kery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Any schedule for publication of 2nd Ed? I just bought 1st Ed.
The 2nd edition Python Cookbook appears to be on-track for PyCon (late
March) for the very first ink-on-paper -- probably April in bookstores.
The 2nd edition Python in a Nutshell is more
Steven Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I completely agree. I'm also waiting for an advanced Python/project
management book that helps folks out with large-scale projects.
I won't schedule that project until the Nutshell 2nd ed is substantially
done... and I'm not _promising_ I'll schedule it
I completely agree. I'm also waiting for an advanced Python/project
management book that helps folks out with large-scale projects.
And, for the 2nd edition, may I suggest:
- coverage of OptionParser module, which is more advanced than the
getopt module that you discuss on page 141.
- better Mac
Alex Martelli wrote:
Craig Ringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 23:54, Thomas Heller wrote:
I found the discussion of unicode, in any python book I have,
insufficient.
I couldn't agree more. I think explicit treatment of implicit
conversion, the role of
Well,
I have not read the previous version, but
I would like to see an example how to redirect console messages
from scripts to Tk windows in UTF-8/16 for debugging purposes.
(I hate those ordinal not in range(128) messages)
This involves setting font (Arial MS Unicode), scrollbar and
Continue
JoeG schreef:
I disagree with your Tkinter vs. wxPython
decision. I tried a number of programs written with Tkinter and really
didn't like the interface. The program I helped develop is Windows
based and I knew that a program with the Tkinter interface would never
work as a cross platform
On 2004-12-29, Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the coverage of Twisted and adding just a few things (numarray --
I'd rather have a whole book on Twisted :p. But I'll take a more extensive
section in PiaN if I can't have it.
Dave Cook
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Dave Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2004-12-29, Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the coverage of Twisted and adding just a few things (numarray --
I'd rather have a whole book on Twisted :p. But I'll take a more extensive
section in PiaN if I can't have it.
I believe one or
Discussion of GIL and (in)ability to control thread priority.
Thanks for asking!
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I use your book a lot so another version would be helpful. I know I'll
buy a copy. Heck, I'd pay you money just to have access to the draft
while you write it.
One suggestion I have is to include chapters that expand on test based
development and lazy functions. Maybe you could go into some of
Aside from negative indices, I'd also suggest a small (and rather
obvious) example for replacing a substring:
s='spam'
s=s[:1]+'xx'+s[3:]
s
'sxxm'
- Michael
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On Wednesday 29 December 2004 18:01, Alex Martelli wrote:
snip
So -- ctypes is definitely getting a _mention_, at least... the issue
remains of whether we're talking one paragraph, like for all other
extending-tools that were already thus mentioned in the 1st edition,
or
a couple of pages (I
On 2004 Dec 30, at 19:19, Dave Reed wrote:
This discussion is making me think what would be really nice is an
advanced Python book that discusses many of the topics mentioned in
this message and earlier messages in the thread. I'd rather see an
in-depth advanced book than light coverage of the
Alex Martelli escribió:
Yes, good point... I _do_ plan another book after I'm done with the 2nd
ed Nutshell, though ti will mostly be about Design Patterns and
development methods so may not meet your exact desires...
Now I'm anxious! *that* is the book I'm waiting for :)
I think the Python
I enjoyed the first edition.
Please include:
vpython.org, twisted and pygame
and if you'll consider a gui toolkit do pygtk, we use it to develop and
deploy on both windows and linux, with glade gui designer and libglade
(loads the glade xml files in runtime). It's much easier to use than wx
and
Mariano Draghi wrote:
I think that somehow Python's J2EE equivalent is already out there
(sort of...),
I think it's called PEAK. . .
Cheers,
Nick.
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JoeG wrote:
wxPython takes on more of the native platform's interface. I say seems
to because I haven't actually written any code with it.
While Tkinter is the GUI toolkit shipped *with* Python, then that's the correct
toolkit for Alex to cover in PiaN. Mentioning other toolkits (and providing
RM wrote:
What you say is true. However, I didn't think the target audience of
this book was newbies. Python newbies yes, but not programming
newbies. For programming newbies I would recommend the Learning
Python book instead.
The availability argument, however, is a good point.
I was/am a
I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005, essentially to cover Python 2.3 and
2.4 (the current 1st edition only covers Python up to 2.2).
What I have in mind is not as complete a rewrite as for the 2nd vs 1st
edition of the Cookbook --
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:35:18 +0100, rumours say that [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Alex Martelli) might have written:
[snip: things to cover in a tentative 2nd edition of the nutshell]
and new capabilities of existing modules, such as thread-local
storage.
...which I most surely missed learning about it.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:35:18 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli)
wrote:
So, if there's any advice or request about a 2nd edition of the
Nutshell, this is the right time for y'all to let me know. Feedback is
welcome, either privately or right here. Thanks in advance -- _and_
apologies in
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:05:18 +0200, rumours say that Christos TZOTZIOY
Georgiou [EMAIL PROTECTED] might have written:
[snip: things to cover in a tentative 2nd edition of the nutshell]
[Alex]
and new capabilities of existing modules, such as thread-local
storage.
[I]
...which I most surely
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) writes:
I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005, essentially to cover Python 2.3 and
2.4 (the current 1st edition only covers Python up to 2.2).
What I have in mind is not as complete a rewrite as
I found the discussion of unicode, in any python book I have, insufficient.
Thomas
+1
Don
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As an already-experienced programmer, I came to Python via this book
and still use it as my primary reference.
As a Python beginner, I had a difficult time with the section on
Slicing a sequence (p. 47). In particular, a better explanation and
examples of negative indicies would be helpful.
Alex Martelli wrote:
I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005, essentially to cover Python 2.3 and
2.4 (the current 1st edition only covers Python up to 2.2).
So, if there's any advice or request about a 2nd edition of the
Nutshell, this
I second that
Regards,
Fuzzy
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I like the current edition. Since it is a reference work, I would like
to see it in a CD-ROM as well as in print, either packaged with a book
or as part of a Python CD Bookshelf, analogous to the other CD
bookshelves O'Reilly offers.
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Alex Martelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmmm - have you looked at Deitel, Deitel, Liperi, Wiedermann, Python
how to program, chapters 18 (Process Management) and 19
(Multithreading), pages 613-687? They seem to do a rather workmanlike
job -- of course, they can't do
Alex Martelli wrote:
the coverage of Twisted and adding just a few things (numarray --
perhaps premature to have it _instead_ of Numeric, though; dateutils,
You might want to keep in touch with the scipy/numarray gang on this particular
topic. An effort is currently under way to make scipy
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 23:54, Thomas Heller wrote:
I found the discussion of unicode, in any python book I have, insufficient.
I couldn't agree more. I think explicit treatment of implicit
conversion, the role of sysdefaultencoding, the u'' constructor and
unicode() built in, etc would be
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:41:23 +0100, Alex Martelli wrote:
Hmmm, well, the concepts are reasonably independent of the programming
language involved. If anything, threads and processes may be more tied
to whatever _operating system_ you're using. A very fundamental but
good introduction to
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005, essentially to cover Python 2.3 and
2.4 (the current 1st edition only covers Python up to 2.2).
...
Since you were kind
Alex Martelli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
: Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005, essentially to cover Python 2.3 and
: 2.4 (the current 1st edition only covers Python up to 2.2).
: So, if there's any advice or request about a 2nd
Alex Martelli wrote:
I still
believe Tkinter coverage is going to help more readers.
Alex,
I know this can be a can of worms. But honestly, I wonder what do you
base that idea on.
-Ruben
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As a tester, my vote goes to extending the Testing subsection of the
Testing, debugging and optimizing. I'd like to see more testing tools
discussed there. Maybe py.test, PyFIT, and possibly others.
Grig
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RM wrote:
Alex Martelli wrote:
I still
believe Tkinter coverage is going to help more readers.
Alex,
I know this can be a can of worms. But honestly, I wonder what do you
base that idea on.
-Ruben
Tkinter is a part of the Python core, and so will be available to the
majority of beginners.
Craig Ringer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 23:54, Thomas Heller wrote:
I found the discussion of unicode, in any python book I have, insufficient.
I couldn't agree more. I think explicit treatment of implicit
conversion, the role of sysdefaultencoding, the u''
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a Python beginner, I had a difficult time with the section on
Slicing a sequence (p. 47). In particular, a better explanation and
examples of negative indicies would be helpful.
Good point, thanks.
This is nitpicking in what I consider to be a very good book.
Fernando Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alex Martelli wrote:
the coverage of Twisted and adding just a few things (numarray --
perhaps premature to have it _instead_ of Numeric, though; dateutils,
You might want to keep in touch with the scipy/numarray gang on this
particular topic.
What you say is true. However, I didn't think the target audience of
this book was newbies. Python newbies yes, but not programming
newbies. For programming newbies I would recommend the Learning
Python book instead.
The availability argument, however, is a good point.
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Russell E. Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005, essentially to cover Python 2.3 and
2.4 (the current 1st edition only covers
c d saunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Probably not a practical sugestion, but have you considered
ctypes? I know it's proved invaluable to our group at university - we
like to make Python work with so many bits of weird hardware with vendor
supplied libraries etc ...
Yes, I was
RM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alex Martelli wrote:
I still
believe Tkinter coverage is going to help more readers.
Alex,
I know this can be a can of worms. But honestly, I wonder what do you
base that idea on.
Availability, simplicity, stability, to name three reasons. The typical
Grig Gheorghiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a tester, my vote goes to extending the Testing subsection of the
Testing, debugging and optimizing. I'd like to see more testing tools
discussed there. Maybe py.test, PyFIT, and possibly others.
Thanks! Very helpful input. Testing surely needs
RM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What you say is true. However, I didn't think the target audience of
this book was newbies. Python newbies yes, but not programming
newbies. For programming newbies I would recommend the Learning
Python book instead.
Sure (or any of the other excellent
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
Russell E. Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Martelli) wrote:
I'm considering proposing to O'Reilly a 2nd edition of Python in a
Nutshell, that I'd write in 2005,
Alex Martelli wrote:
Fernando Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A mention of the particular problems with numarray might be a good idea, so
that readers are aware of Numeric and where it may still be preferable to
numarray, but with the understanding that it's a (shrinking) niche. Hopefully
one day
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