Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 22:13, Peter Graf wrote: . I also think Marcel and Wolfgang work hard. Wolfgang does it without financial reward, a fact that has my full respect and appreciation. I hope that those Q40/Q60 developers who, unlike me, see enough reason to follow Marcel's SMSQ/E route,

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 18:44, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Do I hear the sound of rattles being thrown out of prams once more, children? rattle, rattle For goodness's sake, bury the hatchets now (and I don't mean in each other's heads). grin This is rapidly turning into another all too public

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 14:52, Jerome Grimbert wrote: Oh, excuse-me, but I'm only using (and developping it too) on Q40. I won't call that a waste! No, it isn't, of course not. Wolfgang

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 12:06, Fabrizio Diversi wrote: Again, It should be clear that I am not an expert on this matter , i do not have any special expertise . Perhaps - but at least you TRY (and succeed) to do something with the sources. Just one think , I have as my hobby to play with QL and

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 20:28, Tarquin Mills wrote: (...) I like the QL because it (the QL community) is in general polite and friendly. Yes, that's true - and it makes the occasional storm only stand out that much stronger. But, always the optimist, I hope that this might clear the air for a

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 13:55, Bill Cable wrote: (...) I knew the QL was very special the first time I switch it on and am pleased to see it receive credit as a key motivator for the Open Source Movement. :-) Just to put a further cat amongt the pigeons (I'm in a provocative mood today), let me

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 14 Oct 2003 at 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (...) Forget this idea. I never sold nor trusted Q60 SMSQ/E versions after Tony Tebby. I can understand that you didn't sell any. But not trust any newer version? Do you mean there are, what, timebombs in the code? Somebody, on purpose,

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:11:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Oct 2003 at 22:13, Peter Graf wrote: . snip To some extent, QPC and Qx0 might be seen as competing with each other, (I've heard this being said) even though, for me, they are definitely not. I do not think that the Qx0 and QPC

[ql-users] Q40 Rom

2003-10-15 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Hello, I will provide a lot of details just to request a small information! This is mainly for hardware people... The provided Eprom with the Q40 are two 27C1024, making it for 256KB. Looking at my latest SMSQ/E (which must be 3.01), the current size of the file might be only a few KB short to

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:11:17 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Oct 2003 at 13:55, Bill Cable wrote: (...) I knew the QL was very special the first time I switch it on and am pleased to see it receive credit as a key motivator for the Open Source Movement. :-) Just to put a further cat

Re: [ql-users] Q40 Rom

2003-10-15 Thread Fabrizio Diversi
I am interested too, I would like to add also why not useflash eprom. Hoping in an answer . FabrizioJerome Grimbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,I will provide a lot of details just to request a small information!This is mainly for hardware people...The provided Eprom with the Q40 are two

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Forwarded answer from Peter to my last mail, posted with his agreement. I leave it at that. --- Marcel wrote: But if I asked for the Qx0 schematics (the equivalent of my software in the hardware world), would you give them to me? Yes of course, as soon as my turnover breaks even with my

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Dilwyn Jones wrote: The two programs running in the background are DirectCD and AVG anti-virus. Anti-virus programs are always a source of trouble and sometimes big slow-downs. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-15 Thread Darren . Branagh
Nope. As far as I know, I never said a word. Actually, I'd forgotten about it to be honest!! Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. BOI Group Data Classification -

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:05, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: I do not think that the Qx0 and QPC are directly competing with each but they do indirectly. To explain: Basing an OS around an emulator, tempts users to totally abandon hardware for software only. Oh boy, do I disagree with

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 10:29, Dilwyn Jones wrote: That implies the rattle is still in your hand and not yet been thrown, right? No, it's the echo. (...) This IS a subject that affects many (perhaps even all) of us. As long as something constructive comes out of it (e.g. agreement on updated

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:59, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: (...) The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0). SMSQE - OK The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this. SMSQE OK

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:05, Phoebus R. Dokos (è á. ç) wrote: (all cut) Just a very quick reply to one point.; I'll probably rply to more of this later. There is NOTHING - in the licence - in what I have ever said that stops you from developping code specific to a machine. You want to

[ql-users] error lines

2003-10-15 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Anyone know how to get the statement number within a line when an error occurs? Obviously, ROMs which support ERLIN return the line number. It would be helpful to get the statement number as well for debugging purposes - what I'd like is for my debugging routine to return something like: REPORT

Re: [ql-users] defragment

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:37:50 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. As far as I know, I never said a word. Actually, I'd forgotten about it to be honest!! Cheers, Not Darren's fault... It's not indeed an Irishman ;-) The fault is all Rich's :-) I was asking him if he knew of any proper (ie

Re: [ql-users] Linus Torvalds, the QL, and open source

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:58:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Oct 2003 at 3:05, Phoebus R. Dokos ( . ) wrote: (all cut) snip more I have repeatedly stated on this list that OF COURSE I would include code that beneftis only one machine - provided, it is not done in such a way to

Re: [ql-users] error lines

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:22:32 +0100, Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how to get the statement number within a line when an error occurs? Obviously, ROMs which support ERLIN return the line number. It would be helpful to get the statement number as well for debugging purposes -

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 15 Oct 2003, at 10:56, Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντό wrote: (...) Well that's restriction 1... As seen below you have to be able to distribute legitimate copies both in binary and in source form so... it's not OK That's the restriction, alright. (...) To your (*) that alone breaks

Re: [ql-users] Isn't it open source?

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:58:03 +0200, Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Wolfgang, Snipped the whole previous message As answering to individual points makes a little difficult to concentrate my whole argument I will write a response with two examples on why the current license can in

[ql-users] DJC 16

2003-10-15 Thread Derek Stewart
Hi, I was going up the M6 in England, last week just North of Stoke to see my girlfriend, when a red Porsche flew pasted me with the registration number DJC 16 I wondered where Dilwyn was going in such a rush. Derek

Re: [ql-users] QLwIP, Ethernet, USB, Q60 successor

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Roy wood wrote: There were one or two teething problems when the code changed to incorporate the faster memory but there were in the original code and just shown up by the new code. (That is right isn't it Marcel?). If you're referring to the RECHP problem you're right, I suspect the problem

[ql-users] QPAC

2003-10-15 Thread Christopher Cave
For some time now, the JOBS facility under QPAC2 has indicated corrupt memory for all jobs. Naturally this has made me a bit suspicious of some of my programming but I have now tackled the problem and find that the problem persists even when booting with the following: LRESPR

Re: [ql-users] DJC 16

2003-10-15 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos ( . )
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:05:16 +0100, Derek Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was going up the M6 in England, last week just North of Stoke to see my girlfriend, when a red Porsche flew pasted me with the registration number DJC 16 I wondered where Dilwyn was going in such a rush. Derek

Re: [ql-users] QPAC

2003-10-15 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Christopher Cave wrote: This is under QPC2 v3.03, SMSQ/E v2.99, QPCA2 v1.38 JOBS v1.02. Any bright ideas? Should I have upgraded QPAC2 sometime? Yes. Marcel

Re: [ql-users] QPAC

2003-10-15 Thread wlenerz
On 15 Oct 2003 at 21:53, Christopher Cave wrote: Any bright ideas? Should I have upgraded QPAC2 sometime? Oh yes, ask your supplier to send you a new version of QPAC2 Wolfgang