Fwd: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Mike Reveile wrote: > I can measure a Pineapple... by weight, volume, color, taste, smell, > ripeness... but none of these numbers are the pineapple. They only help me > relate to the pineapple. In this way Math itself (and the entire

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 9:36:26 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:36:02 AM UTC+5:30, Mike Reveile wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Rurpy wrote: > > > On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 9:19:43 PM UTC-7, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:36:02 AM UTC+5:30, Mike Reveile wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Rurpy wrote: > > > On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:36:02 AM UTC+5:30, Mike Reveile wrote: > On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Rurpy wrote: > > On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > > >> Chris Angelico writes: > > >> > <> > >

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On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:36:02 AM UTC+5:30, Mike Reveile wrote: > On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Rurpy wrote: > > On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > > >> Chris Angelico writes: > > >> > <> > >

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On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:44:15 AM UTC-7, Rurpy wrote: > On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney > > wrote: > >> Chris Angelico writes: > >> <> Interesting thread... but volatile. I find

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:34:55 +0300 Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Ben Finney : > > \ “When people believe that they have absolute > > knowledge, with no | `\ test in reality, this [the > > Auschwitz crematorium] is how they | _o__) > > behave.”

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On 26/04/2017 08:00, m.n.summerfield--- via Python-list wrote: Surely it is time to stop the "Robert L." emails? We're currently blocking the "Robert L." emails through the list gateway. And -- barring one, which was passed through by mistake -- I've not seen any hit the list itself lately.

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Ben Finney : > \ “When people believe that they have absolute knowledge, with no | > `\ test in reality, this [the Auschwitz crematorium] is how they | > _o__) behave.” —Jacob Bronowski, _The Ascent of Man_, 1973 | Genocide is a deplorable facet

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"m.n.summerfield--- via Python-list" writes: > I don't know if this list has a code of conduct, but maybe it is time > it did?) This forum is provided to the Python community by the Python Software Foundation, and as such it is encompassed by the Python Community Code of

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Surely it is time to stop the "Robert L." emails? And any others that follow using a different alias but use the same technique of seemingly asking a genuine technical question for the clear purpose of adding the vile contents of their signatures to this list (and therefore to our community's

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 at 5:41:11 PM UTC+1, Rhodri James wrote: > On 25/04/17 15:26, Rustom Mody wrote: > > > > Astrology is bunk… > > > > Or is it 'fake-news' ? > > > >

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On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 4:19:25 PM UTC+1, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/21/2017 06:33 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > On 04/21/2017 03:38 AM, breamoreboy wrote: > > >> Talking of signatures another of Robert L's beauties landed three or so > >> hours ago. He really is a right little > >> charmer

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Rustom Mody wrote: The influence of Jupiter, Saturn, etc is — for astrology-buffs at least — just a refinement of the influence of the sun, moon > Maybe the idea that tides are controlled by the moon and that people awake and sleep with the sun is also fake? There's a huge difference,

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On 25/04/17 15:26, Rustom Mody wrote: Astrology is bunk… Or is it 'fake-news' ? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/can-a-full-moon-really-affect-our-behavior/2016/01/15/8de3018e-b940-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html Maybe the idea that tides are controlled by the moon

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On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 1:20:05 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 22-04-17 om 13:17 schreef Rustom Mody: > > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:38:08 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: > >> Op 20-04-17 om 17:25 schreef Rustom Mody: > >>> But more importantly thank you for your polite and

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Op 22-04-17 om 13:17 schreef Rustom Mody: > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:38:08 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> Op 20-04-17 om 17:25 schreef Rustom Mody: >>> But more importantly thank you for your polite and consistent pointing out >>> to >>> Ben Finney that his religion-bashing signature

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On 04/22/2017 05:17 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:38:08 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: >> Op 20-04-17 om 17:25 schreef Rustom Mody: >>> But more importantly thank you for your polite and consistent pointing out >>> to >>> Ben Finney that his religion-bashing signature

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On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:38:08 PM UTC+5:30, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 20-04-17 om 17:25 schreef Rustom Mody: > > But more importantly thank you for your polite and consistent pointing out > > to > > Ben Finney that his religion-bashing signature lines [many of them] and his > > claims to

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On 04/21/2017 06:33 AM, Ethan Furman wrote: On 04/21/2017 03:38 AM, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: Talking of signatures another of Robert L's beauties landed three or so hours ago. He really is a right little charmer :-( Not on the Python Mailing List. I see one of them made it through.

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On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 2:33:03 PM UTC+1, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/21/2017 03:38 AM, breamoreboy wrote: > > > Talking of signatures another of Robert L's beauties landed three or so > > hours ago. He really is a right little charmer :-( > > Not on the Python Mailing List. > > -- >

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On 04/21/2017 03:38 AM, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: Talking of signatures another of Robert L's beauties landed three or so hours ago. He really is a right little charmer :-( Not on the Python Mailing List. -- ~Ethan~ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:08:08 AM UTC+1, Antoon Pardon wrote: > Op 20-04-17 om 17:25 schreef Rustom Mody: > > But more importantly thank you for your polite and consistent pointing out > > to > > Ben Finney that his religion-bashing signature lines [many of them] and his > > claims to

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Op 20-04-17 om 17:25 schreef Rustom Mody: > But more importantly thank you for your polite and consistent pointing out to > Ben Finney that his religion-bashing signature lines [many of them] and his > claims to wish this list be welcoming are way out of sync. I don't know. I think a concept

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On 04/20/2017 01:46 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >[...] > I am not obliged to address every point of every post, and the absence > of comment on any particular point is not generally to be read as full > assent. Certainly anyone is free to choose to ignore bigotry on the list, because one agrees with

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Like most people here, I think this thread has long ago served whatever usefulness it will have. I'm not interested in continuing it. I'll just respond to some direct questions, but don't take any lack of response on particular points as agreement. Rurpy via Python-list

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On 04/20/2017 09:25 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: >[...] > No one seems to have noticed who Rurpy is defending : Ranting Rick and Bart. > Sheesh! > A rhinocerous would have gossamer skin compared to these 'gentlemen' > Sheesh² ! You are mistaken. I am not defending Rick or Bart both of whom I am well

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On 04/19/2017 08:27 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Rurpy via Python-list writes: > >> You and Chris refused to find any fault with the use of the two >> stereotypes under discussion one of which was "unable-to-learn old >> people". > > I expressed absolutely nothing on that

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And the moral to the story is: Don't worry. Be happy. And reach fot the stars (while still being mindful of those around you). -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 5:11:58 AM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/19/2017 03:58 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Ethan Furman writes: > > > >> […] asking that you be courteous to those who come here to discuss > >> Python. > > > > On that we can agree. Let's be courteous to people here, and

RE: The belief that learning is more difficult for older people (was: Bigotry (you win, I give up))

Poor souls. It isn't pretty when the mind lets go. Maybe it sounds cold, but these people did make the choice every day of most of their lives to not bother themselves about the why of things, to not pay attention to this, to let someone else worry about that, etc. The sad thing is that this ad

Re: The belief that learning is more difficult for older people (was: Bigotry (you win, I give up))

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 7:51:55 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > "Deborah Swanson" writes: > > > But this bit caught my eye because I hold the opposite opinion about > > old people's ability to learn. > > > > It is a choice. > > The topic is complex, and both “It is entirely determined

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I've likewise mostly been ignoring this thread as it has gotten out of control. At a few jobs ago, I was nearly daily involved with interviewing candidates. Initially, I was point on "culture fit". i.e. how would the potential employee react to having a phone thrown at them (it happened - I

Re: Bigotry (you win, I give up)

Rurpy via Python-list writes: > You and Chris refused to find any fault with the use of the two > stereotypes under discussion one of which was "unable-to-learn old > people". I expressed absolutely nothing on that topic, so I didn't “refuse to find any fault”. To claim

The belief that learning is more difficult for older people (was: Bigotry (you win, I give up))

"Deborah Swanson" writes: > But this bit caught my eye because I hold the opposite opinion about > old people's ability to learn. > > It is a choice. The topic is complex, and both “It is entirely determined by your own choices” and “It is in no way determined by your

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On 04/19/2017 01:56 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Rurpy via Python-list writes: > >> I don't think stupid black people or senile old people should be >> allowable because those are not choosable *behaviors*. But is >> unable-to-learn old people a choosable behavior? You said

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On 04/19/2017 05:11 PM, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: This is getting ludicrous. Ben has been using these signatures for years and nobody has said a word. Just because it was challenged before does not mean it was, or is, right / courteous / respectful . Why is it that somebody

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Ethan Furman writes: > Will you be filtering your signature lines, then? Because you cannot > simultaneously be courteous to someone and mock their beliefs. I disagree. Beliefs are courteously mocked in this forum every week, and the forum and this community is healthier for

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On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:41:58 AM UTC+1, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/19/2017 03:58 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Ethan Furman writes: > > > >> […] asking that you be courteous to those who come here to discuss > >> Python. > > > > On that we can agree. Let's be courteous to people here, and

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> Rupee via Python-list writes: > > > I don't think stupid black people or senile old people should be > > allowable because those are not choosable *behaviors*. But is > > unable-to-learn old people a choosable behavior? You said that's ok. I've mostly been ignoring

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On 04/19/2017 03:58 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Ethan Furman writes: […] asking that you be courteous to those who come here to discuss Python. On that we can agree. Let's be courteous to people here, and keep discussing Python. Will you be filtering your signature lines, then? Because you

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Ethan Furman writes: > […] asking that you be courteous to those who come here to discuss > Python. On that we can agree. Let's be courteous to people here, and keep discussing Python. -- \“Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?” “Wuh, I think | `\

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On 04/19/2017 01:36 PM, Erik wrote: On 19/04/17 21:25, Ethan Furman wrote: Asking that you not denigrate non-Python ideas on the Python list is not asking for "special respect", I have no idea what you just said! :D Yeah, I try to avoid negative checks in code. How about this?

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On 19/04/17 21:25, Ethan Furman wrote: Asking that you not denigrate non-Python ideas on the Python list is not asking for "special respect", I have no idea what you just said! :D This is why I dislike code such as: if not no_results(data) != not_valid: pass ... and I've seen lots of

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On 04/19/2017 12:56 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Demanding special respect for a class of ideas is not okay. Asking that you not denigrate non-Python ideas on the Python list is not asking for "special respect", it is asking that you be courteous to those who come here to discuss Python. --

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Rurpy via Python-list writes: > I don't think stupid black people or senile old people should be > allowable because those are not choosable *behaviors*. But is > unable-to-learn old people a choosable behavior? You said that's ok. No, I didn't say that's okay, and I'm

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On 04/18/2017 04:34 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Ben Finney > wrote: >> Chris Angelico writes: >> >>> The charge has been examined and dropped. Steven did not violate the >>> CoC. Please stop talking as if he has. He