On Monday, September 2, 2013 1:10:34 AM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote:
Russ P. writes:
I just stumbled across this video and found it interesting:
http://vimeo.com/72870631
My apologies if it has been posted here already.
The slides for it are here, so I didn't bother watching the 1
I just stumbled across this video and found it interesting:
http://vimeo.com/72870631
My apologies if it has been posted here already.
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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:29:02 AM UTC-7, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 12:29:44 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:59:31 -0700, Russ P. wrote
On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:44:11 AM UTC-7, Rick Johnson wrote:
Yes, but the problem is not my approach, rather the lack
of proper language design (my apologizes to the anointed
one. ;-)
If you don't like implicit conversion to Boolean, then maybe you should be
using another language --
On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:15:57 AM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Russ P. wrote:
On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:44:11 AM UTC-7, Rick Johnson wrote:
Yes, but the problem is not my approach, rather the lack
of proper language design (my apologizes
On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:59:01 AM UTC-7, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 05/06/2013 07:11, Russ P. wrote:
But then, what would you expect of a language that allows you to write
x = 1
x = Hello
It's all loosey goosey -- which is fine for many applications but certainly
On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 9:59:07 AM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Russ P. wrote:
On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 1:59:01 AM UTC-7, Mark Lawrence wrote:
I want to launch this rocket with an expensive satellite on top. I know
it's safe as the code
On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:18:13 PM UTC-7, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 06/05/2013 12:11 AM, Russ P. wrote:
But then, what would you expect of a language that allows you to
write
x = 1
x = Hello
It's all loosey goosey -- which is fine for many applications
On Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:29:44 PM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:59:31 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
As for Python, my experience with it is that, as
your application grows
One possibility is to form the string as usual, split on the e, format each
part separately, then rejoin with an e.
On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:09:10 PM UTC-8, fa...@squashclub.org wrote:
Instead of:
1.8e-04
I need:
1.8e-004
So two zeros before the 4, instead of the
On May 3, 10:30 am, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/02/2012 11:45 PM, Russ P. wrote:
On May 2, 1:29 pm, someonenewsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
If your data starts off with only 1 or 2 digits of accuracy, as in your
example, then the result is meaningless -- the accuracy will be 2-2
empirical. Still, a condition number of 1e6 would bother
me, but maybe that's just me.
--Russ P.
On May 3, 3:21 pm, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/03/2012 07:55 PM, Russ P. wrote:
On May 3, 10:30 am, someonenewsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/02/2012 11:45 PM, Russ P. wrote:
For any
On May 3, 4:59 pm, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/04/2012 12:58 AM, Russ P. wrote:
Yeah, I realized that I should rephrase my previous statement to
something like this:
For any *empirical* engineering or scientific work, I'd say that a
condition number of 1e6 is likely
On May 1, 11:03 pm, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/02/2012 01:38 AM, Russ P. wrote:
On May 1, 4:05 pm, Paul Rubinno.em...@nospam.invalid wrote:
someonenewsbo...@gmail.com writes:
Actually I know some... I just didn't think so much about, before
writing the question
On May 2, 1:29 pm, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
If your data starts off with only 1 or 2 digits of accuracy, as in your
example, then the result is meaningless -- the accuracy will be 2-2
digits, or 0 -- *no* digits in the answer can be trusted to be accurate.
I just solved a FEM
On Apr 29, 5:17 pm, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/30/2012 12:39 AM, Kiuhnm wrote:
So Matlab at least warns about Matrix is close to singular or badly
scaled, which python (and I guess most other languages) does not...
A is not just close to singular: it's singular!
Ok. When
On May 1, 11:52 am, someone newsbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 04/30/2012 03:35 AM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
On 04/29/2012 07:59 PM, someone wrote:
I do not use python much myself, but a quick google showed that pyhton
scipy has API for linalg, so use, which is from the documentation, the
On May 1, 4:05 pm, Paul Rubin no.em...@nospam.invalid wrote:
someone newsbo...@gmail.com writes:
Actually I know some... I just didn't think so much about, before
writing the question this as I should, I know theres also something
like singular value decomposition that I think can help
On Mar 6, 7:25 pm, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 6, 6:11 am, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
some additional info i thought is relevant.
are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?
It is a bit naive for computer scientists to club integers and reals
as
On Mar 5, 10:34 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 5, 9:26 pm, Tim Roberts t...@probo.com wrote:
Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
some additional info i thought is relevant.
are int, float, long, double, side-effects of computer engineering?
Of course they are. Such concepts
On Aug 28, 8:16 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 7:51 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:52 pm, MRAB pyt
running. If I hit Control-C repeatedly, I
eventually get lucky and kill the top-level script. Is there a
simple way to ensure that the first Control-C will kill the whole darn
thing, i.e, the top-level script? Thanks.
--Russ P.
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On Aug 28, 6:52 pm, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote:
On 29/08/2011 02:15, Russ P. wrote: I have a Python (2.6.x) script on Linux
that loops through many
directories and does processing for each. That processing includes
several os.system calls for each directory (some to other Python
On Aug 28, 7:51 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:52 pm, MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com wrote:
You could look at the return value of os.system, which may tell you the
exit status of the process
On Aug 28, 8:16 pm, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 7:51 pm, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:52 pm, MRAB pyt
On Aug 23, 7:46 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
However, I've switched from Python to
Scala, so I really don't care.
Really? Your endless whining in this thread would seem to indicate
otherwise.
Yes, I guess I care some, but not much. I still use
On Aug 21, 1:33 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:01:42 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
Most programmers probably never use vectors and matrices, so they don't
care about the inconsistency with standard mathematical notation.
Perhaps you should
On Aug 22, 12:47 am, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 21, 1:33 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:01:42 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
Most programmers probably
On Aug 20, 1:23 am, Martin Braun martin.br...@kit.edu wrote:
I find this thread extremely interesting, but what surprised me that
everyone seems to agree that mathematics is 1-based, but we Pythoneers
should stick to zero-based. I disagree. To make sure I'm not going
crazy, I took the top
On Aug 20, 11:19 am, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure what you read, but for me (mostly number theory, numerical
analysis, and abstract algebra) zero-based indexing is quite common.
My background is in aerospace control engineering. I am certainly not
familiar with the
On Aug 19, 9:07 am, J.B. Brown jbbr...@sunflower.kuicr.kyoto-
u.ac.jp wrote:
2010/8/9 MRAB pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com:
Default User wrote:
Not to prolong a good food fight, but IIRC, many years ago in QBasic,
one could choose
OPTION BASE 0
or
OPTION BASE 1
When I wrote my own
On Aug 19, 11:04 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:15:54 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
The convention of starting with zero may have had some slight
performance advantage in the early days of computing, but the huge
potential for error
I just checked, and Mathematica uses one-based indexing. Apparently
they want their notation to look mathematical.
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On Aug 19, 11:42 am, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:03:53 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
For those who insist that zero-based indexing is a good idea, why you
suppose mathematical vector/matrix notation has never used that
convention? I have
Yes, apparently Basic uses one-based indexing too.
As for Ada, apparently, the programmer needs to explicitly define the
index range for every array. Weird. But I get the impression that one-
based indexing is used much more than zero-based indexing.
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On Aug 19, 12:13 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-
While businesses are conservative in which languages they choose,
language designers are not conservative in the design features they come
up with. That there has been a gradual (although as yet incomplete)
convergence towards zero-based
On Aug 18, 2:01 pm, AK andrei@gmail.com wrote:
On 08/17/2010 10:15 PM, Russ P. wrote:
On Aug 7, 5:54 am, D'Arcy J.M. Cainda...@druid.net wrote:
Would said beginner also be surprised that a newborn baby is zero years
old or would it be more natural to call them a one year old? Zero
On Aug 18, 7:58 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve-REMOVE-
t...@cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:47:08 -0700, Russ P. wrote:
Is the top team in the league the number 1 team -- or the number 0 team?
I have yet to hear anyone call the best team the number 0 team!
Why is the top team
On Aug 7, 5:54 am, D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net wrote:
Would said beginner also be surprised that a newborn baby is zero years
old or would it be more natural to call them a one year old? Zero
based counting is perfectly natural.
You're confusing continuous and discrete variables. Time
According to Wikipedia, this is called the Whitesmith style:
for(i = 99; i 0; ++i)
{
printf(%d slabs of spam in my mail!\n, i);
printf(%d slabs of spam,\n, i);
printf(Send one to abuse and Just Hit Delete,\n);
printf(%d slabs of spam in my mail!\n\n, i + 1);
}
I
On Mar 30, 10:08 am, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote:
Chris Rebert wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:40 AM, gentlestone tibor.b...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi, how can I write the popular C/JAVA syntax in Python?
Java example:
return (a==b) ? 'Yes' : 'No'
My first idea is:
return
On Nov 17, 7:28 am, Jonathan Saxton jsax...@appsecinc.com wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:27:31 +0100, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
Congratulations, you just reinvented one of the most infamous source of
bugs in C, C++, Java, PHP, javascript and quite a few other languages.
Believe it or not,
On Nov 14, 10:15 am, Diez B. Roggisch de...@nospam.web.de wrote:
Russ P. schrieb:
I have a Python program that runs too slow for some inputs. I would
like to speed it up without rewriting any code. Psyco seemed like
exactly what I need, until I saw that it only works on a 32-bit
On Nov 12, 12:06 pm, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a Python program that runs too slow for some inputs. I would
like to speed it up without rewriting any code. Psyco seemed like
exactly what I need, until I saw that it only works on a 32-bit
architecture. I work
On Nov 12, 12:06 pm, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a Python program that runs too slow for some inputs. I would
like to speed it up without rewriting any code. Psyco seemed like
exactly what I need, until I saw that it only works on a 32-bit
architecture. I work
I have a Python program that runs too slow for some inputs. I would
like to speed it up without rewriting any code. Psyco seemed like
exactly what I need, until I saw that it only works on a 32-bit
architecture. I work in an environment of Sun Ultras that are all 64-
bit. However, the Psyco docs
On Oct 10, 1:15 pm, kj no.em...@please.post wrote:
I'm coaching a group of biologists on basic Python scripting. One
of my charges mentioned that he had come across the advice never
to use loops beginning with while True. Of course, that's one
way to start an infinite loop, but this seems
I need to speed up some Python code, and I discovered Psyco. However,
the Psyco web page has not been updated since December 2007. Before I
go to the trouble of installing it, does anyone know if it is still
good for Python 2.6.1? Thanks.
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I am running 2.5.2 on Red Hat 5. I am getting many printouts of
reference counts, such as
[10263 refs]
I do not recall ever seeing this until recently. Why am I getting
this? Thanks.
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On Feb 4, 5:35 am, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Quoting Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com:
Imagine you own a company, and you decide to lease an office building.
Would you expect the office doors to have locks on them? Oh, you
would? Why? You mean you don't trust your co-workers? What
On Feb 3, 12:45 am, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
Another extreme position is that enforced data hiding is useless, that
there is *never* any need for it *at all*, and therefore Python doesn't
need it, there's no reason except stupid PHB's belief in cargo-cult
On Feb 3, 4:05 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:45:23 -, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
I find this extreme position is rather incoherent. If I may paraphrase
the argument as I see it:
Enforced data hiding is
On Feb 3, 4:14 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:37:57 -, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 2, 7:48 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:16:01 -, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com
wrote:
Here
On Feb 3, 7:49 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:13:32 -, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:05 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
I'm very much of the second opinion; it was Russ who did the sudden
volte
face
On Feb 2, 9:02 am, thmpsn@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 2, 2:55 am, Stephen Hansen apt.shan...@gmail.com wrote:
This is proven
by your statement above, whereby you are driving a user away,
simply because the language, in one small aspect, does not
give him what he wants, and the tenor
On Feb 2, 2:46 pm, Tim Rowe digi...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/2 Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com:
Are we supposed
to believe that the designers of C++, Java, Ada, and Scala are all
idiots?
No, we're supposed to believe that the designers of C++, Java, Ada,
and Scala are all designers
On Feb 2, 4:35 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
This really, really, *really* isn't a tangent. It's the heart of
the matter. You are advocating a change that doesn't fit with
Python's consenting adults approach to programming. It's trivial
to enforce hiding using static
On Feb 2, 7:48 pm, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.demon.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:16:01 -, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
Here we go again. If you have access to the source code (as you nearly
always do with Python code), then breaking the language-enforced data
hiding
On Feb 2, 9:09 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote:
You favor bleeding eyes?
If I am going to bleed anywhere, I'd actually prefer it be somewhere
other than the eyes. Well, maybe not the gonads either. That's a tough
call. In any case, I use xemacs, and I've always liked color
highlighting.
On Jan 28, 1:32 pm, Xah Lee xah...@gmail.com wrote:
Function Application is not Currying
Xah Lee, 2009-01-28
In Jon Harrop's book Ocaml for Scientist
athttp://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists/chapter1.html
It says:
Currying
A curried function is a function
On Jan 26, 6:09 am, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
Quite. Python is a language for consenting adults. It has perceived
deficiencies for certain software engineering environments. Can we drop
the subject now? This horse was flogged to death long ago, and it's
pointless and cruel to
On Jan 27, 11:40 am, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
I think you still fail to see that what we are objecting is not that the
original writer can optionally use the enforced data hiding (which, as
someone pointed out before me, can be done with tools like pylint). The
objection is about
On Jan 26, 1:07 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote:
No. I can change the *team's* code. Please *read*. team's ownership,
ok ? Or do I have to spell it out loud ? TEAM'S OWNERSHIP. Uh. You get
the message, now ?
Team ownership doesn't necessarily mean
On Jan 25, 10:04 am, Mark Wooding m...@distorted.org.uk wrote:
Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com writes:
Calling a one-word change a fork is quite a stretch, I'd say.
I wouldn't. I've forked a project P if I've made a different version of
it which isn't going to be reflected upstream. Now
On Jan 25, 10:04 am, Mark Wooding m...@distorted.org.uk wrote:
But what if I want an automatic check to verify that I am using it as
the author intended? Is that unreasonable?
You mean that you can't /tell/ whether you typed mumble._seekrit?
You're very strange. It's kind of hard to do by
On Jan 25, 5:31 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
It seems to me that Russ' latest objection to _private names is not
specific to _private names. The same problem:
You will get no warning at all. You will just be inadvertently
creating a new private attribute
On Jan 25, 7:56 pm, Mark Wooding m...@distorted.org.uk wrote:
Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com writes:
[snip stuff I don't disagree with]
That makes renaming and refactoring riskier in general in Python than
in statically typed languages with enforced access restrictions. More
care
On Jan 24, 4:03 pm, Robert Kern robert.k...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2009-01-23 22:25, Aahz wrote:
In articlemailman.7865.1232765899.3487.python-l...@python.org,
Linuxguy123linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote:
I just started using python last week and I'm addicted.
Welcome! Just be aware that
On Jan 24, 4:17 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Quoting Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com:
On Jan 23, 6:36 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Makes *no* sense? There's *no* good reason *at all* for the original
author to hide or protect internals?
My bad, sorry
On Jan 24, 5:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
I didn't say at all. Those were your words, not mine.
I said that it makes no sense that the power lies on _you_ instead of on _my
team_. And, when I said that, I recall we were talking about the python
language, not C.
Once again, if
On Jan 24, 9:54 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Quoting Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com:
Once again, if you have the source code for the library (and the right
to modify it), how does the power lie with the library implementer
rather than you the user?
You say you don't want
On Jan 23, 1:54 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote:
Steven D'Aprano a écrit :
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:10:05 +, Mark Wooding wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:12:31 +0100, Bruno
On Jan 22, 9:22 pm, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
code. You can play around with the internals all you want in your own
little world, but as when you are working with a team, you need to
adhere to the interfaces they define (if any).
The word as should not be there:
... but when you
On Jan 23, 4:30 am, Mark Wooding m...@distorted.org.uk wrote:
Suppose that you write a Python library module and release it. I find
that it's /almost/ the right thing for some program of mine, but it
doesn't quite work properly unless I hack about like so... perfect! I'm
a happy bunny;
On Jan 23, 4:57 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote:
Russ P. a écrit :
As I said before, if you have the source code you can always change
private attributes to public in a pinch if the language enforces
encapsulation.
And then have to maintain
On Jan 23, 6:21 am, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote:
I have to say that I thought the example was somewhat bogus. Any
development team that is even slightly concerned about the possibility
of logic bombs in the code will try to mitigate that possibility by the
use of code inspections.
On Jan 23, 6:36 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Makes *no* sense? There's *no* good reason *at all* for the original
author to hide or protect internals?
My bad, sorry.
It makes sense... if the original author is an egotist who believes he must
control how I use that library.
If
On Jan 23, 6:58 pm, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote:
I will never write another Perl or Bash script again.
I still use bash for orchestrating the execution of a series of other
scripts and/or programs (including python programs). I know you can do
that in python, but I find bash simpler
On Jan 22, 6:30 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:10:05 +, Mark Wooding wrote:
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:12:31 +0100, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
Steven D'Aprano a écrit :
On Jan 21, 4:04 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote:
Russ P. a écrit :
(snip)
Your mistake for being a moron. But it seems to happen regularly,
doesn't it. How much more of my time are you going to waste, loser?
Calling people names is certainly
On Jan 21, 9:34 am, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
But you keep failing to explay why do you need it to be _part of the standard_
library (or whatever).
Technically, it doesn't need to be. But if someone proposes using
particular language for a major safety-critical project, the critical
On Jan 20, 5:33 am, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
On Tuesday 20 January 2009 05:00:34 am Paul Rubin wrote:
Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu writes:
No wonder you can't get Bruno's point. For the second, static checks
to prevent accidents, you have pylint. For the first, not only you
On Jan 20, 5:16 pm, Mark Wooding m...@distorted.org.uk wrote:
Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com writes:
Rather than waste more time replying to your post, Let me just refer
you to an excellent post that you may have missed earlier in this
thread by Mr. D'Aprano:
I've responded to that now
On Jan 20, 6:47 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
(And that's not even commenting on the whole I have no skill in this
area and only second-hand knowledge that it's possible but it's
*obvious* to me that it's trivial and *someone else* should easily be
able to do the work for me! nature of
Rather than waste more time replying to your post, Let me just refer
you to an excellent post that you may have missed earlier in this
thread by Mr. D'Aprano:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/d684d43b64a6e35a
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On Jan 20, 8:26 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 21, 1:18 pm, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
Since when is no one is allowed to suggest a potential improvement to
a product unless they are willing to implement it themselves? Imagine
what the world would be like
On Jan 20, 9:00 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 21, 2:50 pm, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
If pylint can check for private access violations, then in principle
someone could just add a run-time flag that would run pylint as a
preliminary step to running python. Heck, I
On Jan 20, 9:07 pm, James Mills prolo...@shortcircuit.net.au wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
My mistake for using trivial instead, I didn't realise it would trip
up your pedantry.
Your mistake for being a moron. But it seems to happen regularly
On Jan 20, 10:02 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I comprehend that you don't even have an immediate need and are
instead actively engaging in online onanism? Absolutely.
So anyone thinking beyond an immediate need is engaging in online
onanism?
Let's see. How long ago did the Python
On Jan 20, 10:18 pm, James Mills prolo...@shortcircuit.net.au wrote:
I never did say that python -is- suitable for
all applications or that all languages are suitable
for all purposes.
But you did make some rather outlandish statements. I had written
this:
I suggest you call Boeing and tell
On Jan 20, 10:24 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 21, 3:20 pm, Russ P. russ.paie...@gmail.com wrote:
But I doubt it will ever come to pass, because it is clear that much
of the Python community has no clue about what is required for large-
scale, safety-critical software
On Jan 20, 10:56 pm, Paul Rubin http://phr...@nospam.invalid wrote:
Also, attribute protection is just a tiny aspect. The high assurance
community really wants as much static verification as it can possibly
get. Python doesn't really lend itself to that.
Which is why I was hoping that
On Jan 20, 11:03 pm, James Mills prolo...@shortcircuit.net.au wrote:
Then -don't- use python. Use some other boring
language. (!...@#$!@#)
--JamesMills
You're emailing me again. Please don't do that. It's bad enough to get
death threats in a newsgroup -- I don't need them in my inbox too.
On Jan 20, 11:16 pm, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this is the main issue we disagree on. I'm happier for Python
to remain lightweight where such features can be easily added on
demand through external libraries. I see no reason why a library
couldn't be as well-engineered a
On Jan 19, 7:13 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno.
42.desthuilli...@websiteburo.invalid wrote:
I must be missing the point : if it's a public attribute, it doesn't
need a property ? I guess we use the same words for different things here.
Yes, you are missing more than one point.
Scala
On Jan 19, 5:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Russ, I think _you_ are missing the point.
If the attribute is already public, why does it need properties? Why would a
programmer go to the trouble of adding them manually, just to get one level of
indirection for an already public
On Jan 19, 6:24 pm, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:07:50 -0800, Russ P. wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Russ, I think _you_ are missing the point. If the attribute is already
public, why does it need
On Jan 19, 6:24 pm, Steven D'Aprano
ste...@remove.this.cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:07:50 -0800, Russ P. wrote:
On Jan 19, 5:09 pm, Luis Zarrabeitia ky...@uh.cu wrote:
Russ, I think _you_ are missing the point. If the attribute is already
public, why does it need
On Jan 19, 6:24 pm, James Mills prolo...@shortcircuit.net.au
wrote:
Python programmers tend to not have a need for
properties. Quite honestly they are a waste of time.
They come from traditional OO approaches to software design
(and mostly from the Java world).
With statements like that,
On Jan 19, 7:44 pm, david.l...@preisshare.net wrote:
Because frankly, that's how I read Russ' explanation for what Scala is
doing. Have I missed something?
coz he gets paid per line of code
it's a mindless way of getting paid more for the same functionality...
Well, I *thought* I
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