If you are looking for something pythonic, full featured and very easy
to use, you should check this out: http://karrigell.sourceforge.net
Give it a try and let me know how it goes...
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> Boa Constructor, Iron Python etc... it seems all these projects get started,
> but never finished.
I don't know Boa (never liked it, never used it), but you could try
PythonCard: much higher level, easier and more productive. As for
Ironpython seems to be moving full steam towards a stable relea
If you read again my comment, I said "almost" an static version of
Python for .NET.
That means that it's not a Python implementation, but another language.
It takes a lot from python though, and it is aknowledeged by its
creator in the first paragraph of its homepage.
And if you still feel the nee
> that Boo isn't enough like Python to
> be a kind of Python - not necessarily a criticism, though, but an
> observation.
This is correct. I completely agree with you and I'm not saying that
boo is python.
Again, I just said that it could be considered "almost" a static python
implementation for .
Grant Edwards ha escrito:
> While we're off this topic again topic, I was watching a BBC
> series "Space Race" the other night. The British actors did a
> passable job with the American accents in the scenes at Fort
> Bliss in Texas, but the writers wrote British English lines for
> them to speak
I just want to clarify that the above mentioned web site
(www.ironpython.com) is no longer maintained.
If you want to get updated information on IronPython, you should visit
this site:
www.gotdotnet.com/Workspaces/Workspace.
aspx?id=ad7acff7-ab1e-4bcb-99c0-57ac5a3a9742
Or the mailing list here:
ht
I've never used Perl, but I know other c-like laguages, and I can tell
you what I like about python:
- It is concise, clear and to the point.
- No useless characters like curly braces and semicolons cluttering it
syntax,.
- Very readable and elegant.
- One obvious way to do each task, not thousand
I was in you situation, and I'll tell you what worked for me:
Online tutorials:
I suggest starting out with Josh Cogliati's "Non-Programmers tutorial
for Python" (http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/) .
It is an ideal introduction for a complete beginner, very easy to
follow and rig
With Karrigell (http://karrigell.sf.net/), all you need to know is
Python and HTML.
No templates, no python-like or special languages, only pure and simple
python.
You can embedd python into html or, if it better suits your programming
tyle, you can embed html into python. Why don't you give it a
I meant that it is not strictly necessary to use templates in
Karrigell, although you can use Cheetah if you want.
I'm not used to templates mainly because I'm familiar with the way PHP
works and, for simple dynamic sites like those I work on, this is the
simpliest approach.
Another reason is that
This could be done easier this way:
L = [('odd','even')[n%2] for i in range(8)]
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This could be done easier this way:
L = [('even','odd')[n%2] for n in range(8)]
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Read my reply here from another thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/25aada3c22ce6e66/cc69fd0c78384e5b?q=luis+cogliati's&rnum=1#cc69fd0c78384e5b
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IMHO, the easier alternative for building GUI apps with Python is
PythonCard.
It is based on wxWindows, and it lets you build gui apps by dragging
and dropping widgets on a form, just like VB or Delphi. It is very high
level and very easy to learn and use.
http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/
Anoth
Try PythonCard (http://pythoncard.sf.net).
Like VB or Delphi (drag and drop widgets), but much simpler, easy and
fun.
It's based on wxWidgets, and it gives your apps a native look, no
matter your platform (much nicer than Tkinter, which looks uglier and
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Pypy is not the only promisory project we have for seeing Python
running like compiled languages.
Shed Skin is already a quite usable Python-to-C++ compiler which, in
version 0.5.1, can actually compile many python scripts to fully
optimized stand-alone executables.
Next version will probably supp
> Looking to replace my older flavor of linux with something new. . .What
> are some of your favorites for python programming and anything else?
Ubuntu is developed by Canonical, a company owned by Mark Shuttleworth.
This guy is a fan of both linux and python, so if you want a linux
distro that ge
malv wrote:
> Being a fan of linux and python and granting money doesn't make your OS
> better or worse.
> I believe that shipping a linux with a compiler DIFFERENT from the one
> that was used to build the kernel is not very bright. It may never
> bother some users, but few software developpers w
It's not only about having python installed. It's also about the tools
that come with the distro.
I've played with Ubuntu's live Cd a little bit, and I saw it comes with
a lot of python related software, such as Boa Constructor, several
ides, editors, etc...
I ignore if other distros count with the
worzel wrote:
> Wth respect to coldfusion, is there much doubt about the fact that
Python is
> a more prominent and important technology?
>
> How is colfusion percieved by the Python community? Many people
belive
> coldfusion is becomeing irrelavant and is on its death bed - do
Python folk
> gener
> by the way, does anybody want to buy any coldfusion books :)
I have Sam's Teach Yourself Coldfusion by Charles Mohnike, which I
bought in 2001.
By this time I used to think that I was learning rocket science the
easy way, and thinking about learning php or asp was really scary...
these codes loo
You can do it easier now without any black magic:
class c:
def __init__(s):
s.x = 1
s.y = 2
s.hi = "Hi there!"
The word "self" is not mandatory. You can type anything you want
instead of self, as long as you supply a keyword in its place (it can
be "self", "s" or whatever you want).
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Hi there,
I'd like to know if there is a way to add and else condition into a
list comprehension. I'm sure that I read somewhere an easy way to do
it, but I forgot it and now I can't find it...
for example:
z=[i+2 for i in range(10) if i%2==0]
what if I want i to be "i-2" if i%2 is not equal to 0
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It's me wrote:
> > z = [i + (2, -2)[i % 2] for i in range(10)]
>
> But then why would you want to use such feature? Wouldn't that make
the
> code much harder to understand then simply:
>
> z=[]
> for i in range(10):
> if i%2:
> z.append(i-2)
> else:
> z.append(i+2)
>
> Or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> python.org = 194.109.137.226
>
> 194 + 109 + 137 + 226 = 666
>
> What is this website with such a demonic name and IP address? What
> evils are the programmers who use this language up to?
You dared to unveil our secret.
Now we'll have to kill you...
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Peter Hansen wrote:
> Arthur wrote:
> > Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Would there, I wonder, be any enthusiasm for a "Best Xah Lee
impression"
> >>prize at PyCon?
> >
> > And the rules of the game, if he shows?
>
> Arthur, if Xah Lee shows up at Pycon, he most definitely will
> not b
alex23 wrote:
> Luis M. Gonzalez wrote:
> > I kind of like this guy... it's like he has a few bugs in his
brain,
> > but other parts are surprisingly interesting.
>
> Which bits especially impress you, the rampant misogyny or the
> unwarranted intellectual arrog
Peter Hansen wrote:
> Yes.
Man of few words...
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Jamey,
Really, you should try to steer clear from your computer from time to
time...
Your mental health is more important than python or ruby, don't lose
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Grant Edwards wrote:
> That depends on the accent. I believe that's probably true for
> the educated south of England, BBC, received pronunciation. I
> don't think that's true for some of the other dialects from
> northern areas (e.g. Liverpool) or the "cockney" accent.
What's exactly the "cockn
From: "Simon Brunning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Luis M. Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British
accent"...
On 29 Jun 2005 15:34:11 -0700, Luis M. Gonza
Let me express it with an exaple (by the way, sorry for my bad
english):
Suppose you are planning to build a house.
You have two choices:
- Option one: Buy several thousands bricks, doors, tiles, windows,
etc... put them all together according to the blueprints and build your
home.
- Option two: Ge
Before buying a book, I suggest starting out with at least one of these
beginners tutorials available in internet:
- Non-Programmers Tutorial For Python by Josh Cogliati
(honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/)
- A Byte of Python by Swaroop CH (www.byteofpython.info)
There are many others, but
I'm sorry for you, nobody deserves to program in Java ...
I'm glad you decided to stand up for your human rights. Go learn
python!
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Try Karrigell ( http://karrigell.sourceforge.net ).
And let me know what you think...
Cheers,
Luis
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I really like Karrigell ( http://karrigell.sourceforge.net ).
It is, IMHO, the most pythonic framework because all you need to know
is the python language.
You don't need to learn any template or special language, you only use
plain and regular python.
It also gives you a lot of freedom when choosi
Peter Hansen wrote:
> Gerhard Haering wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 09:06:21AM -0400, Peter Hansen wrote:
> >>I'm not familiar with this expression. What do you mean by "black horse"?
> >
> > Maybe "the Ferrari of pythonic frameworks" (black horse on yellow
> > background being the symbol of
I'd suggest you take another path:
Since we're in a python mailing list, I assume you like python, so
instead of Kylix (or Object Pascal), you could try Boo
(boo.codehaus.org) .
Boo is not python, but it is very similar.
It could be described as a statically typed version of python for the
.NET fra
Luis M. Gonzalez wrote:
> As I said, "it is not python" (Peter Hansen, please don't jump to my
> jugular...)
Hey Pete, I was joking on that one!
Here's the missing smiley ;-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> i want to get a small certificate or diploma in python.
> it should be online cuz i live in pakistan and wont have teast centers
> near me.
> it should be low cost as i am not rich.
> and hopefully it would be something like a a begginer certification cuz
> i am new to py
linuxfreak wrote:
> Hi guys,
>Got going with python...and i must say its a pretty cool language.
> Been using Xemacs to write me programs. But I want an IDE that would
> give me auto-completion, online help and the like... Tried SPE and
> Dr.Pyhton but the former crashes regulary and the latt
Dieter Raber wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I am wondering if there is a mod_python for the above configuration. I
> downloaded mod_python-3.1.3.win32-py2.3.exe, which of course as the
> name implies keeps on asking me for a python 2.3 installation. I
> imagine one could cheat a little bit with a fake re
Dieter Raber wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I am wondering if there is a mod_python for the above configuration. I
> downloaded mod_python-3.1.3.win32-py2.3.exe, which of course as the
> name implies keeps on asking me for a python 2.3 installation. I
> imagine one could cheat a little bit with a fake re
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi everyone
> can someone suggest me where find a lot programming tricks for
> achieving the top speed in python?
> thanks everyone for patience
Check this out:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeed/PerformanceTips
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IronPython 0.9 Released(8/2/2005 10:28:41 AM)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=cf5ae627-5df1-4f8a-ba8b-d64f0676f43f&displaylang=en
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linuxfreak wrote:
> Look at Karrigell. Its a web framework for Python
>
> http://karrigell.sourceforge.net
I second this suggestion.
Karrigell is a pleasure to work with and I'm sure it will appeal any
python fun who dare to play with it.
I also hope Pierre (its developer) lose some of his modest
Well, I have no problems going to bed.
The problem is that while sleeping, I keep on coding in my head...
Sometimes I reach the "A ha!" state, then I wake up, turn on the my pc
and type the solution.
I'm a little bit worried though... I don't even have erotic dreams
anymore!
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This is great!
It's absolutely useless, like a real therapist, but it's free!
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could ildg wrote:
> Why is iron python runs so fast but jython runs so slow while C# and
> java seem very much the same?
I've been playing with Ironpython since its first release and, in my
experience, it is not faster than Cpython, although this is what they
claim.
Anyway, it is in alpha stage s
Mod_python has a PSP (python server pages - ala php) implementation.
However it's still not mature enough and, imho, it has a serious
drawback in its way to handle indentation. But this is just the first
release and I hope it will improve in the near future.
My favorite is Karrigell ( http://karri
Karrigell has new tutorial here:
http://karrigell.sourceforge.net/en/tutorial.html
For those who don't know what Karrigell is, I'd just say that it is the
most pythonic, simple, fun, straightforward and full-featured web
framework available today.
Check it out! http://karrigell.sourceforge.net/
Windows Apps:
Since you said "professional looking" applications, I assume you mean
graphical interfaces (windows - GUI):
If so, I recomend PythonCard ( http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ ).
It is very easy to use, very similar to Visual Basic or Delphi (drag
and drop widgets on a form...).
Web D
Windows Apps:
Since you said "professional looking" applications, I assume you mean
graphical interfaces (windows - GUI):
If so, I recomend PythonCard ( http://pythoncard.sourceforge. net/ ).
It is very easy to use, very similar to Visual Basic or Delphi (drag
and drop widgets on a form...).
Web
Karrigell is a very good option. Easy to learn and easy to use.
In words of his author:
"Karrigell is a simple web programming solution, written in Python. It
has been designed to be really simple to use : integrated web server
and data base ( gadfly), easy access to environement data and form
fie
I guess we all say foolishness when we're in love...
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This is great news. Congratulations!
By the way, I read in your blog that you would be releasing a windows
intaller soon.
Have you, or anyone else, managed to do it?
Cheers,
Luis
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Try PythonCard.
Very simple, very easy and based on wxPython.
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Also you can browse the Pypy-Dev archives here:
http://codespeak.net/pipermail/pypy-dev/
and post messages here: pypy-dev@codespeak.net
regards,
Luis
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Regarding rec.photo.equipment.35mm... this is not his fault.
Yesterday I tried posting to comp.lang.python and, for some strange
reason, it was posted momentarily to this group.
Regarding Cody's question:
If you are an absolute newby, try Josh Cogliati's python tutorial for
non-programmers (google
At this time, Ironpython is in pre-alpha state, not suitable for
production work.
However, we will have news about it in the next Pycon 2005, which will
be held by the end of March.
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Well, I'm not sure if this is what you want, but you could use a
dictionary:
>>> d={}
>>> for i,e in L:
if d.has_key(i):
d[i] += e
else:
d[i] = e
>>> d
{'A': 500, 'B': 200}
>>>
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Mike,
I've got a very good news for you which, to my surprise, nobody
mentioned in this thread:
Right now, Micrsoft is developing a .NET version of Python (
http://www.ironpython.com ).
It has been started as an open source project by Jim Hugunin, which was
later hired by Microsoft to keep on wor
I'm confussed...
Python 2.4 (final) hs been released a few days ago, but now I see that
Python 2.3.5 is being worked on.
Why? What does it mean?
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I'm confussed...
Python 2.4 (final) hs been released a few days ago, but now I see that
Python 2.3.5 is being worked on.
Why? What does it mean?
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MarcoL wrote:
> Hello,
> I am a VB6 programmer and I would like to learn a new high level
> language (instead of restarting from scratch with .NET...
I'd like to add that by going with Python, you'll also be able to
develop for .NET. Check this out: www.ironpython.com .
Since the developmen
Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Unfortunately this is currently not near production use, and whether
> Microsoft is funding IronPython development is up in the air:
It's true that he Ironpython's mailing list is a little bit innactive,
but this is just because there's only one person in charge of
Ironpy
Hey Dimitri,
I completely agree with you in that Python needs once for all a cool
logo.
I like your design very much, but I have a few thoughts about it:
1) I think that Python's logo should reflect its power.
If we use a mascot as its image, we would be giving the wrong idea:
that Python is a "t
I guess the simplest way to do it is like this:
>>> data = [['foo','bar','baz'],['my','your'],['holy','grail']]
>>> result=[w for d in data for w in d]
>>> result
['foo', 'bar', 'baz', 'my', 'your', 'holy', 'grail']
>>>
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I guess the simplest to do it is like this:
>>> data = [['foo','bar','baz'],['my','your'],['holy','grail']]
>>> result=[w for d in data for w in d]
>>> result
['foo', 'bar', 'baz', 'my', 'your', 'holy', 'grail']
>>>
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> > But before pushing forward any particular design, maybe it will
make
> > sense to make some sort of official logo contest on Python's main
> > website and post it on /. ?
>
I was waiting for someone to propose that :-)
I'm new to this list and Python in general, but I think that this sort
of t
This is a very good introduction online:
www.g2swaroop.net/byte-of-python
I also suggest:
- Learning Python 2nd Ed.
- Core Python
You can also try these online resources:
- Dive into Python
- Thinking in Python
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Stephan,
Since you're one of the directors of the Python Software Foundation,
could you let them know about this discussion in order to get their
approval?
If they agree, maybe you can tell us where and how to held the contest.
Just one thought:
I think that it would be good to not determine a de
> Why? If it's virtually identical, why would anyone bother even
> visiting that site? ;-)
>
> But I suspect you mean that the syntax of the language is virtually
> identical, while probably there are some significant differences.
> Maybe in the richness of its standard library? Or the size of
Peter Hansen wrote:
> And given that Boo is *not* virtually identical to Python*,
> pointing it out to a self-proclaimed newbie with a question
> about enums seems like nothing more than an ill-chosen
> moment to do a little proselytizing. Why not just start
> a thread about Boo and point it out
Steve,
I didn't want to be agressive at all. Although now that I read again my
post, it seems a little bit harsh...
But I see that very often in this list, some replies show much of
intolerance and very little politeness.
And in my oppinion, this is one of these cases.
I don't know what Doug Holt
Steve and Steve N°2,
I agree with Steve N°1 that we are all entitled to express our
oppinions, and this is the way it should be.
I don't want to give the impression that I have something personal
against anyone here, and I agree that this list is quite civilized, but
again, I'm basing my comments
Istvan Albert wrote:
> All that boo does is borrows a few syntactical constructs
> from python. Calling it virtually identical
> is *very* misleading.
That's right. I wouldn't say it is *virtually identical* because Boo is
not Python (and this was clearly stated in its web site). It is an
static
Terry Reedy wrote:
>
> [gratuitously] I agree with this...
>
well, my english is bad. I know!
>
> but I think this is silly. PyPy is an alternate implementation of
Python,
> not a different language. Stackless is a compiled extension, like
many
> others, that works with the standard implementat
I agree with you, and I don't understand why so many people insist in
"banning" the word "Boo" in this list.
What's the problem guys? Is this a taboo or something?
Isn't this list open for discussion of all things related to Python?
Isn't Boo related to Python?
And if you think it is not "related e
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
> it's the new Boo marketing motto: "have you harrassed a Pythoneer
today?"
Fredrik, I think you're being a little bit injust.
As far as I could see, everythime the word "boo" is typed, some sort of
censorship or plain bashing comes up, and I think this is not fair.
In my ca
Peter,
Thank you for taking the time to reply in such a detailed and polite
way.
I'm satisfied by your last post and, although I beg to disagree in a
few points, I'm glad to see that we are all slowly going back to a
civil way of expressing ourselves.
Regarding my first post in this thread, I hop
Don't worry..
Now we'll make a big group hug therapy and friends again!
Cheers,
Luis
Philippe C. Martin wrote:
> Sorry but I really feel this incredible waste of energy is polluting
an,
> otherwise, excellent and helpful mailing list.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Philippe
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Hi folks,
This is an interesting new article (published today Dec. 23).
Guido discusses the possibility of adding optional static typing to
Python:
http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=85551
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Sorry... I just realized that somebody else already had started a
thread on this...
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I don't understand why this discussion on optional static typing came
up right at this moment.
As far as I know, it has been discussed many times in the past, and
there even was a SIG that simply died... but it seems that it never was
something of much interest to python developers (that's my impre
> > I don't understand why this discussion on optional static typing
came
> > up right at this moment.
>
> Because Guido made some notes on it.
>
> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=85551
>
> merry christmas.
> Stephen.
Yes, I know Guido did it.
But I wonder why at this moment, jus
Robert Kern wrote:
> Automatic type inferencing is great, but sometimes the inference is
> "object". Being able to supply more information about types helps
> Starkiller keep the inferences tight and specific.
Hmm... I'm not an expert in this subject at all, but I think that when
the inference is
Robert Kern wrote:
> Starkiller, at least, can deal with cases where a variable might be
one
> of a set of types and generates code for each of this set. Explicit
type
> declarations can help keep these sets small and reduces the number of
> times that Starkiller needs to fall back to PyObject_*
James wrote:
>
http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ad7acff7-ab1e-4bcb-99c0-57ac5a3a9742
This is what I get when I follow this link:
"Operational Troubleshooting in Progress"
I've been visiting ironpython's site all day long searching for news
but nothing...
Has anyone managed t
Another alternative:
d1 = {'a':4,'b':5,'c':1,'d':2,'e':3}
il=[(v,k) for k,v in d1.items()]
il.sort()
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You are not the first lisper who fell inlove with Python...
Check this out:
http://www.paulgraham.com/articles.html
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The IDEs you've been looking at have no visual GUI designers.
For that, you can check Boa Constructor or PythonCard. These two are
based on the wxPython toolkits. There are other commercial IDEs based
on QT but I cannot comment on these cause I've never used them.
Visual Python is a plug-in for Vi
> You're poorly informed. Komodo, for instance, does indeed offer a GUI
> designer for tkinter.
You're right. Sorry... I guess I exagerated a little bit :-)
I tried Komodo and WingIDE some time ago, but it was just a quick look.
I had the impression that they didn't offer much more than other fre
I just wanted to mention that, according to the latest news from
Ironpython's mailing list, an Ironpython plug-in for Visual Studio is
on the works. Read on:
Aaron Marten wrote:
> Hi Giles,
> I'm on the Visual Studio SDK team here at Microsoft. In
> co-operation with the IronPython team, we'
As fas as I know, TurboGears is not very different.
But it is a project that unifies many different third party components
into one integrated package.
Its main component is CherryPy, which is a known python web framework.
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Perhaps you should ask yourself why you like Python first, and then
you'll probably have an answer.
I'd say that Python is all about productivity.
You can get more done in less time and with fewer lines of code because
it's more consice, flexible and expressive.
It's also very clear, easy to write
Sorry for the interruption, but...
Has anyone tried KARRIGELL??
I find hard to believe there is any easier python framework than this
one.
It's incredibly flexible, very fun, very powerful and with an almost
flat learning curve.
Go check it out (NOW!)
http://karrigell.sourceforge.net/
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> Karrigell can also work with . . . all the databases for which a Python
> API exists (sqlite, mySql, PostGreSQL, ZODB, etc).
Well, that's exactly what makes KARRIGELL so especial.
It is very flexible and lets you use whatever database or component you
want. It doesn't force you to use an specif
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