me conflicts consider using verbs for methods and nouns for data
attributes"
This applies within and between. I opened
http://bugs.python.org/issue16048
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On 9/25/2012 4:07 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 9/25/2012 11:03 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Instance attributes override (shadow) class attributes.
except for (some? all?) special methods
Those names are shadowed too. If you call foo.__len__
If anything, it will make unicode more
alive and Python better suited for international applications.
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On 9/26/2012 4:45 AM, Dwight Hutto wrote:
Why do you keep repeating this rubbish when you've already been shot to
pieces?
I still feel intact, so whatever little shards of pain you intended to
emit were lost on my ego.
Uh, Dwight, he was not talking to you.
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ndows. Overall, Unicode is nearly as fast as bytes and 3.3 as fast as
3.2. Find/replace is the notable exception in stringbench, so it is an
anomaly. Other things are faster in 3.3.
I think this should be raised as a performance regression.
I agree, and Mark did it.
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are hot new people in other growing areas where Python is growing.
Computing for science, megadata, and education are not going away. Being
a glue language for numerical computing was Python's first killer
application nearly two decades ago, and it still is an important one.
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Efficiency and perhaps simpler implementation, especially for binary ops.
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r the hint parameter to limit
the bytes read. That is little harder to do with the iterator.
If you have any iterator of lines,
for line in lines: line.print()
is quite sufficient. There is little or no need for output limitation.
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unning one statement at a time. You can put
the cursor on a previous statement and hit return to make it the current
statement, where you can edit it. You edit normal multi-statement code
in edit windows, hit F5 to run, edit, run, edit, run.
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was unable to find one.
Don't know where written, but last 3.x bugfix about the time of
3.(x+1).0 and 3 years security is standard.
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ted that it would take awhile for them to see good, pythonic
uses. We obviously did okay without them up to 2.7.
They are partly informational, partly meant to help duck typing. I don't
think they are used much in the stdlib (except to register classes) and
I have not used them myself.
th an 'act human'
module seem more human to at least some humans than humans. Perhaps that
is because humans have to become bot-like to play UT well.
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success. Anyone
> any ideas on how to sort this out?
This is the longest outage I remember, but it is back up now. I am
reading and replying via gmane.
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None
...
class TestHeapPython(TestHeap):
module = py_heapq
@skipUnless(c_heapq, 'requires _heapq')
class TestHeapC(TestHeap):
module = c_heapq
...
def test_main(verbose=None):
test_classes = [TestModules, TestHeapPython, TestHeapC,
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On 10/3/2012 4:22 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
Indexing Python code is ugly. I suggest prefixing non-Python with $.
Indenting, meaning indenting the Python header lines but not non-Python
lines.
On 10/3/2012 1:24 PM, Jonathan Hayward wrote:
I am open to suggestions and patches. I don't
getting the data from hbase.
If you want as many people as possible to read your posts, stop using a
mail-agent and site that spits in the face of readers by doubling blank
lines each iteration. Alternatives have been discussed previously.
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10-20%) use try', applies here. For if/them versus
try/except, I don't worry too much about it.
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;automobile'? Thanks for your tips.
>>> pairs = [('car', 'automobile'), ('gem', 'jewel')]
>>> pairs[0][0]
'car'
>>> pairs[1][1]
'jewel'
>>> for a,b in pairs: a,b
('car', 'automobile')
('gem', 'jewel')
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t way. See the example below.
Unpacking is for when you have known-length iterables. For instance,
enumerate produces pairs.
>>> for i, v in enumerate('abc'):
print('Item {} is {}.'.format(i, v))
Item 0 is a.
Item 1 is b.
Item 2 is c.
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print(' '.join((tup1,tup2,tup3,tup4,tup5)))
>>>
Project Gutenberg has 36000 free ebooks for Kindle Android iPad
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;from decimal import Decimal as D; a = D('1.0'); b
= D('0.99')")
[0.14685526219517442, 0.12909696344064514, 0.12646059371189722]
A factor of 3, as S. Krah, the cdecimal author, claimed
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Paul Rubin's list(gfunc(prefix, lst)) is similar in execution.
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author did not use 'ws' as would have once been common.
So when I saw this `wsample` function, I considered it a improper
name. Because `wsample`makes me think of `random.sample`, which
returns a list of randomly generated elements, not a element.
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, idiomatic python in that it separates
interleaving from creating a list. In many situations, creating a list
from the interleaved stream will not be needed.
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etting, setting, and
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you normally should not catch.
>>> BaseException
This catches everything, but signals that doing so is probably intentional.
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"", line 1, in
','.join([None])
TypeError: sequence item 0: expected str instance, NoneType found
>>> ','.join([])
''
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27;__new__', '__reduce__', '__reduce_ex__',
'__repr__', '__setattr__', '__setstate__', '__sizeof__', '__str__',
'__subclasshook__', '__suppress_context__', '__traceback__', 'args',
'with_traceback']
>>> Exception('abc', 1)
Exception('abc', 1)
So class MyError(Exception) will get that basic default behavior. For
fancier printing, one needs a fancier .__str__ method ;-).
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readers should collapse threads to a single line and allow you to mark
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s.append(f(item))
res
<==>
[f(item) for item in source]
Matrix multiplication does not fit the pattern above. The reduction is
number addition rather than list appending.
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On 10/17/2012 3:13 AM, rusi wrote:
On Oct 17, 10:22 am, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 10/16/2012 9:54 PM, Kevin Anthony wrote:
I've been teaching myself list comprehension, and i've run across
something i'm not able to convert.
My response is to the part Kevin could *not* convert, n
least all built-in
types observe this behavior,
str, bytes, bytearrays, arrays, sets, frozensets, dicts, dictviews, and
ranges should all return len in O(1) time. That includes the possibility
of a subtraction as indicated above.
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On 10/18/2012 3:18 PM, Prasad, Ramit wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
On 10/18/2012 1:23 PM, Demian Brecht wrote:
When len() is called passing an immutable built-in type (such as a
string), I'd assume that the overhead in doing so is simply a function
call and there are no on-call calculations
On 10/18/2012 2:42 PM, Demian Brecht wrote:
Awesome. Pretty much what I figured. Of course, I'll have to dig around
the source just to confirm this with my own eyes (more just curiosity
than anything),
If you do, please followup with a report.
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ned. IE, you would have to set the
'global_var' in the doctext code itself.
>>> def function():
... if global_var: return [1,2]
... else: return [1,2,3]
>>> global_var = True
>>>function()
[1,2]
>>> global_var = False
>>> function()
[1,2,3]
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lf-x
>>> help(C.__call__)
Help on function __call__ in module __main__:
__call__(self, x)
return the difference between self and x
Similarly for builtin methods you actually need to know about
>>> help(list.append)
Help on method_descriptor:
append(...)
L.append(obj
yields. Replace 'flat_yield(t)' with
for item in flat_yield(t):
yield item
and the output is what you want.
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ce single characters (letters) with single
characters (digits), use maketrans and translate.
>>> 'a b c'.translate(str.maketrans('abc', '123'))
'1 2 3'
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Keep in mind that any new syntax has to be a substantial improvement in
some sense or make something new possible. There was no new syntax in
3.2 and very little in 3.3.
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On 10/25/2012 6:50 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:52:31 +0200, Thomas Rachel wrote:
Am 25.10.2012 06:50 schrieb Terry Reedy:
Keep in mind that any new syntax has to be a substantial improvement in
some sense or make something new possible. There was no new syntax i
tset is the correct approach,
I'll need it to implement those operations, or their equivalents in
terms of union and intersection.)
Or do I need to drop into C for this?
If I wanted 1000s of fast limited-length bitsets, I would consider using
Cython to make an extension class.
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nan = float('nan')
>>> nan is nan
True
>>> nan == nan
False
>>> nanlist = [nan]
>>> nan in nanlist
True
>>> nanlist.index(nan)
0
Containment of nan in collection is tested by is, not ==.
>>> nan2 = float('nan')
>>>
On 10/25/2012 10:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:04:52 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
It is a consequence of the following, which some people (but not all)
believe is mandated by the IEEE standard.
>>> nan = float('nan')
>>> nan is nan
On 10/25/2012 10:19 PM, MRAB wrote:
On 2012-10-26 03:04, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 10/25/2012 9:46 PM, mambokn...@gmail.com wrote:
a = [float('nan'), 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
a
[nan, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
a.index(float('nan'))
This is a second nan obje
On 10/26/2012 11:26 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 03:54:02 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 10/25/2012 10:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:04:52 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
It is a consequence of the following, which some people (but not all)
On 10/26/2012 12:23 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 04:00:03 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
This inconsistency is an intentional decision to
not propagate the insanity of nan != nan to Python collections.
That's a value judgement about NANs which is not shared by everyo
ordered' ((), {}) 0.724609 sec
'comprehension' ((), {}) 0.098318 sec
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worlds,
or also physical worlds.
Even mathematically, I do not think there necessarily a problem with
mutable collections. The fact that sets are defined by content does not
mean that everything has to be.
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e a custom .__setattr__ that
prevents changes thereafter.
If you want the class itself to be immutable (after creation), write a
custom metaclass.
You may also need to think about .__getattribute__, but I never studied
the detail completely and have forgotten what I learned.
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This was too easy')
This was too easy
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exists to implement '+'.
[].extend() will clearly be a list, and accepts any iterable.
I believe the same logic is used for set operations.
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t;", line 1, in
len(C())
TypeError: 'str' object cannot be interpreted as an integer
>>> class C:
def __len__(self): return -42 # whoops again
>>> len(C())
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
len(C())
also django-users list
https://www.djangoproject.com/community/
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On 11/6/2012 7:52 PM, Stephen Bunn wrote:
I'm looking for some help with multiprocessing.
Questions about using Python go to python-list.
python-dev is for developing future versions of Python.
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On 11/6/2012 11:04 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 11/6/2012 7:52 PM, Stephen Bunn wrote:
I'm looking for some help with multiprocessing.
Questions about using Python go to python-list.
python-dev is for developing future versions of Python.
My apologies. I intended to and thought I had o
not
overridden.
'''
I say open a bug report and let the devs sort it out.
Please do not. The current situation is the result of 'sorting it out'
over several years.
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to the user. One use of properties is to make something that is not a
Mallard act like a Mallard. So this check breaks duck typing.
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On 11/8/2012 6:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:39:24 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
[...]
test.py:21: UserWarning: 'bar': is not property.
assert looks(Foo).like(IFoo)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "test.py", line 21, in
as
On 11/9/2012 1:30 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:44:54 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 11/8/2012 6:40 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
[...]
IFoo.bar # returns a computed property
Assuming IFoo is a class and bar is a property attribute of the class,
IFoo.bar is th
he meanwhile, if you cannot have the object constructed with strings
rather than bytes, I suggest you write a custom converter function that
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Point.distance = distance
... def __sub__(self, other):
... return Point(self.x - other.x, self.y - other.y)
...
>>> def distance(self, point=Point()):
... return math.sqrt((self - point).x ** 2 + (self - point).y ** 2)
...
>>> p = Point()
>>> p.distance(Point(3, 4))
5.0
Is there a better solution?
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or if you want them to be identified by keyword only (since 7 positional
args is a bit much)
def __init__(self, smtp, login, *, subject, from, to, msg):
(I forget when this feature was added)
# ...
And then Python will do all the work of requiring them to be present for you.
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;)
True
request.get_header("Content-Type")
# this return None, which is not printed
request.get_header("Content-type")
'application/x-www-form-urlencoded'
Judging from 'Content-type', 'User-agent', 'Content-length', 'Host',
urllib.request consistently capitalizes the first word of all header
tags and expects them in that form. If that is not standard, it should
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On 11/12/2012 5:59 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 12Nov2012 16:35, Terry Reedy wrote:
| On 11/12/2012 10:52 AM, Johannes Kleese wrote:
| > While at it, I noticed that urllib.request.Request.has_header() and
| > .get_header() are case-sensitive,
|
| Python is case sensitive.
To be more p
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import urllib.request
opener = urllib.request.build_opener()
request = urllib.request.Request("http://example.com/";, headers =
{"Content-Type": "application/x-www-form-urlencoded"})
opener.open(request,
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data are in data.txt in current directory. Then
start with
with open('data.txt') as lines:
for line in lines
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rather easy, easier than setting up a mail account.
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raise ValueError('unsupported hash type %s' % name)
ValueError: unsupported hash type sha224
[snip similar messages]
It is also unusual to get multiple tracebacks. *Exactly* how are you
running python and is 2.7 what you intend to run?
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obably better, only load it if there is no
system version).
What else should I be checking?
Thinking more, you can look at sys.modules, but this does not have any
info about non-module libraries wrapped by modules, even if the latter
are C-coded.
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The question was raised as to how much spam comes from googlegroups.
Not all, but more that half, I believe. This one does.
From: MoneyMaker
...
Message-ID: <2d2a0b98-c587-4459-9489-680b1ddc4...@googlegroups.com>
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est of 3: 43.2 usec per loop
C:\>python -m timeit -s "import operator as o; x = list(range(1000));
g = o.itemgetter(*range(len(x)))" "g(x)"
1 loops, best of 3: 43.7 usec per loop
C:\>python -m timeit -s "import operator as o; x =
tuple(range(1)); g = o.itemgetter(*range(len(x)))" "g(x)"
1000 loops, best of 3: 422 usec per loop
C:\>python -m timeit -s "import operator as o; x = list(range(1));
g = o.itemgetter(*range(len(x)))" "g(x)"
1000 loops, best of 3: 447 usec per loop
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__, index, and count
...
class collections.abc.Sequence
class collections.abc.MutableSequence
ABCs for read-only and mutable sequences.
'''
>>> from collections.abc import Sequence
>>> issubclass(tuple, Sequence)
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Path browser works in 2.7 and 3.2. It was broken in 3.3.0 and has been
fixed for 3.3.1 and 3.4.0. The issue status is 'closed', so one must
change the search status field from the default of 'open' to find it.
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already
seen this element
The itertools doc, in the last section, has a recipe for this problem
that uses the above approach.
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Many people who want to move to Py3 cannot because they *have to use* a
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non-existent index. For the string
"spam", the range is 0..4.
I tend to agree, but perhaps the doc should be changed. In edge cases
like this, there sometimes is no 'right' answer. I suspect that the
current behavior is intentional. You might find a discussion on the tracker.
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got the cases where % formatting has to be special cased.
>>> "The answer is {}.".format(1)
'The answer is 1.'
>>> "The answer is {}.".format((1,))
'The answer is (1,).'
>>> "The answer is %s" % 1
'The answer is 1'
>>> "The anwser is %s" % (1,)
'The answer is 1'
>>> "The answer is %s" % ((1,),)
'The answer is (1,)'
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or now?
Nonsense. The issues above are the same for % formatting. If you try to
format one object with two % format specs, it will fail for the same
reason. Try the % equivalent of what failed.
'%-14f%14d' % ((-25.61, 95 ),)
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language. It leads to non obvious errors -- especially when revisting
old code. Why not call the thing 'key_stroke'?
I agree.
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l and handle the 'more
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On 11/12/2012 8:58 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 11/12/2012 4:35 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
import urllib.request
opener = urllib.request.build_opener()
request = urllib.request.Request("http://example.com/";, headers =
{"Content-Type": "application/x-www-form-u
P, which you defined elsewhere, whatever it is, is not
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' is very cheap. Searching ahead any checking names in all the
except clauses would be much more expensive -- and useless after the
first time the code is run after being revised.
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27; % number, measurementcurr
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print 'Measured voltage %d: ' % number, measurementvolt
Now you can make changes in only one place and easily add more test values.
print "Goodbye, data logged in file:"
print filename
usbkeith.close()
keithdata.close()
can anyone here what is
ion, the same idea applies to the split list.
def split_product_itertools(s):
words = s.split()
product = list(takewhile(allcaps, words))
return ' '.join(product), ' '.join(words[len(product):])
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