a side job. My students have ranged from
eighth graders, up to a Silicon Valley hardware engineer who had no coding
experience, but who needed to do some test engineering.
My wife is an elementary school teacher. We occasionally talk about
age-appropriate
On 29 September 2014 14:18:31 BST, Gabor Urban wrote:
>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics,
>bat
>not too much.
>
>Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
"How to Think Like a Computer Scient
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:18:31 +0200, Gabor Urban
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
>learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
>not too much.
>
>Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
I ordered this book from the l
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/
>
> The official tutorial for an 11 year old?? I dont think so...
I don't see why not, to be honest. Not a lot of difference between his
11yo son and my 12yo sister, and I just pointed her at the tutorial
On Monday, September 29, 2014 6:59:10 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Gabor Urban wrote:
> > my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to learn
> > Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat not too
> > much.
>
Gabor Urban wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
> learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
> not too much.
>
> Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
The Internet is a big place, I always start by searching :-)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Gabor Urban wrote:
> my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to learn
> Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat not too
> much.
>
> Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
Right here:
https://docs.python.org
Hi,
my 11 years old son and his classmate told me, that they would like to
learn Python. They did some programming in Logo and turtle graphics, bat
not too much.
Doesn anybody has an idea how to start?
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On 14/04/2014 01:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
but the powers that be deem fit not
to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:13 AM, alex23 wrote:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
>
> If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
> summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
> enough text of the original to give a context. This will mak
On 11/04/2014 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
"Please always top post!"
What I was very gently and
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 00:54:02 +0100, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> but the powers that be deem fit not
> to take any action over.
There is no Internet police. Which is a good thing, for if there were,
this sort of criticism of the Internet police is exactly the sort of
thing that would bring down their
On 13/04/2014 23:51, Rhodri James wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yours
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:20:05 +0100, wrote:
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an
all-to-common
situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like
yourself.
People who say "I can't be bothe
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:19:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
> For the rest, Im not sure that you need my help in making a fool of
> yourself... Anyway since you are requesting said help, here goes:
Very strong words.
>> On
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:50:05 AM UTC+5:30, pete.b...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
>
> > It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> > situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like your
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:40:22 PM UTC-7, Rhodri James wrote:
> It's called irony, and unfortunately Mark is reacting to an all-to-common
> situation that GoogleGroups foists on unsuspecting posters like yourself.
People who say "I can't be bothered to correct this" while posting a wise a
On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:04:28 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved posting was
> required, but there's only so many times you can tell people off for
> being rude before you start coming across as rude yourself.
> It's one of those
On 4/10/14 10:54 AM, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
Dear List
Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
(Geographic Information Systems).
Adults? ... what age ranges?
Their knowledge of programming is
zero. The objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS s
On 4/10/14 3:52 PM, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, you're
not funny.
Mark is the c.l.python resident margin police. Think of him as a welcome
committee with an attitude.
:)
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On 10/04/2014 21:52, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Tim Chase
wrote:
> On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
>> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
>> >> bad advice.
>> >
>> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever d
On 2014-04-11 11:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your
> >> code, just comment it out". I don't care who's saying that, it's
> >> bad advice.
> >
> > The correct analogy: "Dont ever delete content from the
> > repository"
>
> No -- the
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:46:05 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>
>>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>>>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:01:46 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
> wrote:
>> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain
>> to an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where
>> someone (usually an engineer like myse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
>> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
>> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
>> and she was penalized.
>
> Citation please. I think this is bogu
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:54:23 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> What I am pointing out is that if one gets so besotted with irritation
> as to lose coherence, its unlikely that any useful communication will
> ensue.
This, a million times.
If all we do is be curmudgeons who complain about GG's poor post
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 22:42:14 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> In middle-eastern society women are expected to dress heavier than in
> the West. A few years ago a girl went to school in France with a scarf
> and she was penalized.
Citation please. I think this is bogus, although given how obnoxious som
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:46 PM, alister
wrote:
> Right up to the point when someone forwards on an internal email chain to
> an external customer without bothering to prune out the bit where someone
> (usually an engineer like myself) has stated (bluntly) that what the
> salesman is proposing wil
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 06:34:46 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote:
>
> It's not necessarily a bad idea to retain context in corporate emails.
> Messages tend to get forwarded to people other than the original
> recipient(s), and the context can be very helpful.
>
Right up to the point when someone forwards on
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> It is, in a way, the corporate equivalent of "RTFM", only enshrined as
> normal practice rather than seen as a deliberate put-down of somebody who
> hasn't done their homework. And because it's normal practice, even those
> who know better
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 23:39:24 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico
> wrote:
[...]
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand email.
>> That's equivalent to being told "Don't ever delete any of your code,
>> just comment it out". I don't care
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:37:22 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not
> told: "Please always top post!"
That's only because they are ignorant of the terminology of top- bottom-
and interleaved posting. If they knew the term, they would sa
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
>> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
>> actually required it. Not one.
>
>
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 13:59:00 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
> I have seen plenty of cultures where people are unaware of the value of
> interleaved/bottom posting, but so far, not one where anyone has
> actually required it. Not one.
I've been in plenty of mailing list forums where interleaved pos
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Just to make it clear:
> 1. I have no objection to the python list culture.
> As I said I tend to follow it in places where it is not the norm and get
> chided for it
> [For the record on other groups which are exclusively GG/gmail based
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> People whose familiarity with religion is limited to the Judeo-Christian
> tradition are inclined to the view (usually implicit) that
> "being religious" == "belief in God"
> However there are religions where belief in God is irreligious -- Jai
On Friday, April 11, 2014 11:12:14 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote:
> On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > Also unhelpful is to suggest that norms should, simply *because* they
> > are the prevailing practice, be maintained. Even if everyone else on
> > python-li
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
> That depends on what the mail is being used for. For instance there's
> a difference between mail-as-dialogue and mail-as-business-process.
> In the former it is normal, even polite, to prune as the topic evolves
> and past quotations become les
On Friday, April 11, 2014 10:41:26 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> > "Please always top post!"
> >
> > What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> >
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Paul Rudin wrote:
> Chris Angelico writes:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>>
>> Then you were told that by someone who does not understand emai
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont dele
Chris Angelico writes:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
>> "Please always top post!"
>>
>> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
>> "Please dont delete mail context"
>
> Then you we
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Right. Its true that when I was at a fairly large corporate, I was not told:
> "Please always top post!"
>
> What I was very gently and super politely told was:
> "Please dont delete mail context"
Then you were told that by someone who does no
On Friday, April 11, 2014 9:29:00 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
>
> > There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> > top posting is the norm, eg
>
> > - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of g
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> There are cultures -- far more pervasive than USENET in 2014 -- where
> top posting is the norm, eg
> - Gmail makes top posting the norm. Compare the figures of gmail and Usenet
> users
> - Corporate cultures more or less require top posting -
"Rhodri James" writes:
> Sorry your post was the straw to break the camel's back this week, but
> it is a complete pain to the rest of us. I have more than once
> considered getting my reader to automatically discard anything with
> "@googlegroups.com" in the message ID just to reduce the aggrava
On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:10:22 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> Sorry your post was the straw to break the camel's back this week, but it
> is a complete pain to the rest of us. I have more than once considered
> getting my reader to automatically discard anything with
> "@googlegroups.
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:52:53 +0100, wrote:
Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it ju
>
> Just awesome, not only do we have double line spacing and single line
>
> paragraphs, we've also got top posting, oh boy am I a happy bunny :)
>
> I'll leave someone3 else to explain, I just can't be bothered.
>
>
Do you get paid to be a jerk, or is it just for yuks? If the latter, yo
On 10/04/2014 18:53, pete.bee@gmail.com wrote:
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday the
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:24:48 PM UTC+5:30, Lalitha Prasad K wrote:
> Dear List
>
> Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
> (Geographic Information Systems). Their knowledge of programming is zero. The
> objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS
Don't underestimate the value of morale. Python is a scripting language. You
don't need to teach them very much python to get something working, and you can
always revisit the initial code and refactor it for better coding hygiene.
Someday they might have jobs, and be required to learn things i
Dear List
Recently I was requested to teach python to a group of students of GIS
(Geographic Information Systems). Their knowledge of programming is zero.
The objective is to enable them to write plug-ins for GIS software like
QGIS and ArcGIS. It would require them to learn, besides core python, P
In article ,
Neil Cerutti wrote:
>On 2013-12-17, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> I would really like to see good quality statistics about bugs
>> per program written in different languages. I expect that, for
>> all we like to make fun of COBOL, it probably has few bugs per
>> unit-of-useful-work-don
In article <20131216213225.2006b30246e3a08ee241a...@gmx.net>,
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>> > And ever after that experience, I avoided all languages that were
>> > even remotely similar to C, such as C++, Java, C#, Javascript, PHP
>> > etc.
>>
>> I think that's disappointing, for two reasons. First
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:38:51 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
> Does anybody ever use D? I looked at it a few years ago. It seemed
> like a very good concept. Sort of C++, with the worst of the crap torn
> out. If nothing else, with the preprocessor torn out :-)
>
> Did it ever go anywhere?
Apparently
On 12/20/13 6:58 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On 20 Dec 2013 02:16:05 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
declaimed the following:
2) Even for kernel developers, I believe that systems languages should be
safe by default. You ought to have to explicitly disable (say) bounds
checking in critical sections of
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:38:51 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
> In article <52b328f7$0$6512$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
> Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> Correct. The *great deal of trouble* part is important. Things which
>> are the responsibility of the language and compiler in (say) Java, D,
>>
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:38:51 -, Roy Smith wrote:
I disagree entirely (but respectfully). If you want to get down to the
hardware where you can fiddle bits, you want as little getting between
you and the silicon as possible. Every time you add a safety feature,
you put another layer of *st
In article <52b328f7$0$6512$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Correct. The *great deal of trouble* part is important. Things which are
> the responsibility of the language and compiler in (say) Java, D, Rust,
> Go, etc. are the responsibility of the programmer with
In article <52b365b6$0$6512$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com>,
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[some stuff]
> where Unix went, so did C;
[some more stuff]
What he said.
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 04:50:54 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> If C is such a crap language, what does it says for the thousands of
> languages that never got anywhere? Or did C simply have a far larger
> sales and marketing budget? :)
The sociology of computer languages is a fascinating topic. Like
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
> A piece of code such as
>
>for (i = 0; i < numThings; i++)
> total[i] += things[i];
>
> is NOT improved by rewriting it as
>
>for (theLoopIndex = 0; theLoopIndex < numThings; theLoopIndex++)
> total[theLoopIndex] += things
Wolfgang Keller wrote:
In fact, thinking of it, a really good language should imho *require*
verbosity (how about a *minimum* length - or maybe even a
dictionary-based sanity check - for identifiers?), since that already
keeps all those lazy morons away who think that "shortcuts are cool".
No,
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote:
> And another thing: How many other languages have their very own
> calling convention?
Pascal does (sometimes called the Win32 convention).
ChrisA
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On 2013-12-19, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> But why is so much non-performance critical code written in C?
>> Why so many user-space applications?
>
> Very good question! I don't have an answer. There are a few
> "maybe-answers", but they mos
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> But why is so much non-performance critical code written in C? Why so
> many user-space applications?
Very good question! I don't have an answer. There are a few
"maybe-answers", but they mostly come down to "programmer didn't know
of a vi
> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:46:26 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> > rusi wrote:
> > > Soon the foo has to split into foo1.c and foo2.c. And suddenly you need
> > > to
> > > understand:
> > > 1. Separate compilation
> > > 2. Make (which is separate from 'separate compilation')
> > > 3. H
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Should some implementation decide to compile that away as dead
> code, it would be perfectly allowed to. (Well, assuming that it
> determined first that locals() actually was the built-in and not some
> substitute, either by static analysis
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:15:30 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 18/12/2013 08:18, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>
>> The C99 standard lists 191 different kinds of undefined behavior,
>> including what happens when there is an unmatched ' or " on a line of
>> source code.
>>
>> No compile-time error, no ru
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:33:49 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 3:18 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> We don't know what locals()['spam'] = 42 will do inside a function,
>
> I am mystified that you would write this.
Context is everything. locals() doesn't just return any old dictionary.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:51:26 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano
>> wrote:
>>> You want to know why programs written in C are so often full of
>>> security holes? One reason is "undefined beha
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 19:51:26 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>> You want to know why programs written in C are so often full of
>> security holes? One reason is "undefined behaviour". The C language
>> doesn't give a damn about writing *cor
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 07:23:54 -0800, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 12/18/2013 12:18 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> And yes, I'm being pedantic.
>
> No, you're being an ass.
My my, it doesn't take much of a challenge to the Holy Church Of C to
bring out the personal attacks.
--
Steven
--
https://m
> > I've never heard C syntax reviled quite so intensely. What syntax
> > do you like, out of curiosity?
>
> Pascal, Python, if written by someone who uses semantic identifiers
> and avoids to use C(++)/Java-isms. I've seen Eiffel as well (without
> understanding it) and it didn't look ridiculous
> I find it frustrating that Pythonistas shy away from regex as much as
> they do.
I find regular expression syntax frustrating. >;->
As long as I have the choice, I still prefer syntax like e.g.
VerbalExpressions. That's made for actual humans like me.
Sincerely,
Wolfgang
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:41:00 +1300, Gregory Ewing
wrote:
But it's not above inferring a dereferencing
operation when you call a function via a
pointer. If f is a pointer to a function,
then
f(a)
is equivalent to
(*f)(a)
If the compiler can do that for function calls,
ther
Roy Smith wrote:
I suspect what you mean is, "There are some things that don't make sense
until you understand computer architecture".
An example of that kind of thing from a different
perspective: I learned Z80 assembly language by first
learning Z80 *machine* language (my homebrew computer
di
Dave Angel wrote:
C is a glorified macro assembler. So the -> operator is not analogous
to the dot operator, it's Syntactic sugar:
p-> a. Is really
(*p).a
But it's not above inferring a dereferencing
operation when you call a function via a
pointer. If f is a pointer to a function,
then
Roy Smith於 2013年12月19日星期四UTC+8下午12時16分26秒寫道：
> In article <07c6e6a3-c5f4-4846-9551-434bdaba8...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> rusi wrote:
>
>
>
> > Soon the foo has to split into foo1.c and foo2.c. And suddenly you need to
>
> > understand:
>
> >
>
> > 1. Separate compilation
>
> > 2. Make (wh
In article ,
Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Roy Smith wrote:
> > even
> > if you've got all the signatures of foo() in front of you, it can
> > sometimes be hard to figure out which one the compiler will pick.
>
> And conversely, sometimes the compiler will have a hard
> time figuring out which one y
Roy Smith wrote:
even
if you've got all the signatures of foo() in front of you, it can
sometimes be hard to figure out which one the compiler will pick.
And conversely, sometimes the compiler will have a hard
time figuring out which one you want it to pick!
I had an experience in Java recent
On 19/12/2013 05:09, rusi wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:20:54 AM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 19/12/2013 04:29, rusi wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:19:04 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:51:44 -, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
The only issue for me
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:20:54 AM UTC+5:30, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 19/12/2013 04:29, rusi wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:19:04 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:51:44 -, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> >>> The only issue for me was to figure out how
On 19/12/2013 04:29, rusi wrote:
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:19:04 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:51:44 -, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
The only issue for me was to figure out how to do in C what I already
knew in Pascal. And I had to waste a *lot* more time and ment
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:46:26 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> rusi wrote:
> > Soon the foo has to split into foo1.c and foo2.c. And suddenly you need to
> > understand:
> > 1. Separate compilation
> > 2. Make (which is separate from 'separate compilation')
> > 3. Header files and libra
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:19:04 AM UTC+5:30, Rhodri James wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:51:44 -, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> > The only issue for me was to figure out how to do in C what I already
> > knew in Pascal. And I had to waste a *lot* more time and mental effort
> > to mess with
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
> It's pretty common here to have people ask questions about how import
> works. How altering sys.path effects import. Why is import not finding
> my module? You quickly get into things like virtualenv, and now you've
> got modules coming from y
In article <07c6e6a3-c5f4-4846-9551-434bdaba8...@googlegroups.com>,
rusi wrote:
> Soon the foo has to split into foo1.c and foo2.c. And suddenly you need to
> understand:
>
> 1. Separate compilation
> 2. Make (which is separate from 'separate compilation')
> 3. Header files and libraries and t
On Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:10:53 AM UTC+5:30, Roy Smith wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I've always felt that there are features in C that don't make a lot of
> > sense until you've actually implemented a compiler -- at which point
> > it becomes a lot more obvious why some thing are done
On 19/12/2013 01:49, Roy Smith wrote:
In article ,
Mark Lawrence wrote:
I've never contemplated writing a compiler, let alone actually written
one. It's like the comments along the lines of "you can't call yourself
a programmer until you've mastered regular expressions".
Who makes comment
In article ,
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2013-12-18, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> > Well, okay. In C you can't have Foo.foo().
>
> If "Foo" is a structure with a field named "foo" that is a pointer to
> a function, then you can indeed "have" Foo.foo().
Sigh. This has gone off in a direction I ne
In article ,
Mark Lawrence wrote:
> I've never contemplated writing a compiler, let alone actually written
> one. It's like the comments along the lines of "you can't call yourself
> a programmer until you've mastered regular expressions".
Who makes comments like that? As far as I can tell,
In article ,
Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2013-12-18, Roy Smith wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Grant Edwards wrote:
> >
> >> Ideally, you should also have written at least one functioning
> >> compiler before learning C as well.
> >
> > Why? I've never written a compiler. I've written plenty of
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Rhodri James wrote:
> It's sounds like you made, and are carrying on making, one of the classic
> mistakes of software engineering
Never get into a flame war in Asia, and never go up against a C
programmer when segfaults are on the line!
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