Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On 21 Nov 2004 at 4:30, Tony Firshman wrote: I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony (and David!) as I said in an earlier email, don't punish this community in its entirety because of one (or several) disparaging comments made on/off this list. C'me on people, this is the real world - some people WILL not like what you say, WILL make fun of you, WILL ignore you etc... That doesn't mean that most of them will think the same. And, David, just because you have no reaction doesn't mean that you haven't be read and aprreciated. This, I think, is part of the nature of this list. Let's not take ourselves too seriously! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. On the subject of the formn isn't that one written by the canadian Paragraph? Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Cadman Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 So, just to extend the debate around Quanta itself a bit further ... make the effort to attend a local sub-group, where you can. I organise the London Quanta Group ... and we just get on with it. A few members can keep things going. Non-attenders don't ... :-) I did think of extending the Quanta debate to subgroups, particularly as London has such a successful one. If my memory is good, members pay an extra subscription to be a member of the London sub group and they would not do that if it was not worth going to. People complain about the stairs and the lack of parking when you run a London show. What most do not realise is that the London Workshops are the only ones that are not financed by Quanta centrally. You have some magic there in London - what is it? In fact we know very little about sub groups in general and I suspect several are inactive, but others are thriving. But what do they do other than organise the occasional show? Surely some have interesting projects which would provide an article for the magazine. I believe the Manchester Sub-Group sits around and listens to Judy Garland records with the occasional burst of excitement when Elvis has been sighted in the Trafford Centre ;-). If I have a slightly wrong impression of their activities, perhaps they could tell us what they really do, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] Nasty email
I too have received the nasty email, although I don't quite share Tony's indignation. Perhaps it was my probation background - I am more used to I should punch your fucking head in, you cunt (Laddie got a probation order for that offence and never offended again!) The email was addressed to the ql-users group with copies to Tony and me. Has anyone received this? I disagree with Tony on one point. I think it should be made public, because that it what the sender intended and it is also a contribution to the debate we have had on Quanta. Unfortunately the email does break most of our list etiquette in the sense that it is an HTML text with a large font size and I had to expand to a full screen to read it (even in OE). It also has shouting in the subject line. On this point John Mason is a newcomer to this group and we should allow him to make the beginner's mistakes. I intend to write to John to ask what his intention is, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
Geoff Wicks wrote: So, just to extend the debate around Quanta itself a bit further ... make the effort to attend a local sub-group, where you can. I organise the London Quanta Group ... and we just get on with it. A few members can keep things going. Non-attenders don't ... :-) [snip] In fact we know very little about sub groups in general and I suspect several are inactive, but others are thriving. But what do they do other than organise the occasional show? Surely some have interesting projects which would provide an article for the magazine. [snip] Arnold Clarke egg hatching machine (controlled by QL) might make an article, please persuade Arnie to write one, but when I send articles to Quanta they do not get published. Our next meeting is at 1pm today and is an important one. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] SMSQE SITE
Hi all, There is now some additional information on the SMSQE Website. First of all, a list of all the basic keywords known to Fraçois Van Emelen, who maintains the list of all known keywords. Second, the list of Config IDs known to MenuConfig. I shall now maintain this list. Submit your requests for COnfig IDs to me and no longer to Jochen. The site addres hasn't changed: www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com/smsqe Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:02:50, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 21 Nov 2004 at 4:30, Tony Firshman wrote: I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony (and David!) as I said in an earlier email, don't punish this community in its entirety because of one (or several) disparaging comments made on/off this list. C'me on people, this is the real world - some people WILL not like what you say, WILL make fun of you, WILL ignore you etc... That doesn't mean that most of them will think the same. And, David, just because you have no reaction doesn't mean that you haven't be read and aprreciated. This, I think, is part of the nature of this list. Let's not take ourselves too seriously! I mean for the questionnaire. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:20:07, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 21 Nov 2004 at 1:13, Tony Firshman wrote: PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. On the subject of the formn isn't that one written by the canadian Paragraph? It is - amended. It the cold light of day, I am not feeling so angry. I am glad the msg I refer to did not actually reach the list, although I think it was meant to. Was it moderated? I hope the sender will not make it public as it too was an angry email which did not help the situation. I don't think he reads the list, but can those on the committee pass the message on please. You know who I am talking about probably. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Nasty email
Geoff Wicks wrote: Unfortunately the email does break most of our list etiquette in the sense that it is an HTML text with a large font size and I had to expand to a full screen to read it (even in OE). It also has shouting in the subject line. On this point John Mason is a newcomer to this group and we should allow him to make the beginner's mistakes. Hyper Browse was originally designed to convert HTML to text for sending in emails, so your QL could help in situations like this. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
RE: [ql-users] Proforma Filter
To answer the point about power authority in a general but relevant way in human society power is not an attribute that any individual has intrinsically it is actually something that is given by those who are under the authority of the powerful indivdual. Sometimes it is given because gun barrels are pointing and sometimes because of a collective belief eg in democracy or a religion. You saw the collapse of a collective belief in a particular power structure in eastern europe with the collapse of soviet hegemony. So back to the QL world a realistic project that has the support of a significant number of people will empower the project leader. Is there a realistic project proposed for the proforma filter? If so the leader of the project will be empowered by interested parties. Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wolfgang Lenerz Sent: 21 November 2004 09:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter On 20 Nov 2004 at 10:22, Roy wood wrote: (...) . If you say, 'I have written this but I don't know how to take this further' then that is reasonable. If you say, 'I have written this and it does all I need so I am stopping now' when you are capable of taking it a bit further and helping the rest of the users then you place yourself in the position of not being able to ask for help in other areas. provocation mode Will I want to?/provocation mode - well morally anyway. This was what I was trying to say. Oh, and incidentally, I mainly agree with you. I just thought I'd produce an outcry to see exactly where we are going. In this, I failed miserably. More seriously, this sort of thing we are trying to do has, to my knowledge never happended before in the QL world, except for SMSQ/E. What we need are some clearly defined goals and specifications (i.e we need to produce THIS software with THESE features functioning in THAT way). Joachim is on the way to define these specs pretty nicely - some more effort there, and we'll have a starting point. Then, somebody needs to take charge and parcel out the work to those who want it. On another level, this is exactly what Geoff did with QL 2004 (and many of us don't really realise how much we owe him for that, and how much of the success of QL 2004 was his!). So we need someone in charge (NOT me) who keeps bullying people to their part of the work. These people are supposed to do this for the good of the community - because it certainly won't be for a financial reward (let's not kid ourselves here, Quanta financing of something like that will never happen). The problem with this is that, we, as a community, are not! We're no community but rather a loose collection of individuals with, at some time, some common interest - which for many has been waning over the years... So what power does the person in charge have to make the others do what is needed? If he doesn't have that power is the project realistic at all? Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
I have decided to forward this message as I think all Quanta members should read it. Derogatory comments about a third person have been removed. - Original Message - From: john mason To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Mason ; Geoff Wicks ; John Gregory ; Roy Brereton ; John Gilpin ; John Southern ; Tony Firshman Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH From: Chairman QUANTA To: ALL Subscribers QUANTA FORUM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copy to: Geoff Wicks, Tony Firshman, QUANTA Committee DTO: 201104:2030Z ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH Some seven years ago Quanta Committee decided that it would be good for QL'ers to have their own Internet based Forum. Robin Barker, then Chairman, very kindly undertook the task of setting this up. At the same time he rationalised email contact with Committee Members by providing a system of email addresses which automatically forward to Committee Members no matter how many times they themselves change or how many times their personal email addresses do so as well. There were problems with the first chosen ISP, and another was found. The QUANTA email Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] site has more than proved its value to Quanta members as a place to present news, exchange ideas, solve problems, and perhaps most importantly debate issues of interest to the QL fraternity. Most topics are constructively discussed but not surprisingly occasionally debate gets quite heated. Fortunately, up to now, Quanta Committee have not had to intervene since the Forum has proved to be self regulating, and itself dealt quickly with any offender. That, unfortunately, cannot be said to be the position since mid October last. An email was posted on the board in which a subscriber alleged that Quanta is out of touch with the QL community, boasted that I had hijacked the QL2004 idea, said I don't regret doing it because we are going to have a bloody good time on Sunday , continued it would not have happened if we had left it to Quanta. Carried away by his own verbosity he carries on for some time making yet more allegations. Eventually saying Another thought I am having is what is the point of Quanta making another £1,000 profit if it never spends its money on anything and finally remarks Having written that I should remind everyone that I am a member of the Quanta committee and I accept a degree of responsibility, Within four minutes of this email being sent a second subscriber responded - adding to not, unfortunately, rebuking the first. Seemingly mistaking Quanta Committee's Freedom of Speech tolerance policy for something else the dialogue continued with the same slant, and eventually, on Saturday 12th November, an assertion was made naming a member and capable of being interpreted as being defamatory. In so doing they have put both themselves and QL Users and Tinkerers Association at risk. If they desire to do so to themselves that is one thing; but to imperil Quanta is another. Committee has, over the years, dealt with a number of situations in which members have put themselves very close to the line. Fortunately, for Quanta as a whole, Committee have not had, so far, to invoke the Constitution to resolve same. I have no intention of responding to the assertions made on a point by point basis. That would be even more destructive. I would be, however, failing in my duty to all Quanta Members if I did not seek to correct some of that which has been portrayed as being ascertainable fact. 1. It is true that Geoffrey Wicks was elected to this year's Committee at the Quanta Annual General Meeting held in Manchester on Sunday 18th April 2004. The Meeting was fully aware that he had the status of a QL Trader. 2. It is true that Geoffrey Wicks did attend the meeting of Quanta Committee held at Hove on Sunday 23rd May 2004. Further he did participate freely in the matters then considered, and moreover agreed that Roy Brereton should continue to be responsible for the Quanta International Workshop to mark the 21st Anniversary of both the QL and of QUANTA . The workshop to be held in the Portsmouth area, and at a time which would permit the inclusion of the Annual General Meeting for 2005. 3. It is true that neither at the Hove Committee Meeting nor since has he made any attempt to approach either Roy Brereton or myself, as common courtesy expects, with an offer to assist in any way with the QL is 21 proposed Quanta International Workshop. 4 paragraphs of derogatory comment removed*** ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH Quanta Committee has and will, as always, continue to welcome constructive contributions on the topic of a Quanta International Workshop in 2005; but as and from the Sent date and time of this email any further attempts to extend the recent non-constructive
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Tony wrote The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. A forlorn hope I am sure. But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. There has been some pretty sarcastic comment about me personally in a private email (I think) from a Quanta committee member on another matter which, on reflection, has annoyed me more than I thought at the time. I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. DT ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09, David Tubbs wrote: But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Yes of course, why didn't I think of that? Why don't you, Tony, make this available on your website and poll the results yourself? I'm sure it would be very interesting for all of us! (...) Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. No, actually it isn't. As for the subject matter itself: You said NO one is without access to the Web. I state to you that I know somebody who is. Instead of acknowledging that, thus, the above assertion is not right, you simply say oh this is by his own choice. 1 - Does it matter? the fact is that there is at least one QL person without access to the web, proving your assertion wrong. 2 - How could you possibly know why that person doesn't have access to the web? My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. Move to Australia ? :-) (I include the emoticon to show you that this was supposed to be a joke and not a flippant remark by which I'd disregard your comments - okay) Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:18:38, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09, David Tubbs wrote: But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Yes of course, why didn't I think of that? Why don't you, Tony, make this available on your website and poll the results yourself? I'm sure it would be very interesting for all of us! OK that is a good compromise. I will change it to a more general survey and simply manipulate a database myself locally. That will be easier than assembling the results in email form. I will modify the form and invite comments please. This form will be there for years to come, so it is important to get it as complete as possible right from the start. I have to go out today, but will start the job this evening. Still no comment from anyone on the committee about the form detail or whether they want to use it. Mind you come to think of it I have only talked about it on the list - whoops. I will email the committee direct. (Is that phrased better David T (8-)# That is what I meant to say the first time. I have known you too long to imply you don't matter!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re[2]: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
Hello All, I would just like to stipulate this is NOT a Quanta List. The welcome instructions setup a long, long time ago. :- Welcome --- Welcome to the QL/SMS mailing list! This list is for any discussion related to QL/SMS be it news, help, queries, for sale etc. Off topic discussions (not related to QL/SMS) are not appreciated. Being a member of this list is a privilege and you may lose that privilege if you abuse your subscription. I maintain the list. Bruce (Quo Vadis Design) [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sunday, November 21, 2004, 2:11:23 PM, you wrote: WL On 21 Nov 2004 at 13:46, gwicks wrote: I have decided to forward this message as I think all Quanta members should read it. (...) WL I have up to now pretty much kept out of the Quanta debate itself, more out WL of boredom than anything else. Two questions only as to this messahe: (...)The QUANTA email Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] site (...) WL What? This here is a Quanta list? WL (...) but as and from the Sent date and time of this email any further attempts to extend the recent non-constructive line will be regarded as being an abuse, and not tolerated. WL Oh yeah? And just what does this gentleman propose to stop people WL talking/emailing? WL As for the rest of that message : grow up - please! WL Wolfgang WL WL www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com WL ___ WL QL-Users Mailing List WL http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
At 10:56 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Arnold Clarke egg hatching machine (controlled by QL) might make an article, please persuade Arnie to write one, but when I send articles to Quanta they do not get published. Our next meeting is at 1pm today and is an important one. -- Tarquin Mills Just the sort of thing I meant under Home (gnome) brew ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Tony Firshman schrieb: OK - I have put my money where my mouth is: http://www.firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi The form is the only thing there that works so far. I would appreciate comments, especially to complete the drop down lists. Some are -very- incomplete! I have added two extra items to section 5, or am I misreading the question on the original form. To me that is asking the questionee whether they want to personally develop software and/or hardware. well done tony! better to do something than just complain! wouldn't it be good to expand the printer-section to esc/p2|pcl|postscript? (relating to the nerver lasting printer discussion in here?) wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re[2]: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
On 21 Nov 2004 at 15:24, Bruce N wrote: I would just like to stipulate this is NOT a Quanta List. Thanks for making this clear, Bruce! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:58:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Give people time to respond ... John Mason had time to write that angry email (8-)# What was the address again ? You have probably seen it a dozen times since you wrote this but it is: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Thanks, Tony. And keep up the good work. The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter
O Ok, lets us make a small list so we already have 1. PROforms, with drivers for a base set of printers. 2. Wolfgang's conversion program which AFAIU converts plain ASCII Yes, plain ASCII into Proforma. I hope the people on this list who have reported erros have re-downloaded it, and it works now for them, too. (???) we need (to get started) 3. PFF device driver Have I understood your explanations earlier on correctly, in that this device driver actually only puts the (ASCII) file into a pipe? The filter prog can then get the data from the pipe squirt it to PROforma? 4. FILTER thing Sorry, what does that do? Do we need this? If the device driver starts the filter job, which then prints to the new proforma gstate - isn't that all the accounting we need? nice to have (to make it more useful) 5. FILTER program for native PROforma intermediate language ?? 6. support for (part of) a native printer format, like some ESC/P command 7. more printer drivers YESS I've looked (and looked and looked ) at your 'c' code for proforma printer drivers. I could probably tinker around with some of them, but I can't say I understand them! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: O Ok, lets us make a small list so we already have 1. PROforms, with drivers for a base set of printers. 2. Wolfgang's conversion program which AFAIU converts plain ASCII Yes, plain ASCII into Proforma. I hope the people on this list who have reported erros have re-downloaded it, and it works now for them, too. (???) we need (to get started) 3. PFF device driver Have I understood your explanations earlier on correctly, in that this device driver actually only puts the (ASCII) file into a pipe? The filter prog can then get the data from the pipe squirt it to PROforma? Yes. I hope this makes it the easier device driver ever. Now there are some extra details though. It actually contacts the FILTER thing to ask for the device (could be a pipe or a temporary file) where the data needs to be written. The FILTER thing has two parameters, the printer number, and the intermediate type (a code). The default printer is 1, the default intermediate code is determined by the FILTER thing (configured in it somewhere). When the FILTER thing does not know the requested intermediate type, it returns an error (and so will the device driver). 4. FILTER thing Sorry, what does that do? Do we need this? If the device driver starts the filter job, which then prints to the new proforma gstate - isn't that all the accounting we need? A device driver is supervisor mode. It cannot start a seperate job IIRC. The FILTER thing can be configured to know which printer numbers (as used by the device driver) are which physical printers (connected where), and using which printer driver (ESC/P, ESC/P2, HP, Canon etc). The FILTER thing also known which intermediate formats are supported. This is done by the FILTER jobs which (when started) register themselves with the FILTER thing (hey, I am willing to accept data in format ASCII). nice to have (to make it more useful) 5. FILTER program for native PROforma intermediate language ?? This would allow commands like rgb 100 0 0 l 0 0 100 50 f Courier New fs 10 o 200 10 t Something to print p Which would mean - choose colour with 100% red, 0% green 0% blue (this colour is also knwon as red - draw a line from (0,0) to (100,50). The writer of the filter job should determine (and fix) whether this is in pt, mm or whatever. - choose font names Courier New - choose font size 10 - set origin to (200,100) - write out text Something to print, this will be in red, at given origin, in Courier New at font size 10, as these are the values set before. - emit the page In general, all PROforma commands should get their respective command, and maybe some combinations as shorthands. Then including vector and bitmap graphics, full support of fints and font sizes would also be usable by other programs. 6. support for (part of) a native printer format, like some ESC/P command 7. more printer drivers YESS I've looked (and looked and looked ) at your 'c' code for proforma printer drivers. I could probably tinker around with some of them, but I can't say I understand them! I think (not think not sure anymore) that there was a part in the docs about how to write printer drivers. The basic concept is that PROforma renders everything into a buffer. The details about what such a buffer should look like is configured in the driver (and possibly handled with the help of a specific bitmap driver). Then you dump such a buffer to the port where the printer is attached. There really is no magic to this. It only gets a bit more difficult when the printer supports some kind of compression, and this is taken into account by the driver (I think all PROforma drivers actually try to compress a bit, if only by cutting of the whitespace at the end of the line). Kind regards, Joachim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org.uk/; target='Uhttp://www.quanta.org.uk//a for details)BR Correction: - where it says target='U - change it to saytarget=U Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double . Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Fun stuff :) Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Thanks! jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] SMSQE SITE
James Hunkins schrieb: Hi Wolfgang, Are these part of one of the SMSQ/E directories or separate files? I did not see them standing out when I looked a few minutes ago. not seperate files you have to scroll down and use the additional information and data link wolfgang (another one ..) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] QL on the Internet (5.4.3.....)
Tarquin Mills wrote: Duncan Neithercut wrote: So reinvigorating Quanta - Some other ideas : Internet access on QL systems : It is possible using a UNIX shell account software that already exists according to an article on the DJ emulators CD : - The QUANTA committee could identify a provider bundle access to this sort of account plus software with membership. I was thinking of running such a services for ACCUS members, I could run it for Quanta to. If five QLers think this is a good idea, I will called NTL tomorrow to have a second telephone line put in, for a 6 month trial. If you have a free national calls service (such as Onetels) it would cost nothing. -- It's the final countdown ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Cheers, jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:23 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 14:09:20, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 04:30 21/11/2004 +, you wrote: Tony wrote The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. A forlorn hope I am sure. But I see no need for Qanta to be involved, the results of a survey (if any) would be of general interest to many and surely particularly so for traders. Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. My, you must have had a night of it, I find myself living upside down times these nights. I had just got back from rescuing a worldnews machine. The Linux machines rumble on almost without attention. This is a W2003 machine. Windows locked up on closing. When we did a power cycle, we found that W2003 had successfully managed to destroy the boot sector on both raid mirror disks! Brilliant achievement Bill (8-)# We have so many troubles with windows that we will move this machine to linux and run a Windows emulator under Linux. Ridiculous isn't it. On the way back, I got out of the car to buy petrol, but somehow the door did not unlock. I had to break a window to get back in. Fortunately I have at least 4 spare rear doors at the bottom of the garden! I turned -off- my phone to avoid the 08:30 church alarm. The ry thing turned itself on again to sound the alarm (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 12:27:49, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Not just rear doors (8-)# Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:24:37, Bruce N wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello All, I would just like to stipulate this is NOT a Quanta List. The welcome instructions setup a long, long time ago. :- Welcome --- Welcome to the QL/SMS mailing list! This list is for any discussion related to QL/SMS be it news, help, queries, for sale etc. Off topic discussions (not related to QL/SMS) are not appreciated. Being a member of this list is a privilege and you may lose that privilege if you abuse your subscription. I maintain the list. Bruce (Quo Vadis Design) [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ... especially as I think only two of the committee subscribe. John Mason's message did not arrive as he has not subscribed. I have never thought of it as a QUANTA FORUM I am glad it didn't as John's personal comment about me (which was wrong in fact) was remove - thanks Geoff. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Gardens
OK, so it is a good thing that I did not make a wise crack about how we plant edible things in our gardens here in the states :) jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 12:27:49, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Not just rear doors (8-)# Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Now that is what I call service. The reason I was wondering about the memory size has to do with users who have a modified QL with hard drive or Rom disk who might want to run QDT. While relatively compact, once you start putting alternate backgrounds (screen sizes/themes) and tons of icons, it may have a performance impact (or might not). Also might make a difference if this ghostscript printer conversation goes somewhere. I saw everything but the size of the hard drive in the update. And it works just fine now in Safari - Thanks! Cheers, jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 10:39:54, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Tony, Guess what, Safari was interpreting your page perfectly and Firefox was being a bit generous. It turns out it is an easy fix (and very easy not too see). Here is what I found. Original code: Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org.uk/; target='Uhttp://www.quanta.org.uk//a for details)BR Correction: - where it says target='U - change it to say target=U Note that the original page uses a single ' and a double . Safari sees the single ' and then looks for a matching single '. You have it correct elsewhere. Whoops - full marks to Safari. There were many more like that which I spotted earlier (under firefox). Fun stuff :) Indeed. MSIE is very bad at 'intelligently' wrong html, much like QDOS and bad basic. Firefox is better, but not a sgood as Safari. Could you also ask the following type of questions: Hard Disk - what size Rom Disk - what size SMSQ/E - what rev Memory - what size Done (except memory - expansion type gets near enough!) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 19:08:53, john mason wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Dear Bruce, Further to our telephone conversation this afternoon re above I am as intrigued as you are as to why the email I forward below has not appeared in ql-users Inbox. I have not received any unable to deliver message Surely it was because you were not subscribed? You are now, so I guess Bruce added you. Welcome. Thank you for clarifying the impression I had got from the Quanta website that ql-users is Quanta property. I note that you have updated Quanta website to clarify the situation - I would be more than happy for the site to offer a link to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like prospective ql-users to be able to do so ie this group is -not- a QUANTA FORUM Surely a quoted address [EMAIL PROTECTED] is worng? Secondly the end of the bottom line of item 7 in my ascertainable facts section I originally said I do hope, that he enjoyed it!. From a private email Tony F sent me he appears to have taken it to be sarcasm. It was not intended to be so! So I have amended it slightly in attempt to reduce pain to -I do hope, and I do mean sincerely hope that he enjoyed it - nothing anything more Accepted, but I do not understand why you needed to mention me at all. Before the Italian meeting we worked on the assumption that the Quanta AGM was provisional. I unfortunately (for family reasons) could not do both shows. My week with friends in Larchmont was effectively cheap -hotel- so I could do Worldnews.com work in NY, and that, of course, needed to link to the USA show. I did not arrange it to create a clash with the Quanta AGM. As to HTML - my draft was done in WORD, copied, and pasted in Always disastrous. You need to copy to a text editor, and then into an email. Mind you is your mailer configured to send plain text? It might have done the html conversion. The user group needs to always be plain text. - Original Message - From: john mason To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Mason ; Geoff Wicks ; John Gregory ; Roy Brereton ; John Gilpin ; John Southern ; Tony Firshman Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH From: Chairman QUANTA To: ALL Subscribers QUANTA FORUM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copy to: Geoff Wicks, Tony Firshman, QUANTA Committee DTO: 201104:2030Z ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH snip 7. Tony Firshman, himself, reveals what actually happened in QL-Today Vol 9, Issue 2, dated July/August 2004 where reporting on the QL show - Orlando, Florida, USA. May 04 - he says - I flew to New York a week before the show with bicycle to stay with friends in Larchmont, NY. It would appear, therefore, that his perceived conflict was due to his own choice of holiday dates and not anything else - I do hope, I do sincerely mean hope that he enjoyed it - not anything more snip -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 13:25:24, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Now that is what I call service. The reason I was wondering about the memory size has to do with users who have a modified QL with hard drive or Rom disk who might want to run QDT. While relatively compact, once you start putting alternate backgrounds (screen sizes/themes) and tons of icons, it may have a performance impact (or might not). Also might make a difference if this ghostscript printer conversation goes somewhere. I saw everything but the size of the hard drive in the update. Done And it works just fine now in Safari - Thanks! Done Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 13:19:50, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) OK, so it is a good thing that I did not make a wise crack about how we plant edible things in our gardens here in the states :) (8-)# I have been known to do that in my garden, on a good day. jim On Nov 21, 2004, at 1:09 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 12:27:49, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Either this email is intended to make us all feel really good about how our day is going or to show that you always have backup plans (won't even ask about the spare rear doors :) ). Not just rear doors (8-)# Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re[2]: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
Thanks Bruce, I am glad to hear it, I get really incensed with people the Quanta Chairman, he should drop off his chair onto his sword, please. Regards Mike MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bruce N [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: Re[2]: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH Hello All, I would just like to stipulate this is NOT a Quanta List. The welcome instructions setup a long, long time ago. :- Welcome --- Welcome to the QL/SMS mailing list! This list is for any discussion related to QL/SMS be it news, help, queries, for sale etc. Off topic discussions (not related to QL/SMS) are not appreciated. Being a member of this list is a privilege and you may lose that privilege if you abuse your subscription. I maintain the list. Bruce (Quo Vadis Design) [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Sunday, November 21, 2004, 2:11:23 PM, you wrote: WL On 21 Nov 2004 at 13:46, gwicks wrote: I have decided to forward this message as I think all Quanta members should read it. (...) WL I have up to now pretty much kept out of the Quanta debate itself, more out WL of boredom than anything else. Two questions only as to this messahe: (...)The QUANTA email Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] site (...) WL What? This here is a Quanta list? WL (...) but as and from the Sent date and time of this email any further attempts to extend the recent non-constructive line will be regarded as being an abuse, and not tolerated. WL Oh yeah? And just what does this gentleman propose to stop people WL talking/emailing? WL As for the rest of that message : grow up - please! WL Wolfgang WL WL www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com WL ___ WL QL-Users Mailing List WL http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
I agree, in a democracy there is only one healthy response when the humble servant of the membership who has been honoured with the post of chairman of a hobby club tells people what to think and say and that is to think: resign Mr Chairman resign now and vote against him at the next election. BTW leaving aside who owns this list which has been clarified by Bruce Nicholls there are troubling elements in Mr Masons email : 1) The precise timing of the emails referred to and in particular the 4 minute response to the original email that upset Mr Mason - the nearest I have in timing in my archive (deleted folder) is one thanking the sender of the first for his work in setting up the meeting and indicating that he is looking forward to it. Whats upsetting about that? 2) The almost defamatory email of saturday 12th November : Which saturday the 12th November was that email sent. We haven't had a saturday 12th November this year. The size of the outburst along with the use of precise detail which is inaccurate, language and capitalisation can be taken to indicate a colossal stress level in the sender so perhaps a change of chairman should be contemplated for the good of Mr Masons health? Best wishes Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Taffel Sent: 21 November 2004 18:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH What an extraordinary outburst!! I'd be intrigued to know what the censored 4 paras said! This looks like an attempt to intimidate us all into silence by pretending that this is a Quanta list. Does he think we are totally stupid? Thank's Geoff for posting this and letting us see how unfit Mr Mason is chair Quanta. Perhaps we should all rejoin Quanta forthwith, just so that we can take the satisfaction in voting him out of office N.B. I left many years ago in protest in their misuse of members funds (honoraria). In my opinion, they are still mis-using the funds ; i.e. not using them. What is the point in a non-profit making organisation in making year upon year profits, and hoarding the cash whilst membership dwindles and the product slowly dies? anyone else up for a coup? Jeremy gwicks wrote: I have decided to forward this message as I think all Quanta members should read it. Derogatory comments about a third person have been removed. - Original Message - From: john mason To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: John Mason ; Geoff Wicks ; John Gregory ; Roy Brereton ; John Gilpin ; John Southern ; Tony Firshman Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH From: Chairman QUANTA To: ALL Subscribers QUANTA FORUM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copy to: Geoff Wicks, Tony Firshman, QUANTA Committee DTO: 201104:2030Z ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH Some seven years ago Quanta Committee decided that it would be good for QL'ers to have their own Internet based Forum. Robin Barker, then Chairman, very kindly undertook the task of setting this up. At the same time he rationalised email contact with Committee Members by providing a system of email addresses which automatically forward to Committee Members no matter how many times they themselves change or how many times their personal email addresses do so as well. There were problems with the first chosen ISP, and another was found. The QUANTA email Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] site has more than proved its value to Quanta members as a place to present news, exchange ideas, solve problems, and perhaps most importantly debate issues of interest to the QL fraternity. Most topics are constructively discussed but not surprisingly occasionally debate gets quite heated. Fortunately, up to now, Quanta Committee have not had to intervene since the Forum has proved to be self regulating, and itself dealt quickly with any offender. That, unfortunately, cannot be said to be the position since mid October last. An email was posted on the board in which a subscriber alleged that Quanta is out of touch with the QL community, boasted that I had hijacked the QL2004 idea, said I don't regret doing it because we are going to have a bloody good time on Sunday , continued it would not have happened if we had left it to Quanta. Carried away by his own verbosity he carries on for some time making yet more allegations. Eventually saying Another thought I am having is what is the point of Quanta making another £1,000 profit if it never spends its money on anything and finally remarks Having written that I should remind everyone that I am a member of the Quanta committee and I accept a degree of responsibility, Within four minutes of this email being sent a second subscriber responded - adding to not, unfortunately, rebuking the first. Seemingly mistaking Quanta Committee's Freedom of Speech tolerance policy for something else the dialogue continued with the same slant, and
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- No he doesn't... they just grow in his land :-P (And they are all in New England Fall colours as well (red, green, rust-yellowish etc... :-) Phoebus -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
OK, now I'm confused. What IS the history of this list? The reason I ask, is that going back through my inbox I found that that a couple of years ago, the address for the list was [EMAIL PROTECTED], and that the welcome email suggests that Bruce's email address was [EMAIL PROTECTED] So was the list originally owned by Quanta, and run for them by Bruce, or did Quanta just provide the domain names for the email? Jeremy On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:24:37, Bruce N wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello All, I would just like to stipulate this is NOT a Quanta List. The welcome instructions setup a long, long time ago. :- Welcome --- Welcome to the QL/SMS mailing list! This list is for any discussion related to QL/SMS be it news, help, queries, for sale etc. Off topic discussions (not related to QL/SMS) are not appreciated. Being a member of this list is a privilege and you may lose that privilege if you abuse your subscription. I maintain the list. Bruce (Quo Vadis Design) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 00:23:42, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) comments to present survey version:- Section 2, I suggest that use for faxing might be in a section on how electronic communication is achieved - QL modem or other means. Also what other computer system might be in use - PC, MAC or UNIX/LINUX ?? Section 3, Other addon cards, E-Progger - A/D card , any others ? Other motherboards ? Section 4, If it is to get a broader circulation - Are you still a mamber, and when did you cease to be ? General - I rarely use a full screen window, plays some havoc with checkbox separating from title. Yes, but I have kept the general width very small. I use a window on my screen, and it doesn't break awkwardly and it is only filling about 1/3 of the screen width on a 1680 wide screen. That is less than 600, and should suit all screens. ... and of course you can always adjust text size. Perhaps Text boxes with the Others I think I will have to draw the line now without your first three good suggestions. Quanta have said they will use the form, and I have to get the core programming done quickly. Once that is done, I may add more. Thanks for all your comments. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: 1680 wide screen. Must be a wet dream for many ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
