Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Hi Bob, > SMSQ/E 3.31 (GoldCard.bin) starts successfully on my QL (issue 6 +SGC). > The only anomaly so far is that, while the previous 3.13 BOOTs normally > from my ROMdisq, this version forgets about the ROM1_ device it started > from and thus fails to finish the rest of the BOOT program. Thanks to you and Derek, I found out that your 3.13 "SMSQ.GOLD" was identical to 3.13 "Aurora.bin", both 255664 bytes long. That one crashes during boot on both GoldCard QL and Qemulator. The 3.13 "Gold.bin", 227694 bytes long, does not crash. But unfortunately it kills the RomDisQ, just like 3.17. So I am not any further. Probably need an even older version. Anway thanks for trying to help! Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[Ql-Users] QL2 info dump...
I did a fair bit of work on QL2 before hitting the wall in 2014. I recently went back over my documentation. While I still think the idea has merit, I don't know if it is something I can work on. For that reason, I thought I'd share some of the design decisions I'd made, for conversational purposes. At the time there was a long thread about possible changes to the QL expansion bus, which you can find here: http://qlforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=729 QL2 was to be a replacement QL mainboard. It was based around a full 68020 @ 33.33MHz. It was going to be laid out on a standard PCI card template, giving a connector of 120 pins (22+98) but in a manner not signal compatible with PCI. I dubbed it QLI. The connectors are solid, cheap, available. The QL2-BASE backplane was a simple "part-ATX" board with four passively connected PCI sockets, ATX powered. The board could be fitted behind the expansion port area of any miniATX, microATX case that could take four full-height cards. A PCI connector has 120 pins (22+98). The base had jumper connectors for sound+/-, ATX momentary switch, drive LED, power LED, reset button The pin-out of the bus brought out all needed control lines, D0:31 and A0:31. It could support a 4GB address range and work with *any* 68k CPU from 68008 to 68060. There were ground pins to both sides of the PCB every 2cm, and access to 5V @ 2A and 12V @ 1A per slot. The board was 4-layer, well grounded and very clean, signal-wise. It could sustain everything up to theoretical ~500MHz operation. QL-BASE could have been expanded later to SEVEN connectors while retaining signal integrity. The QL2-IO card implemented the main functions of the original QL, including video, ROM, serial, joystick, keyboard, sound but not microdrives. Sound +/-, /RST drive activity LED signals are also carried on the bus. It is required by the QL chipset that all components using DA0:7 be on a single card for obvious reasons. The QL2-CPU card implemented the CPU and optional expansion RAM. The QL2-EXP card would have implemented ethernet and USB - the part I am trying to bring to fruition this year and which le d me to dig this up. Any card could be upgraded independently without having to replace everything. The backplane would have been around $40. QL2-IO around $60, QL2-CPU around $60 (1MB) $80 (8MB) $100 (16MB). Others could have produced up to 4GB versions. It could have supported an Aurora re-implemented on a new PCB. It left wide open the option of creating new independent video hardware and ignoring the 8301 video function. Removing video handling from the 8301 so simplifies it that it could have been replaced by an aftermarket CPLD with 'relatively little work.' The AMP 5145154-1 pin out was: ROWA ROWB 1 GND GND 2 12V 12V 3 D30 D31 4 D28 D29 5 D26 D27 6 D24 D25 7 D22 D23 8 GND NC 9 D20 D21 10 D18 D19 11 D16 D17 === === 12 D14 D15 13 D12 D13 14 GND NC 15 D10 D11 16D8 D9 17D6 D7 18D4 D5 19D2 D3 20D0 D1 21 GND NC 22 SP0 SP1 23 SP2 SP3 24 FC0 FC1 25 FC2 /RST 26 GND NC 27 ASL RSVD 28 /NTRQ /WTRQ 29 DLED RSVD 30 SND- SND+ 31 GND NC 32 /RFSH POLL 33 RSVD /FTACK 34 RSVD /DSMC 35 /IPL0 /IPL1 36 SIZ0 SIZ1 37 GND GND 38+5 +5 39+5 +5 40 +12 +12 41 GND GND 42A0 A1 43A2 A3 44A4 A5 45A6 A7 46A8 A9 47 A10 A11 48 GND NC 49 A12 A13 50 A14 A15 51 A16 A17 52 A18 A19 53 A20 A21 54 GND NC 55 A22 A23 56 A24 A25 57 A26 A27 58 A28 A29 59 A30 A31 60 GND GND As you can see, there were 15 ground points so this interface would have had excellent grounding. (I am debating having the drive activity and sound connectors not be part of the bus.) Four +5V pins and two +12V pins would have allowed 5V @ 2A and 12V @ 1A. Designers could have also used the VGA power system to provide extra power to power hungry cards. The only card I could imagine needing it was a very large RAM card. Power had large decoupling caps at each slot. I left seven pins "NC" which were reserved and must be left not connected in all designs. I also had four pins labeled "RSVD" which were allowed to be connected and used for any private purpose. SPI or I2C comes to mind. With hindsight I would have made better provision for this. I thought it highly unlikely anyone would use over 256MB address lines over A27, so A28:A31 would also likely have been reserved in the final spec. I considered the option of multiplexing the data and address buses, but decided against it for reasons of development simplicity, scalability and flexibility. I based it heavily on Nasta and Peter's discussion about the ideal QL bus in the above linked thread . OH! And I planned to include the QL-net hardware. I forgot about that! -- Dave Park ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
I tried the official site, but I found only the current version. It would be interesting and useful to be able to download the old versions as well. 2017-04-30 17:53 GMT+02:00 Peter Graf : > Hi Giorgio, > > > Old versions of SMSQ \ E (executable and source) are available somewhere? > > Good question... The only way I found, was to search archive.org. > > But I didn't find version 3.13 there, only version 3.17. > > Which does not crash in my GoldCard system, but kills RomDisQ. > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Hi Giorgio, > Old versions of SMSQ \ E (executable and source) are available somewhere? Good question... The only way I found, was to search archive.org. But I didn't find version 3.13 there, only version 3.17. Which does not crash in my GoldCard system, but kills RomDisQ. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Old versions of SMSQ \ E (executable and source) are available somewhere? 2017-04-30 17:24 GMT+02:00 Peter Graf : > Bob Spelten wrote: > > > I have done some further testing on older GoldCard.bin files. > > After v3.13 something changed because with the v3.15 the ROMdisq is not > > initialised anew when the .bin is LRESPR'd. The same for any later > version > > (3.19 to 3.31). > > Then 3.13 is what I need. As 3.17 does not crash, this will most likely > work. > > > However as Andrea pointed out, it still works for the Aurora.bin. > > With Aurora.bin v3.31 the QL+SGC+ROMdisq runs the full BOOT from ROM1_. > > Crashes for me, but I have a red GoldCard, not a SuperGoldCard. > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Bob Spelten wrote: > I have done some further testing on older GoldCard.bin files. > After v3.13 something changed because with the v3.15 the ROMdisq is not > initialised anew when the .bin is LRESPR'd. The same for any later version > (3.19 to 3.31). Then 3.13 is what I need. As 3.17 does not crash, this will most likely work. > However as Andrea pointed out, it still works for the Aurora.bin. > With Aurora.bin v3.31 the QL+SGC+ROMdisq runs the full BOOT from ROM1_. Crashes for me, but I have a red GoldCard, not a SuperGoldCard. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Andrea Carpi wrote: > I tried "aurora.bin" on a standard QL with Gold Card > and regularly boot from my romdisq Was that the latest version? For me both "aurora.bin" and "GoldCard.bin" crash in 3.31 on standard GoldCard with RomDisQ. While the 3.17 version of "GoldCard.bin" works. > My configurations: > > QL+GC+Romdisq+Hermes I have QL+GC+Romdisq+ED floppy. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Op Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:18:39 +0200 schreef Andrea Carpi : Il 30/04/2017 13.27, Bob Spelten ha scritto: Op Sun, 30 Apr 2017 00:57:46 +0200 schreef Peter Graf [1]: Hi, was someone else able to boot GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 on a real QL , not Qemulator? Tried two machines in vain. GoldCard seems to work okay without SMSQ/E. SMSQ/E 3.31 (GoldCard.bin) starts successfully on my QL (issue 6 +SGC). The only anomaly so far is that, while the previous 3.13 BOOTs normally from my ROMdisq, this version forgets about the ROM1_ device it started from and thus fails to finish the rest of the BOOT program. Bob I tried "aurora.bin" on a standard QL with Gold Card and regularly boot from my romdisq I think that "aurora.bin" is the only binary working version on every QL hardware, whether with or without Aurora. The versions: Goldcard.bin - doesn't boot from romdisq or qubide or else Goldcard_256colours.bin - crash Aurora.bin works on both Aurora and QL mothboard. Also applies to previous versions. Try like this My configurations: QL+GC+Romdisq+Hermes Aurora+SGC+QUBIDE+SH Andrea I have done some further testing on older GoldCard.bin files. After v3.13 something changed because with the v3.15 the ROMdisq is not initialised anew when the .bin is LRESPR'd. The same for any later version (3.19 to 3.31). However as Andrea pointed out, it still works for the Aurora.bin. With Aurora.bin v3.31 the QL+SGC+ROMdisq runs the full BOOT from ROM1_. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/"; ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Il 30/04/2017 13.27, Bob Spelten ha scritto: > Op Sun, 30 Apr 2017 00:57:46 +0200 schreef Peter Graf [1]: > >> Hi, >> >> was someone else able to boot GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 on a real QL, not >> Qemulator? >> >> Tried two machines in vain. GoldCard seems to work okay without SMSQ/E. > SMSQ/E 3.31 (GoldCard.bin) starts successfully on my QL (issue 6 +SGC). > The only anomaly so far is that, while the previous 3.13 BOOTs normally from my ROMdisq, this version forgets about the ROM1_ device it started from and thus fails to finish the rest of the BOOT program. > > Bob I tried "aurora.bin" on a standard QL with Gold Card and regularly boot from my romdisq I think that "aurora.bin" is the only binary working version on every QL hardware, whether with or without Aurora. The versions: Goldcard.bin - doesn't boot from romdisq or qubide or else Goldcard_256colours.bin - crash Aurora.bin works on both Aurora and QL mothboard. Also applies to previous versions. Try like this My configurations: QL+GC+Romdisq+Hermes Aurora+SGC+QUBIDE+SH Andrea Con Open 4 Giga a 9 euro/4 sett navighi veloce, chiami e invii SMS dal tuo smartphone verso tutti i fissi e mobili in Italia. Passa a Tiscali Mobile! http://casa.tiscali.it/mobile/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Bob Spelten wrote: > Op Sun, 30 Apr 2017 00:57:46 +0200 schreef Peter Graf : > >> Hi, >> >> was someone else able to boot GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 on a real QL, not >> Qemulator? >> >> Tried two machines in vain. GoldCard seems to work okay without SMSQ/E. >> > SMSQ/E 3.31 (GoldCard.bin) starts successfully on my QL (issue 6 +SGC). On my normal GoldCard, SMSQ/E 3.31 crashes after clearing the screen. Going back to SMSQ/E 3.17 fixed this. > The only anomaly so far is that, while the previous 3.13 BOOTs normally > from my ROMdisq, this version forgets about the ROM1_ device it started > from and thus fails to finish the rest of the BOOT program. This was my next problem. ROMdisq compatibility of SMSQ/E must have broken much earlier than in the 3.31 version! In SMSQ/E 3.17, which was at least able to boot on my GoldCard, ROMdisq was already dead. Are older SMSQ/E binaries stored somewhere? It would be very kind if you could email me the SMSQ/E version, on which ROMdisq still worked. Thanks, Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Op Sun, 30 Apr 2017 00:57:46 +0200 schreef Peter Graf : Hi, was someone else able to boot GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 on a real QL, not Qemulator? Tried two machines in vain. GoldCard seems to work okay without SMSQ/E. SMSQ/E 3.31 (GoldCard.bin) starts successfully on my QL (issue 6 +SGC). The only anomaly so far is that, while the previous 3.13 BOOTs normally from my ROMdisq, this version forgets about the ROM1_ device it started from and thus fails to finish the rest of the BOOT program. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: "http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/"; ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Hi Alain, thanks for the feedback. I mean the normal Gold Card, not the Aurora binary. An older SMSQ/E version still works. Peter Am 30.04.2017 um 10:25 schrieb Alain HAOUI: > Hi Peter, > Maybe different from your config but on my SGC+Aurora+QL, SMSQ/E 3.31 starts > fine with aurora binary. > Regards, > Alain > > -Message d'origine- > De : "Peter Graf" > Envoyé : 30/04/2017 00:57 > À : "ql-us...@q-v-d.com" > Objet : [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem > > Hi, > > was someone else able to boot GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 on a real QL, not > Qemulator? > > Tried two machines in vain. GoldCard seems to work okay without SMSQ/E. > > Regards, > Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem
Hi Peter, Maybe different from your config but on my SGC+Aurora+QL, SMSQ/E 3.31 starts fine with aurora binary. Regards, Alain -Message d'origine- De : "Peter Graf" Envoyé : 30/04/2017 00:57 À : "ql-us...@q-v-d.com" Objet : [Ql-Users] GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 boot problem Hi, was someone else able to boot GoldCard SMSQ/E 3.31 on a real QL, not Qemulator? Tried two machines in vain. GoldCard seems to work okay without SMSQ/E. Regards, Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
