RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Norman Dunbar
Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : what is a 6 layer (or 4 layer) board ? I suspect it is to do with the track layour, but all the boards I ever used were 'double sided' = 2 layer ??? Your in ignorance, Norman. PS. Be gentle when you reply ! -

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Jerome Grimbert
} Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : } } what is a 6 layer (or 4 layer) board ? } I suspect it is to do with the track layour, but all the boards I ever used } were 'double sided' = 2 layer ??? } } Your in ignorance, } Norman. } } PS. Be gentle when you reply ! Well, you can also have

Re: [ql-users] Progs.be FTP links

2002-01-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Thierry Godefroy wrote: Are you speaking about the PROXY FTP command: It was more like ftp host1: ftp host2: [...login,pass...] [...login,pass...] PASV

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Norman Dunbar
Thanks for that simple explanation Jerome. Does that mean that a 4 layer board is really 2 * two layers plus an insulator between and then when each pair of layers has been etched, the board is 'glued' together? I mean, it would be difficult to etch out the tracks in the middle two layesr

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Tony Firshman
-Original Message- From: Norman.Dunbar Sent: 11 January 2002 11:29 To: ql-users Cc: Norman.Dunbar Subject: RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : what is a 6 layer (or 4 layer) board ? I suspect it is to do with the track layour,

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Claude Mourier 00
In the GD3 of a future SMSQ incarnation ? -Message d'origine- De : Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 11 janvier 2002 13:23 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card (...) A hologram screen would be very nice. -- QBBS

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Norman Dunbar
Thanks tony. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - -Original Message- From: Tony

RE: Re: [ql-users] Making PCBs (was Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card)

2002-01-11 Thread Ian . Pine
What equipment do you use to apply the etch-resist pattern to the boards, etch them, and then bond them together? Is it all very expensive for a hobbyist to produce one-off boards for experiments prototypes? (Probably nothing as complicated as a Q40 board.) In comparison to, say, the cost of

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Dexter
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: Hear hear and I really like the hand-routing exercises. Using auto-routers is a bit like getting a plumber in and never quite liking what he did, and complaining about the cost. I remember one board Arnie was working on. I stuck the

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 at 12:09:27, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks for that simple explanation Jerome. Does that mean that a 4 layer board is really 2 * two layers plus an insulator between and then when each pair of layers has been etched, the board is 'glued' together? I

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Dexter
This post contains information of interest to non-techy people too - it's well worth a read, imho ;) On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: More or less... well, more. The GF does not have IDE, so a few additional bits will be needed. Also, I think I am using the IDE decode of the chip for

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread ZN
On 1/11/02 at 3:08 PM Tony Firshman wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: Arvid Borretsen (spelling probably worng) even suggested that one might make pcbs on high quality gloss paper with an inkjet printer. He even gave me some metal impregnated ink, but I never got round to

RE: Re: [ql-users] Making PCBs (was Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card)

2002-01-11 Thread ZN
On 1/11/02 at 12:44 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What equipment do you use to apply the etch-resist pattern to the boards, etch them, and then bond them together? Is it all very expensive for a hobbyist to produce one-off boards for experiments prototypes? The real problem is the thru-hole

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Dexter
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: Ahhh, memories. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. That's only because the brain cells don't work as well as they used to :-) (Translation: Yes, you ARE old! :-) ). And you say this today, Jan 11 2002. My birthday. ;) *mock scowl* Dave

Re: [ql-users] Making PCBs (was Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card)

2002-01-11 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 at 12:44:08, wrote: (ref: Hb5f11cf080d.1010753047.ln4p1327.ldn.swissbank.com@MHS) What equipment do you use to apply the etch-resist pattern to the boards, etch them, and then bond them together? Is it all very expensive for a hobbyist to produce one-off boards for

Re: [ql-users] Making PCBs (was Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card)

2002-01-11 Thread Dexter
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: I know Stuart Honeyball produced some commercial boards but printing direct onto special film. How? He didn't have a laser printer at the time and I did them for him (8-)# It apparently worked very well, but there is loss of quality. No chance

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread ZN
On 1/11/02 at 12:23 PM Tony Firshman wrote: Last time I said this to Nasta, he said he was working on an 1800 x something screen - (8-)# I've learned two things early on: 1) Almost any kind of CAD requires all the pixels you can possible get. 2) One gets only one pair of eyes. Invest in thy

Re: [ql-users] Making PCBs (was Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card)

2002-01-11 Thread ZN
On 1/11/02 at 6:59 PM Dexter wrote: I know Stuart Honeyball produced some commercial boards but printing direct onto special film. It apparently worked very well, but there is loss of quality. No chance of .5mm romdisq type pitches by this method. The loss of quality is because you need to

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread ZN
On 1/11/02 at 6:23 PM Dexter wrote: Ahhh, memories. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. That's only because the brain cells don't work as well as they used to :-) (Translation: Yes, you ARE old! :-) ). And you say this today, Jan 11 2002. My birthday. ;) *mock scowl* Happy

Re: [ql-users] Future of QL - Part 1E121 (I had to increment it ! ;-)

2002-01-11 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
At 06:45 ðì 11/1/2002 +0100, you wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:04:59 +0100, Richard Zidlicky wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:00:33PM +0100, Thierry Godefroy wrote: No criticism whatsoever however just to satisfy my curiosity and with my limited knowledge, isn't the method you

Re: [ql-users] Making PCBs (was Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card)

2002-01-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In article Hb5f11cf080d.1010753047.ln4p1327.ldn.swissbank.com@MHS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What equipment do you use to apply the etch-resist pattern to the boards, etch them, and then bond them together? Is it all very expensive for a hobbyist to produce one-off boards for experiments

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

2002-01-11 Thread Roy Wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP When I do a circuit, I always make a same size cardboard copy, with stick on tracks. I then add major components/sockets and use this to test fitting etc. superHermes went to many shows like this, before we went into