Re: [ql-users] The way forward?
On 22 Nov 2004 at 15:59, Dave P wrote: > Personally, I think Quanta is irrelevant. (...) and , later on: > For me, the misfortune of Nasta's work is that the resources aren't there > to do something TRULY revolutionary. (...)The only organization with the > funds is a > private organization that is only allowed to benefit its members - Quanta. So Quanta isn't irrelevant? Didn't they extend a loan to D&D systems to get the Q60 built (further?). (...) > I don't blame the Quanta committee for not doing anything. (...) > In my company, the solution for this is to decide on three or four clear > courses of action. Allocate each member with ten points, and allow them to > allocate the points in any proportion to the proposed paths. At the end of > this exercise you have a clear understanding of which projects have the > most and least support. Isn't the fact that Quanta isn't doing this exactly what they are blamed for? (...later email...) > The real problem for Nasta is such a simple one. He has a complete design > ready to go - he just needs the time and resources to follow it through. > Some of us have sourced and are holding components for his projects but > without a couple of months away from yucky jobs, and the resources to get > everything made to a suitable standard, it won't happen. I disagree in parts. One of Nasta's "problems" is that he seems to be a hardware man only (sorry to discuss you as if you weren't there, Nasta). Let me hasten to add that I have met him only once briefly at QL 2004 and found him extremeny likable. Nasta gave a very interesting (and witty) talk about two projects, one of which could be seen as being not that far from completion, and he seems to be driving it forward technically very nicely. What, IMHO, Nasta doesn't seem to realise is that it is also up to him to drive the project forward financially - no one else is going to do that for him. Why doesn't he say (for example here on this list) "I need so much money and if I have that, I'll build (whatever - a prototype, a working version ..) within so many months". There have alreay been people on this list who have stated that they would support new projects financially... > For me, the misfortune of Nasta's work is that the resources aren't there > to do something TRULY revolutionary. I have these quaint ideas of miniATX > motherboards using standard everything and a pair of 68060s - all this is > possible if it's funded. To what tune? > Maybe [Quanta] misinterpret the rules and think that "benefit" means "do > business with" - they can do business with any QLer... But they do have to make sure that the projects they finance are financially sound and of benefit to many of their members (and NOT the QL community in general. If we want Quanta to be of benefit to the QL community in general, we must all become members). What if many of the Quanta members are still sticking to their original QLs and don't plan to upgrade? Shoudl Quanta really finance something they don't want? This reminds me of a problem we had in "QLCF", the (now defunct) french QL users club. We, too, had a bit of money on the side. During an AGM it was proposed that we use some of this money to fund development of SMSQ/E for the QXL. IIRC this wasn't even voted on because the consenus of those who were present was that this was something worthwhile to put our money in. So a (modest) amount was given to TT towards that development - in return, we were allowed to distribute that version aongst our members - not all of whom (far from it) even had a QXL. Some bought one because of it, though. But we already had done something like that earlier - for example, we had bought a licence for QPAC II for all of our mermbers (and I think QD, too). QLCF was responsible for translating & duplicating the manuals etc, copying the disks and distributing them, a work which was undertaken for free by a member. At the time, I felt that this was a good way to act for us, because 1 - Our members got good software 2 - Traders and authors got money 3 - Secretly I hoped this would be a beneficial spiral, since some members would buy new hardware to run the new software on, tus financing the QL world even further. The problem is that you can't really do that with hardware, which, for each item sold has a definite cost so that even if some members work for free as a dedication to the QL scene, each piece of hardware still has a definite cost... Wolfgang -- W. H. Lenerz www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com -- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Seems to work for me - nice job. jim On Nov 22, 2004, at 6:09 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: There are a few minor issues concerning error reporting of linked items. However I can see nothing wrong in the POST data on a completed form, so I will code the email sending tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow morning I will get some feedback before I finish the code later today. Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the mid 90s (8-)# Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Roy wood wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Dave Park wrote: > >The availability of new, performance hardware at a reasonable price. > > A vital point and one that I have urged Nasta towards. The real problem for Nasta is such a simple one. He has a complete design ready to go - he just needs the time and resources to follow it through. Some of us have sourced and are holding components for his projects but without a couple of months away from yucky jobs, and the resources to get everything made to a suitable standard, it won't happen. For me, the misfortune of Nasta's work is that the resources aren't there to do something TRULY revolutionary. I have these quaint ideas of miniATX motherboards using standard everything and a pair of 68060s - all this is possible if it's funded. The only organization with the funds is a private organization that is only allowed to benefit its members - Quanta. Maybe they misinterpret the rules and think that "benefit" means "do business with" - they can do business with any QLer... Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Την Tue, 23 Nov 2004 02:15:50 +,ο(η) Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Well if you have written it, it won't break (if it's working of course ;-) hint, hint Wrong types in some cgi scripts :-) ) Your code is excellent as always ;-) Can't say the same about the page's readability though... TIMES New Roman? Hehe It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! ...And 30 pints of beer :-) (Oh and some Provolon(e) cheese ;-) ) Didn't expect anything less from you though :-) You either write it or don't :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
Tony Firshman wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony Well here it is :-) Didn't break although I overloaded it :-) It even dealt correctly with Greek characters... A couple of comments... 1. The layout is confusing... better choose a more suitable font for it (Verdana 9 comes to mind ) - Sans Serif is better for easier reading of dense questionnaires. 2. It dealt with a faulty email address at variable "email" but did not check validity (rudimentary at least) on variable "oldemail" 3. A little more validity checking to avoid messed up results is needed (ie when you ask for if you have "A" mouse you can select everything. If you want to check every type of mouse a user could have you should ask... do you use "MICE"? 4. There's a syntax error in "software_devlist"'s question... it should be "interest in doing software development" instead of "interested doing in software development" (I'll do you in is a very Pennsylvanian American English expression :-) -Results Congratulations. You got it all right, but the form goes nowhere yet. Thanks for testing Received POST data: first=&firstname=test&lastname=test&email=test%40test.com&oldemail=test%40test1&telno=%2B1234567890&year=1985&main_system=Q40&qluse=hobby&qluse=games&qluse=personal_correspondence&qluse=writing&qluse=business&qluse=programming&qluse=data&qluse=control&qluse=faxing&qluse=other&qluse_comment=test+test&emulator=yes&emulator_type=UQLX&emulator_type=QXL&emulator_type=Qemulator&emulator_type=Atari&emulator_type=other&expansion=yes&expansion_type=SuperGoldCard&expansion_type=GoldCard&expansion_type=TrumpCard&expansion_type=Medic&expansion_type=superQboard&expansion_type=expanderam&expansion_type=cumana&expansion_type=technology_research&expansion_type=Qdisk&expansion_type=Qjump&expansion_type=Sandy&expansion_type=French&expansion_type=other&cased_QL=yes&backplane=mplane&backplane=qplane&backplane=other&derivative=yes&derivative_type=Thor&derivative_type=Q40&derivative_type=Q60&derivative_type=CST&derivative_type=other&aurora=yes&i2c=yes&i2c_type=analogue&i2c_type=parallel&i2c_type=power&i2c_type=temp_sensor&romdisq=yes&romdisq_size=2mb&romdisq_size=4mb&romdisq_size=8mb&hermes=yes&superhermes=yes&keyboard=yes&keyboard_type=Di-ren&keyboard_type=Falkenburg&keyboard_type=Schoen&keyboard_type=keyboard-products&keyboard_type=other&other_keyboard=Test&mouse=yes&mouse_type=qimi&mouse_type=sermouse&mouse_type=superHermes&mouse_type=hardware&mouse_type=other&printer=yes&printer_name=testtest&floppy=yes&harddisk=yes&harddisk_size=1&harddisk_type=qubide&harddisk_type=Miracle&harddisk_type=CST&harddisk_type=Falkenburg&harddisk_type=other&other_harddisk=Der&programs=yes&helpline=yes&topics=Blah+test&mailing=yes&quantasite=yes&write_articles=yes&workshops=yes&bestworkshop=Test&whynot=Test&happy_with_newsletter=yes&how_improved=Test&help_Quanta=Test&question=Test&operating_system=QDOS&QDOS_version=JSU&operating_system=Minerva&Minerva_version=3.00+%26%23946%3B&operating_system=SMSQE&SMSQE_version=3.07%2C+3.03+Aurora&operating_system=other&other_version=Blah%21&office_suite=yes&arcplus=yes&wordprocessor=yes&wordprocessor_type=Quill&wordprocessor_type=Perfection&wordprocessor_type=Text87&wordprocessor_type=The_Editor&wordprocessor_type=Paragraph&wordprocessor_type=other&spreadsheet=yes&spreadsheet_type=Abacus&spreadsheet_type=Qspread&games=yes&other_programs=Blah+Test&software_list=Blah&hardware_list=Sattelite+controller%2C+Shed+door+remote+opener+%28Tony+has+already+one+%3B-%29&software_development=yes&software_devlist=+++Interest+doing%3F+Is+that+acceptable+syntax%3F&hardware_development=yes&hardware_devlist=++Ahhh+so+that%27s+what+you+meant...&comments=Man+I+am+pretty+%3A-%29+Phoebus+%28This+is+test+submission+to+break+Tony%27s+code+%3B-%29+heeheee&last= ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
Την Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:22:34 +,ο(η) Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: I think we were both asleep (me and you I hasten to add) so we only have Phoebus' word for it. 110 mph wasn't it? Almost... the needle was playing between 105 and 107 (And the rattling of the car put you to sleep nicely ;-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta web form
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 at 02:09:03, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Do try and break >http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi > >It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! The underlying code I mean. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Quanta web form
There are a few minor issues concerning error reporting of linked items. However I can see nothing wrong in the POST data on a completed form, so I will code the email sending tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow morning I will get some feedback before I finish the code later today. Do try and break http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi It is already 40k, and some 1200 lines! BTW thanks to Lau for the background. I nicked it from his site in the mid 90s (8-)# Does anyone know the name of the French made floppy disk interface? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 10:57:16, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >> And yes Tony and Phoebus >> the black Saab is still going strong although I have not be able to >>duplicate >> the speed Phoebus coaxed out of it on I95. >> >That's because of three reasons: >1. You don't have the wind on your back ;-) >2. You don't have Tony in the car (Whose presence is enough to fix any >car - have you though of putting a picture of his on the dashboard? You mean alongside the sticker saying "Intel inside"? Yes - I did have fun re-wiring didn't I. I made the 'mistake' of turning the cabin air circulating fan on. Bill had never done that, and there must have been a short in the motor. Bill's camper stopped dead on the freeway with everything electrical dead, and it was dark! It turned out the main 12V supply wire to the ignition switch had melted, and taken out an inline connector. >:-) >3. Your speed is NOT monitored by aircraft (Haven't figured out that >myself yet ;- Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 09:57:29, Bill Cable wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >> >>> Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- >> > >> >> No he doesn't... they just grow in his land :-P (And they are all in New >> England Fall colours as well (red, green, rust-yellowish etc... :-) >> > >Sorry to say I have had to pass a few on to other tinkerers. Better to recycle >as much as possible I say. Not all Americans drive big new SUVs or even think >that makes any sense. But I still have a pretty good collection of VW Rabbit >diesels. And they do blend in quite nicely with the fall colors and when snow >comes you don't even know they are there. But contrary to rumors they do not >multiply when left to their own devices in the woods. And yes Tony and Phoebus >the black Saab is still going strong although I have not be able to duplicate >the speed Phoebus coaxed out of it on I95. (8-)# I think we were both asleep (me and you I hasten to add) so we only have Phoebus' word for it. 110 mph wasn't it? Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 19:37:07, gwicks wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >- Original Message - From: >Subject: Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH > > >> Despite what got said in and about this letter, I don't consider it >>offensive in the form which was forwarded. There are issues of >>'netiquette' (shouting etc) which someone fairly new to the list might >>not be expected to be aware of. >> > >As one of the persons "named" in the letter (or rather not named, but >everyone knew whom John meant) I agree fully with the above sentiment. >We have slagged Quanta off and thus they have a right to reply. Equally >John must accept there will be robust reactions. > >I do take exception to the section on Tony that John still included in >his version especially after his preaching to me about the legal >implications for Quanta in making personal comments. I did too. However John has emailed me since in soothful tones, and I have calmed down (8-)# I am very near a working form now. http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi (Yes John M & S, you did not need to add the www.) I -think- the error checking is pretty complete. There -will- be problems so I would be grateful if people could try and break it. The underlying code was much more complex than I had imagined. I was up until 4am, and have spent most of today on it! I had forgotten that not only did I have to maintain variables for the items and error line, but also CHECKED and SELECTED for all the SELECT and CHECKBOX items. It didn't help that I still haven't worked out how to use indirection in perl (hard and symbolic references). I did all variables using HASH arrays, which works fine. The submit, if the form is parsed OK, will go nowhere right now. I will email John S and also save the results locally, and sometime write a program to add to an archive database. It will interesting to try it using JH's perl for QL, when we get a QL webserver (8-)# > >As far as etiquette was concerned, after I received John's email >personally, I wrote a friendly email to him explaining several points >of the etiquette, and pointing out that he was not to know these on his >first posting to the group. He did not reply, but from comments >elsewhere I think he appreciated this and accepted it in the spirit >that it was sent, Is he subscribed now? If so, that is one excellent result. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes The heart of the problem is that the userbase is not attracting new members, and is losing older and experienced members by attrition (some of us were old when the QL was released) and by need for more applicable platforms in daily use. You have to have something to attract them with and that is where the problem lies. We have fun playing with it but that is not enough to attract a new user. The availability of new, performance hardware at a reasonable price. A vital point and one that I have urged Nasta towards. The huge variety and assortment of toolkits and add-ons required to do even simple things - such features belong in the OS package (not necessarily integrated into the OS, but standard kits included in the package) so everyone has a "compatible" and "predictable" system. This was the whole of my reasoning in the licence argument. I would like to see more of these items added to SMSQ/E to make it more coherent. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 19:15:47, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. Seriously, please remind me on Saturday. I have been carrying the d*d thing to shows for months, but sods law will say I forget this time. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 11:49:39, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) TF> 1640 x 1050 screen >Even better than that with my 1920 x 1200 :) Sounds like boasting in the showers (8-)# ... but this is on my laptop. Nasta made a lovely comment once. I said he ought to keep his emails to one page. He said it was on his similar sized screen to yours (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
Dexter P wrote: > i. The availability of new, performance hardware at a reasonable price. > > ii. The connectivity issue. > > iii. The huge variety and assortment of toolkits and add-ons required > to do even simple things - such features belong in the OS package > (not necessarily integrated into the OS, but standard kits > included in the package) so everyone has a "compatible" and > "predictable" system. > > The first and third have been my biggest obstacles to getting back into > the QL scene over the last 3 years or so. The third has a newish users has caused me problems to (as has the first), what you seem to be saying is that we need a SMSQ/E distro perhaps called the Ginger Ninja Distribution. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] QL on the Internet (5.4.3.....)
Duncan Neithercut wrote: > Hi Tarquin, > Have you got 5 volunteers? I would be interested not because > need access to the www via QL but to find out if it is posssible > and workable. No yet. -- Tarquin Mills 1. Thorn EMI made the QL 2. Thor International sold Th0rs XVIs 3. Tho TBA ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, gwicks wrote: > As one of the persons "named" in the letter (or rather not named, but > everyone knew whom John meant) I agree fully with the above sentiment. We > have slagged Quanta off and thus they have a right to reply. Equally John > must accept there will be robust reactions. Well, yes... I haven't said anything... Personally, I think Quanta is irrelevant. All that matters is what people do, and what developments become available to the community. People like the Grafs actually make real products and move things forward. People like Nasta, who have the capacity to make GREAT products get virtually no REAL support. Yes, it costs money, lots of money. The heart of the problem is that the userbase is not attracting new members, and is losing older and experienced members by attrition (some of us were old when the QL was released) and by need for more applicable platforms in daily use. I don't blame the Quanta committee for not doing anything. They take input from so many people with so many opinions, and all have their own different needs. No single course of action has majority support. Every decision is high risk for them. In my company, the solution for this is to decide on three or four clear courses of action. Allocate each member with ten points, and allow them to allocate the points in any proportion to the proposed paths. At the end of this exercise you have a clear understanding of which projects have the most and least support. However, this makes the wildly dangerous assumption that the users know what is best for the platform. My own personal opinion about futures of platforms isn't based on their strengths, but their weaknesses. As such, I don't feel the urge to create fixes for problems that don't really exist any more. However, I do feel there are two or three key areas that are costing the community dearly. The availability of new, performance hardware at a reasonable price. The connectivity issue. The huge variety and assortment of toolkits and add-ons required to do even simple things - such features belong in the OS package (not necessarily integrated into the OS, but standard kits included in the package) so everyone has a "compatible" and "predictable" system. The first and third have been my biggest obstacles to getting back into the QL scene over the last 3 years or so. So, essentially, throwing muck at Quanta is part of the problem. It's an information and opinion overload that prevents any concensus. half the people are for something. Half the people are against something. There's lots of overlap. Paralysis! So, really, the way forward (and I advise the Quanta committee from a very humble position) is to identify 4 or 5 projects that are within Quanta's technical and financial scope, and offer the membership a cost for each, and let them decide within the available resources which one(s) to pursue. Once the decision is made, Quanta should simply expend their effort in achieving those wishes using the resources as efficiently as possible. In My Very VERY Humble Opinion, Dave Park ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] What Have I missed?
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:19:16 -, John Gilpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I count nearly 250 emails. Do you really want them *all*? Regards, John Gilpin. Thanks - am now looking at the back catalogue on line.. -- -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH Despite what got said in and about this letter, I don't consider it offensive in the form which was forwarded. There are issues of 'netiquette' (shouting etc) which someone fairly new to the list might not be expected to be aware of. As one of the persons "named" in the letter (or rather not named, but everyone knew whom John meant) I agree fully with the above sentiment. We have slagged Quanta off and thus they have a right to reply. Equally John must accept there will be robust reactions. I do take exception to the section on Tony that John still included in his version especially after his preaching to me about the legal implications for Quanta in making personal comments. As far as etiquette was concerned, after I received John's email personally, I wrote a friendly email to him explaining several points of the etiquette, and pointing out that he was not to know these on his first posting to the group. He did not reply, but from comments elsewhere I think he appreciated this and accepted it in the spirit that it was sent, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] What Have I missed?
I count nearly 250 emails. Do you really want them *all*? Regards, John Gilpin. - Original Message - From: "Rich Mellor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [ql-users] What Have I missed? > PC has been playing up and I have missed all the emails on the list since > last Thursday - how can I get a copy of what I missed? > > Rich Mellor > > -- > Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] What Have I missed?
Rich Mellor schrieb: PC has been playing up and I have missed all the emails on the list since last Thursday - how can I get a copy of what I missed? Rich Mellor go to this link: http://www.mail-archive.com/ql-users-q-v-d.com%40lists.q-v-d.com/ wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] QL on the Internet (5.4.3.....)
Hi Tarquin, Have you got 5 volunteers? I would be interested not because need access to the www via QL but to find out if it is posssible and workable. Are you interested in the 2 articles that I referred to? If so I could send you them off list. The one of the two also refers to other articles in the defunct IQLR. Does anyone reading the list have copies that they could make available to me? Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tarquin Mills Sent: 21 November 2004 19:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] QL on the Internet (5.4.3.) Tarquin Mills wrote: > Duncan Neithercut wrote: > > So reinvigorating Quanta - > > Some other ideas : Internet access on QL systems : It is possible using a > > UNIX shell account & software that already exists according to an > > article on the DJ emulators > > CD : - The QUANTA committee could identify a provider & bundle access to > > this sort of account plus software with membership. > > I was thinking of running such a services for ACCUS members, I could run > it for Quanta to. If five QLers think this is a good idea, I will called NTL tomorrow to have a second telephone line put in, for a 6 month trial. If you have a free national calls service (such as Onetels) it would cost nothing. -- "It's the final countdown" ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
- Original Message - From: "john mason" To: "Bruce Nicholls" "ql- users" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH Dear John, May I welcome you to the users group? We often complain of the lack of Quanta interest in the group so your contribution was appreciated. Do not worry about the breaches of list etiquette. Most of us made mistakes in our first postings. Your posting invites some commentary: An email was posted on the board in which a subscriber.. boasted that "I had >hijacked the QL2004 idea" Indeed I did, John, but what is wrong with that? You tried to hijack this list by falsely claiming it was Quanta property and by telling a cock and bull story that it was founded by Quanta. The difference is that my hijack was successful, but yours failed Seemingly mistaking Quanta Committee's "Freedom of Speech" tolerance policy >for something else the dialogue continued with the same slant, and eventually, on >Saturday 12th November, an assertion was made naming a member and capable >of being interpreted as being defamatory. In so doing they have put both >themselves and QL Users and Tinkerers Association at risk. If they desire to do >so to themselves that is one thing; but to imperil Quanta is another. This is a serious allegation and there is a whisper going around the group that you are referring to me. In fact I did not send any email to the group on 12th November. Could you be more explicit in your information so this slur on my reputation can be removed? 2. It is true that Geoffrey Wicks did attend the meeting of Quanta >Committee held at Hove on Sunday 23rd May 2004. Further he did participate >freely in the matters then considered, and moreover agreed that Roy Brereton >should continue to be responsible for the Quanta International Workshop to mark >the 21st Anniversary of both the QL and of QUANTA . The workshop to be >held in the Portsmouth area, and at a time which would permit the inclusion of the >Annual General Meeting for 2005. John, if this is true and that plans for the 2005 AGM were so certain, why was the accommodation still not booked over 6 months later? It is this sort of laxity that leads me to accuse Quanta of being inefficient and unreliable. Why then are you so afraid of me saying this in this group? 3. It is true that neither at the Hove Committee Meeting nor since has >he made any attempt to approach either Roy Brereton or myself, as common >courtesy expects, with an offer to assist in any way with the "QL is 21" proposed >Quanta International Workshop. Of course I made no offer at the Hove committee meeting. I first had to prove my ability to run an international show, which I did at QL2004. I first offered to organise the publicity and programme at QL2005 on 19th October 2004 just 6 weeks ago. One of the reasons that QL2004 was successful was that I could trust the local organisers, Sin_QL_Air in general, and Sjef van de Molengraaf in particular, implicity to carry out their task. I have considerable doubts about getting the same co-operation from Quanta in general, and Roy Brereton in particular, giving the latter's failure to book accommodation over a period of six months. No proposal yet made by Quanta complies with my minimum requirements for running QL2005 that I have set out on numerous occasions. When you have booked a hall at least 6 months (and preferably longer) before the date of the show you may open discussions with me about my assistance with the publicity and programme. Quanta Committee has and will, as always, continue to welcome constructive >contributions on the topic of a "Quanta International Workshop in 2005"; but as >and from the "Sent date and time" of this email any further attempts to extend the >recent non-constructive line will be regarded as being an abuse, and not tolerated. A little bit of advice, John. The tone of your email gives me the impression you want me to attend the next committee meeting in jackboots and a black shirt. There is a word in the English dictionary called "negotiation". Try using it sometime and you may find you will be more respected, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] What Have I missed?
PC has been playing up and I have missed all the emails on the list since last Thursday - how can I get a copy of what I missed? Rich Mellor -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership survey
Even better than that with my 1920 x 1200 :) On Nov 21, 2004, at 8:08 PM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 at 01:50:03, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) At 01:14 22/11/2004 +, you wrote: 1680 wide screen. Must be a wet dream for many and it is often on my lap (8-)# 1680 x 1050 is a fabulous size. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 at 15:48:49, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) The London Group have a couple of repair jobs for you at the Byfleet meeting next week :-) Noted. I have a rehearsal in Berkhamsted at 16:30 so I will be leaving a bit before 15:30. Ken Brickwood - can you please remind me to bring your minisQL nearer the day. I will charge only a standard QL repair cost. The CF reader fitted in very well and it was all working when I did it (months ago!). Better if I remind you to remind yourself to bring the minisQL to Byfleet, as he did mention it at the last London Group meeting. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter
But QL software doesn't write Postscript output now. I am saying to come up with something easier as intermediate powerful language, which will be easier for QL software to use. This is now difficult, basically define an ASCII equivalent for the PROforma commands. This will then give a system which to my opinion is more QL minded, available to more QL users (I know PROforma requires a lot of memory etc, but it is still a lot better than Ghostscript (or at least last time I looked). PROforma is already in use on some people's system, so minimal extra memory would be required. In PROforma you can choose which printers to have (in Ghostscript there are compiled in the program - thus making it either a limited set (less memory), or the system even bigger (large set), or forcing people to recompile themselves (candidates) The three layer system discussed between Wolfgang, Rich and Myself seems to be a very viable way to handle things. All that is needed now is a group of volunteers who can cooperate to make this a reality. Only then will we have made progress. = For some reason, Lookout Excess won't 'quote' Joachim's email above. What Joachim says makes good sense and I hope something will come of it. Glas this discussion got into so much detail, at least all possible ideas seem to have been thrown around! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Doctor Who and the Trogs :-)
David Tubbs wrote: > Quite understandable, there seem to be many more knockers than > constructivists here. All my inputs here have generated are facile denials > of my assertion that no one is without access to the www. If your > troglodyte BC chooses not to avail himself then that his choice. Tony could put a question on the questionnaire to see if there are any people wanting a QL ISP, asking NTL for info for setting up a Q60 is not fun, while Sonow does not support CHAP. Arnie is considering using such a service, which maybe of use to other platforms. As for new hardware, it might be possible to piggy back a 68030 and 68882 on a SGC, Th0r 21 style. -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QXL RAM
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Phoebus Dokos wrote: > My question is regarding an overclocked QXL. Mine is currently at 33MHz > but my 68040 is for 40 (therefore an 80 MHz crystal could be installed) > but I do not know if the ram could take that! 70ns FPM memory will support 50 or 60MHz bus speeds with ease. If it's only running at 40MHz I would anticipate a large reduction in heat output and current drawn. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QXL RAM
Την Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:00:41 -0600 (CST),ο(η) Dave P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Nahh I just found dirt cheap brand new ones that are 70ns unfortunately ;-) How is 70ns a problem? That is well in excess of timing requirements for a QXL, isn't it? Dave My question is regarding an overclocked QXL. Mine is currently at 33MHz but my 68040 is for 40 (therefore an 80 MHz crystal could be installed) but I do not know if the ram could take that! Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QXL RAM
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, Phoebus Dokos wrote: > Nahh I just found dirt cheap brand new ones that are 70ns unfortunately ;-) How is 70ns a problem? That is well in excess of timing requirements for a QXL, isn't it? Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QXL RAM
Την Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:40:08 +,ο(η) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: Don't know the answer, but looks like Phoebus's daughter has been at work again! Dilwyn Jones Nahh I just found dirt cheap brand new ones that are 70ns unfortunately ;-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
Την Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:57:29 -0500 (EST),ο(η) Bill Cable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: Sorry to say I have had to pass a few on to other tinkerers. Better to recycle as much as possible I say. Not all Americans drive big new SUVs or even think that makes any sense. Also not all Americans live in red states ;-) (Hehehe) But I still have a pretty good collection of VW Rabbit diesels. And they do blend in quite nicely with the fall colors and when snow comes you don't even know they are there. But contrary to rumors they do not multiply when left to their own devices in the woods. I could swear that was the case :-P And yes Tony and Phoebus the black Saab is still going strong although I have not be able to duplicate the speed Phoebus coaxed out of it on I95. That's because of three reasons: 1. You don't have the wind on your back ;-) 2. You don't have Tony in the car (Whose presence is enough to fix any car - have you though of putting a picture of his on the dashboard? :-) 3. Your speed is NOT monitored by aircraft (Haven't figured out that myself yet ;-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
Bruce Nicholls wrote: > >I would just like to stipulate this is NOT a Quanta List. > > > >The welcome instructions setup a long, long time ago. :- > > > >Welcome > > --- > > > >Welcome to the QL/SMS mailing list! > > > >This list is for any discussion related to QL/SMS be it news, help, > >queries, for sale etc. It's possible John Mason was thinking of an email list set up by Robin Barker some years ago (not sure if it was pre-data protection act). The purpose of this was to keep a record of who was on email and what their email addresses were. It wasn't a newsgroup or discussion list like this one, although IIRC the names were similar. It's already been said that John Mason is fairly new to this list, go easy on him guys! He is a long standing Quanta committee member, though. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
> On the way back, I got out of the car to buy petrol, but somehow the > door did not unlock. I had to break a window to get back in. > Fortunately I have at least 4 spare rear doors at the bottom of the > garden! Is that one rear door per garden shed, Tony? ;-) > I turned -off- my phone to avoid the 08:30 church alarm. > The ry thing turned itself on again to sound the alarm (8-)# He he, must have been running WinXX too! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QXL RAM
Don't know the answer, but looks like Phoebus's daughter has been at work again! Dilwyn Jones > > From: "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/11/21 Sun PM 04:11:57 GMT > To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ql-users] QXL RAM > > Hi all, > to bother the list once more with a rather simple question (which I hope > someone will answer) > > Does anyone know if 514400-70 will function properly with my QXL (Which is > clocked at 33MHz coincidentally)? > > Also does anyone know what's the correct placement of ZIP Rams to have the > QXL at 4 Megs instead of 8? > > Phoebus > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH
> I have decided to forward this message as I think all Quanta members should > read it. Derogatory comments about a third person have been removed. > > - Original Message - > From: john mason > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: John Mason ; Geoff Wicks ; John Gregory ; Roy Brereton ; John Gilpin ; > John Southern ; Tony Firshman > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:57 PM > Subject: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH > > > From: Chairman QUANTA > To: ALL Subscribers QUANTA FORUM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Copy to: Geoff Wicks, Tony Firshman, QUANTA Committee > DTO: 201104:2030Z > ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH > > Despite what got said in and about this letter, I don't consider it offensive in the form which was forwarded. There are issues of 'netiquette' (shouting etc) which someone fairly new to the list might not be expected to be aware of. A lot of strong things got said, and I suspect there was an underlying intention to provoke replies and action, as opposed to intentionally offending. While there have been some strong words exchanged, let's be positive - response has been forthcoming, there's strong feelings and strong feelings generally indicate a willingness and wish to get something done, so let's grab the bull by the horns and communicate with each other to lay the foundations for a strong period of QL furtherance by co-operation between the Quanta hierarchy and the most active of people on the QL scene. There's been enough ideas thrown around here recently, the list has been at its most active for ages, so let's hope it all leads to some really positive things (e.g. Wolfgang's Proforma printing thingie and any ideas submitted to Quanta for future projects etc) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Gardens
> >>> Mind you Bill Cable has spare -cars- > > > > No he doesn't... they just grow in his land :-P (And they are all in New > England Fall colours as well (red, green, rust-yellowish etc... :-) > Sorry to say I have had to pass a few on to other tinkerers. Better to recycle as much as possible I say. Not all Americans drive big new SUVs or even think that makes any sense. But I still have a pretty good collection of VW Rabbit diesels. And they do blend in quite nicely with the fall colors and when snow comes you don't even know they are there. But contrary to rumors they do not multiply when left to their own devices in the woods. And yes Tony and Phoebus the black Saab is still going strong although I have not be able to duplicate the speed Phoebus coaxed out of it on I95. -- Bill ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter
P Witte wrote: Joachim Van der Auwera writes: <> The basic concept is that PROforma renders everything into a buffer. The details about what such a buffer should look like is configured in the driver (and possibly handled with the help of a specific bitmap driver). The first "hardware" driver could perhaps be for the PE pic format - in memory or on disk. It would save a lot of trees during testing! <> Please remember, PROforma exists, has existed for almost ten years now (I think). There are bitmap drivers for all common (at that time) raster layouts for printers. I actually think (though I could be mistaken) that a pic driver also exists (bitmap driver definetely, but I think there was a pic printer driver as well). Joachim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
