[Pythonmac-SIG] Bad download link on python.org

2006-03-14 Thread Rodney Somerstein
I didn't notice anyone mentioning this on previous discussions, but currently, if you click the download link on the left side of the main python.org site, it takes you to a page that states this about the Mac version of Python: Python 2.3 OS X 10.2 installer (requires admin privileges -- see

[Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Rodney Somerstein
As the title of this message asks, which Python should I use? And why? From following discussions here, I know why I don't want to use the built in Apple Python. So, that leaves 2 choices that both seem good, the macpython framework build and ActiveState. The main reason that I would want to u

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Rodney Somerstein wrote: > As the title of this message asks, which Python should I use? And > why? From following discussions here, I know why I don't want to use > the built in Apple Python. > > So, that leaves 2 choices that both seem good, the macpython > framewor

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 15:21, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Rodney Somerstein wrote: > >> As the title of this message asks, which Python should I use? And >> why? From following discussions here, I know why I don't want to use >> the built in Apple Python. >> >> So, that leave

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Mar 14, 2006, at 7:00 AM, Rodney Somerstein wrote: > Thanks for the answer, Bob, and thanks for the work on the > Universal build, Ronald. If someone could answer my other questions > as well, I would really appreciate it. > > As a beginner, what does having a working readline actually mea

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Rodney Somerstein
Thanks for the answer, Bob, and thanks for the work on the Universal build, Ronald. If someone could answer my other questions as well, I would really appreciate it. As a beginner, what does having a working readline actually mean to me? If I'm not building command line apps do I need that for

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Rodney Somerstein
Thanks for your extensive answer, Bob. I will definitely go with the universal build given what you have said, just to facilitate getting help with any problems I run into. As for py2app not working with that yet, I'm still a long way from having anything ready to package anyway, so that isn't

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 16:30, Rodney Somerstein wrote: > Thanks for the answer, Bob, and thanks for the work on the Universal > build, Ronald. If someone could answer my other questions as well, I > would really appreciate it. > > As a beginner, what does having a working readline actually mean to >

[Pythonmac-SIG] Python (2.3, 2.4...) + XCode (2.1, 2.2) + Extensions...

2006-03-14 Thread Hubert Holin
Paris (U.E.), le 14/03/2006 Bonjour Back when XCode 2.1 was current (no *so* long ago), I used it to build extensions for Python (first Apple's 2.3, then Bob's "official unofficial'" 2.4). Finding the right combination of flags to make the thing work was not funny.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Bad download link on python.org

2006-03-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Yes, I know about it, thanks. If I can figure out how to change it, I'll do so. Bill > I didn't notice anyone mentioning this on previous discussions, but > currently, if you click the download link on the left side of the > main python.org site, it takes you to a page that states this about

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Bill Janssen
> If it influences the answers, I am looking to build a cross-platform > application that I eventually want to be able to package for easy > installation by non-Python savvy users. I don't see a good alternative to using Apple's version, then. Or, at least, I don't know how to build a Mac insta

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Charles Hartman
I'm still not *quite* clear on the interactions here. 1. wxPython still isn't Universal, though there are rumblings in the distance. Until that happens, is it possible to use the emerging Universal build of Python with the PPC build of wxPython? I guess I mean, possible to make command-line

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Charles Hartman
On Mar 14, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> If it influences the answers, I am looking to build a cross-platform >> application that I eventually want to be able to package for easy >> installation by non-Python savvy users. > > I don't see a good alternative to using Apple's version, th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Christopher Barker
Bill Janssen wrote: > Or, at least, I don't know how to build a Mac installer that installs > a complete Python along with the other code it needs. If there's a > cookbook way of doing that, I'd be interested, too. Bill, Do you really not know about Py2App? It occasionally has some tricky bits,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python (2.3, 2.4...) + XCode (2.1, 2.2) + Extensions...

2006-03-14 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Hubert Holin wrote: > Back when XCode 2.1 was current (no *so* long ago), I used it to > build extensions for Python (first Apple's 2.3, then Bob's "official > unofficial'" 2.4). Finding the right combination of flags to make the > thing work was not fun

[Pythonmac-SIG] resizing terminal and curses

2006-03-14 Thread Nicholas Cole
I couldn't find anything in the archives related to this. Using both Apple's python and a build of python2.4.2, there seems to be a bug when using ncurses. curses.newwin() is supposed to give a new window filling the pysical terminal, but if the terminal has been resized this does not seem to hap

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Bill Janssen
> Do you really not know about Py2App? It occasionally has some tricky > bits, and doesn't yet work with the new universal build, but it is still > better than anything else out there for any platform. In fact, with my > limited testing, it has always "just worked" which I can not say for py2exe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Roger Binns
> Note that I have never used ActivePython and therefore cannot comment > on the quality of their work, or even on what they do or do not include. Also don't forget that the license for ActivePython is different than for "vanilla" Python: http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePython/license_a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Charles Hartman wrote: > I'm still not *quite* clear on the interactions here. > > 1. wxPython still isn't Universal, though there are rumblings in > the distance. Until that happens, is it possible to use the > emerging Universal build of Python with the PPC buil

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Rodney Somerstein
(Lots of stuff about non-Universal builds of stuff and other comments from various people removed...) Luckily for me, I'm still a good ways away from needing to actually create a standalone app. That is just my ultimate goal. If there isn't a universal build of py2app by the time that I'm ready

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Charles Hartman
I know I'm ignorant, but this seems to me really bizarre. Why would you go through all that? What doesn't wxPython (for example) do, that you need a GUI to do? Charles On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> Do you really not know about Py2App? It occasionally has some tricky >>

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Christopher Barker
Bill, You have unique needs that are far beyond what most people mean by "distribute my app"! Bill Janssen wrote: > none of the available-for-Python-on-the-Mac portable GUI > systems are good enough wxPython is really the only portable option right now -- what is not good enough about it for

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC: dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() causes "PyObjCPointer created" error

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 13-mrt-2006, at 19:51, Michael Glassford wrote: > I added a dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() > method to an NSTableView subclass that I have created. It's working > OK, > but every time it is called, a message like this is printed to the > error > log: > > "PyObjCPo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python (2.3, 2.4...) + XCode (2.1, 2.2) + Extensions...

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 17:04, Hubert Holin wrote: > Paris (U.E.), le 14/03/2006 > > Bonjour > > Back when XCode 2.1 was current (no *so* long ago), I used it to > build extensions for Python (first Apple's 2.3, then Bob's "official > unofficial'" 2.4). Finding the right combinatio

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 17:36, Bill Janssen wrote: >> If it influences the answers, I am looking to build a cross-platform >> application that I eventually want to be able to package for easy >> installation by non-Python savvy users. > > I don't see a good alternative to using Apple's version, then.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Recurring question - which python should I use?

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 17:50, Charles Hartman wrote: > I'm still not *quite* clear on the interactions here. > > 1. wxPython still isn't Universal, though there are rumblings in the > distance. Until that happens, is it possible to use the emerging > Universal build of Python with the PPC build of wx

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] resizing terminal and curses

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 19:00, Nicholas Cole wrote: > I couldn't find anything in the archives related to this. > > Using both Apple's python and a build of python2.4.2, there seems to > be a bug when using ncurses. curses.newwin() is supposed to give a > new window filling the pysical terminal, but

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC: dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() causes "PyObjCPointer created" error

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 13-mrt-2006, at 19:51, Michael Glassford wrote: > I added a dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() > method to an NSTableView subclass that I have created. It's working > OK, > but every time it is called, a message like this is printed to the > error > log: > > "PyObjCPo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC: dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() causes "PyObjCPointer created" error

2006-03-14 Thread Michael Glassford
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > On 13-mrt-2006, at 19:51, Michael Glassford wrote: > >> I added a dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() >> method to an NSTableView subclass that I have created. It's working >> OK, >> but every time it is called, a message like this is printed to the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC: dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() causes "PyObjCPointer created" error

2006-03-14 Thread Michael Glassford
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > On 13-mrt-2006, at 19:51, Michael Glassford wrote: > >> I added a dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() >> method to an NSTableView subclass that I have created. It's working >> OK, >> but every time it is called, a message like this is printed to the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC: dragImageForRowsWithIndexes_tableColumns_event_offset_() causes "PyObjCPointer created" error

2006-03-14 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14-mrt-2006, at 23:30, Michael Glassford wrote: > >> >> Add this call to AppKit/_AppKitSignatures.py: >> >> setSignatureForSelector( >> "NSTableView", >> "dragImageForRows:event:dragImageOffset:", >> "@@:@@N^{_NSPoint=ff}") >> >> I haven't tested this addition yet, but It Should