Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[pjwitte]

On 17/10/2016 16:05, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

pjwitte wrote:

 English German   French
--  -- --
Things V1.01Things V1.01Choses V1.01
Button V1.03Button V1.03Bouton V1.03
Exec V1.02  Exec V1.02  Exéc V1.02
Wake V1.02  Wake V1.02  Réveil V1.02
Pick V1.02  Pick V1.02  Choix V1.02
Rjob V1.02  Ljob V1.02  Rjob V1.02
Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06
Files  V1.28Dateien  V1.28  Fichiers V1.28
Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03
Channels V1.04  Kanäle V1.04Canaux V1.04
Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys V1.01
Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs V1.01
Button_Pick  V1.02  Button_Pick  V1.02  Button_Pick  V1.02
Button_Sleep V1.04  Button_Schlaf  V1.04Button_Sleep V1.04
Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03
Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03
Well, here it is at last. The definitive list. Im relieved it wasnt
any worse than this.

Oh yes, misread your statement regarding "Button frame", that one is
constant. EasyPtr tries both "Button_Schlaf" and "Button_Sleep" for
putting a Window to sleep. Let's say I'd have made a different choice
on the localization of Thing names, too, but it is as it is...

Marcel
I was right to be worried. It could have been something as incongruous 
as Schaltfläche Rahmen ;)


Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Marcel Kilgus]

pjwitte wrote:
> English German   French
> --  -- --
> Things V1.01Things V1.01Choses V1.01
> Button V1.03Button V1.03Bouton V1.03
> Exec V1.02  Exec V1.02  Exéc V1.02
> Wake V1.02  Wake V1.02  Réveil V1.02
> Pick V1.02  Pick V1.02  Choix V1.02
> Rjob V1.02  Ljob V1.02  Rjob V1.02
> Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06
> Files  V1.28Dateien  V1.28  Fichiers V1.28
> Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03
> Channels V1.04  Kanäle V1.04Canaux V1.04
> Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys V1.01
> Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs V1.01
> Button_Pick  V1.02  Button_Pick  V1.02 Button_Pick  V1.02
> Button_Sleep V1.04  Button_Schlaf  V1.04 Button_Sleep V1.04
> Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03
> Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03

> Well, here it is at last. The definitive list. Im relieved it wasnt 
> any worse than this.

Oh yes, misread your statement regarding "Button frame", that one is
constant. EasyPtr tries both "Button_Schlaf" and "Button_Sleep" for
putting a Window to sleep. Let's say I'd have made a different choice
on the localization of Thing names, too, but it is as it is...

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Wolfgang Lenerz]

Hi,

OK, so the "Files" thing will be the best test to see what version the 
user has - the name is different for all three languages.


Wolfgang

On 17/10/2016 14:26, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

pjwitte wrote:

You still need the name of the Thing to be able to use it, so yes, the
name is relevant. However, in the case of Button Frame, it appears to
be in English accross the board.

It isn't ("Button_Schlaf" in German). But why guess, all languages are
included in the distribution at

http://www.kilgus.net/smsqe/qpac/

Just try it yourself.

Marcel


   English German   French
--  -- --
Things V1.01Things V1.01Choses V1.01
Button V1.03Button V1.03Bouton V1.03
Exec V1.02  Exec V1.02  Exéc V1.02
Wake V1.02  Wake V1.02  Réveil V1.02
Pick V1.02  Pick V1.02  Choix V1.02
Rjob V1.02  Ljob V1.02  Rjob V1.02
Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06
Files  V1.28Dateien  V1.28  Fichiers V1.28
Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03
Channels V1.04  Kanäle V1.04Canaux V1.04
Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys V1.01
Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs V1.01
Button_Pick  V1.02  Button_Pick  V1.02 Button_Pick  V1.02
Button_Sleep V1.04  Button_Schlaf  V1.04 Button_Sleep V1.04
Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03
Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03

Well, here it is at last. The definitive list. Im relieved it wasnt any
worse than this.

Thanks for the input!

Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[pjwitte]

On 17/10/2016 14:26, Marcel Kilgus wrote:

pjwitte wrote:

You still need the name of the Thing to be able to use it, so yes, the
name is relevant. However, in the case of Button Frame, it appears to
be in English accross the board.

It isn't ("Button_Schlaf" in German). But why guess, all languages are
included in the distribution at

http://www.kilgus.net/smsqe/qpac/

Just try it yourself.

Marcel


   English German   French
--  -- --
Things V1.01Things V1.01Choses V1.01
Button V1.03Button V1.03Bouton V1.03
Exec V1.02  Exec V1.02  Exéc V1.02
Wake V1.02  Wake V1.02  Réveil V1.02
Pick V1.02  Pick V1.02  Choix V1.02
Rjob V1.02  Ljob V1.02  Rjob V1.02
Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06Sysdef V1.06
Files  V1.28Dateien  V1.28  Fichiers V1.28
Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03  Jobs V1.03
Channels V1.04  Kanäle V1.04Canaux V1.04
Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys  V1.01  Hotkeys V1.01
Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs  V1.01  Hotjobs V1.01
Button_Pick  V1.02  Button_Pick  V1.02 Button_Pick  V1.02
Button_Sleep V1.04  Button_Schlaf  V1.04 Button_Sleep V1.04
Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03  Button Extensions 1.03
Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03   Button Frame 1.03

Well, here it is at last. The definitive list. Im relieved it wasnt 
any worse than this.


Thanks for the input!

Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Marcel Kilgus]

pjwitte wrote:
> You still need the name of the Thing to be able to use it, so yes, the
> name is relevant. However, in the case of Button Frame, it appears to 
> be in English accross the board.

It isn't ("Button_Schlaf" in German). But why guess, all languages are
included in the distribution at

http://www.kilgus.net/smsqe/qpac/

Just try it yourself.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[pjwitte]

On 17/10/2016 12:49, Bob Spelten wrote:

Op Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:45:41 +0200 schreef pjwitte :


There doesnt seem to be an easy way to check the Qpac2 version; at
least nothing standard to determin the language. In SBASIC a heuristic
approach may be the simplest:

100 IF HOT_TYPE("button_sleep") = 4 THEN
110  EXEP 'button_sleep'
120 ELSE : IF HOT_TYPE("button_schlaf") = 4 THEN
130  EXEP 'button_schlaf'
140 ELSE : IF HOT_TYPE("button_") = 4 THEN
150  EXEP 'button_'
160 ELSE: PRINT 'Not found'
170 END IF : END IF : END IF
180 :

The keyword HOT_TYPE is built into SMSQ/E and hot_rext, and returns
err_nf if the named Thing is not present. What Id still like to know
is what other button_'es there are out there. Anyone?

The Button Frame Thing appears to be called "Button Frame" in all
languages. The sources are in among the SMSQ/E sources, although the
binary is not part of the OS but comes with Qpac2. The Button Frame is
also mentioned in the latest version of the SMSQ/E Guide. No mention
there of language differences.

The "Button Frame" is marked in the Thing list as UTIL, not an EXEC 
Job so the language  of the name seems irrelevant.
BUTTON_SLEEP/_SCHLAF is the only exception as far as QPAC2 Buttons 
are concerned.


I don't know Tobias's BSLEEP tool but there is also Jochen's BTFRAME 
to make use of the QPAC2 Frame and control your button. The bin is 
only 286 bytes but you need some extra S*Basic lines.

(It's on QLT CDv7i5 and probably the later ones.)

Bob

You still need the name of the Thing to be able to use it, so yes, the 
name is relevant. However, in the case of Button Frame, it appears to 
be in English accross the board.


As we have seen button_sleep is not the only anomaly: other Things 
have also been given localised names. But button_sleep matters more 
than the others, to my mind.


Three times lucky! Let me try again:

1) Does anyone here use localised versions of Qpac2, and

2) Could you please let me know what button_sleep is called in your 
language?


3) Alternatively, would someone please point me to the relevant 
documentation?


Per

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Re: [Ql-Users] QPAC2 and Buttons

[Bob Spelten]

Op Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:45:41 +0200 schreef pjwitte :


There doesnt seem to be an easy way to check the Qpac2 version; at
least nothing standard to determin the language. In SBASIC a heuristic
approach may be the simplest:

100 IF HOT_TYPE("button_sleep") = 4 THEN
110  EXEP 'button_sleep'
120 ELSE : IF HOT_TYPE("button_schlaf") = 4 THEN
130  EXEP 'button_schlaf'
140 ELSE : IF HOT_TYPE("button_") = 4 THEN
150  EXEP 'button_'
160 ELSE: PRINT 'Not found'
170 END IF : END IF : END IF
180 :

The keyword HOT_TYPE is built into SMSQ/E and hot_rext, and returns
err_nf if the named Thing is not present. What Id still like to know
is what other button_'es there are out there. Anyone?

The Button Frame Thing appears to be called "Button Frame" in all
languages. The sources are in among the SMSQ/E sources, although the
binary is not part of the OS but comes with Qpac2. The Button Frame is
also mentioned in the latest version of the SMSQ/E Guide. No mention
there of language differences.

The "Button Frame" is marked in the Thing list as UTIL, not an EXEC Job so  
the language  of the name seems irrelevant.
BUTTON_SLEEP/_SCHLAF is the only exception as far as QPAC2 Buttons are  
concerned.


I don't know Tobias's BSLEEP tool but there is also Jochen's BTFRAME to  
make use of the QPAC2 Frame and control your button. The bin is only 286  
bytes but you need some extra S*Basic lines.

(It's on QLT CDv7i5 and probably the later ones.)

Bob

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