Re: [ql-users] Old games
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On the basis of Roy's email concerning PE and Toolkit 2, I've made the latest versions I have to hand available on the Toolkits page on my website. If Tony Tebby (or anyone else connected with these) is unhappy about my understanding of Roy's email, please let me know and I'll remove them immediately. Equally, as the latest TK2 ROM image I have is v2.12 which seems a bit old to me, any more recent updates could quickly be made available via this page. The manual for Toolkit 2 is also there (same version as on the documentation website). No I think this is fine. It was my intention when I asked Tony if we could make them freely distributable. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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> > Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send you > > a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, > > although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. > > > > You can always use ALLOCATION from TTK (which can be later released with > DEALLOCATE) > > Ffibys On the basis of Roy's email concerning PE and Toolkit 2, I've made the latest versions I have to hand available on the Toolkits page on my website. If Tony Tebby (or anyone else connected with these) is unhappy about my understanding of Roy's email, please let me know and I'll remove them immediately. Equally, as the latest TK2 ROM image I have is v2.12 which seems a bit old to me, any more recent updates could quickly be made available via this page. The manual for Toolkit 2 is also there (same version as on the documentation website). www.dilwyn.uk6.net/tk/index.html Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:33:20 -,Î(Î) Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: No, ALCHP is only present in Toolkit 2 extensions. From SuperBASIC, you can use RESPR instead as long as no other jobs are running. Snag is that RESPR memory cannot be released later, only be a reset. There was talk of Toolkit 2 being released freely now or soon. If this is really rthe case, I'd happily put a copy of v2.12 (the most recent ROM image I have) on my website for download or email one privately if anyone (Roy? Tony?) can truly confirm this is the case. Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send you a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. You can always use ALLOCATION from TTK (which can be later released with DEALLOCATE) Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I've just put a rather nice Othello game written and sent to me by Ken Tait onto the games page. It's rather old, but works well on QPC2. Yes, that may be the one that I remember ... it was given as a programme listing that you had to type in originally ... ? Anyway the view of the playing board is good, and it plays a good game. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:22:18 -0800,Î(Î) Daniele Terdina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: That is interesting but how do you get the copy protection from the microdrive onto the QL floppy disk? It is normally a hidden sector on the microdrive, or specific number in the microdrive header The QL utility I mentioned embeds some sector header information in the file. This is then transparently read and used by Q-emuLator. Would be interesting to know if we could get QL Pawn onto Qemulator - but that loads specific sectors from the microdrive cartridge (not files per se). Loading specific sectors is not currently supported, as it would require imaging the entire microdrive. An interesting feature to consider. I think Qlay may use this approach. It actually doesn't. In reality Qlay is a lot less sofisticated in mdv emulation than QemuLator. A full image of a microdrive would be great btw (It will help save a lot of software for posterity as well in its original form with protection)... The imaging system of Locksmithe/4matter would be ideal btw Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] Old games
> That is interesting but how do you get the copy protection from the > microdrive onto the QL floppy disk? It is normally a hidden sector on the > microdrive, or specific number in the microdrive header The QL utility I mentioned embeds some sector header information in the file. This is then transparently read and used by Q-emuLator. > Would be interesting to know if we could get QL Pawn onto Qemulator - but > that loads specific sectors from the microdrive cartridge (not files per > se). Loading specific sectors is not currently supported, as it would require imaging the entire microdrive. An interesting feature to consider. I think Qlay may use this approach. Daniele ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Rich Mellor writes: <> > Otherwise just use RESPR instead of ALCHP. ..provided no jobs are running (Qdos). Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Old games
Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send you a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. Why oh why should anybody want to load a TK2 image on QPC2? Marcel That was just me being totally stupid and brain dead. Doh, told you I was having a bad day. Too little time to do anything properly, the "death" of the RomDisq totally threw me today as I had so much to do and wasted several hours on silly little problems that needn't have arisen in the first place. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Doh, thanks. It can load ROM images but obviously not needed even in the demo version. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "Rich Mellor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Old games On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:33:20 -, Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send you a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. Silly QPC2 does not need Toolkit II as it is part of smsq/e -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Rich Mellor wrote: Yes you need a TK2.ROM to link in with Qemulator - that contains ALCHP Dilwyn - is there a link to this on your website yet? Otherwise just use RESPR instead of ALCHP. Following Roy Wood's announcement that pointer environment and Toolkit 2 can be freely made available, I've put them on the Toolkits page on my software download site: www.dilwyn.uk6.net/tk/index.html These are the latest versions that I have here, with manuals, but if anyone has more recent versions which can be distributed I would gladly replace them. Toolkit 2 v2.12 rom image Reconfigurable disk Toolkit 2 v2.06b PTR_GEN 1.71 WMAN 1.53 HOT_REXT 2.29 -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote: > Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send > you a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, > although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. Why oh why should anybody want to load a TK2 image on QPC2? Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:33:20 -, Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send you a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. Silly QPC2 does not need Toolkit II as it is part of smsq/e -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote: I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the '80. Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it on one of the emulators for the PC? Any other old games available? -- PÃl Monstad There's quite a lot of games on my website www.dilwyn.uk6.net/games/index.html Cavern is there. Not sure if this is the same game as you mention (I think there was a commercial game called Cavern and a PD game called Cavern and I can't remember which was which. Thanks! The Cavern game on your site is the correct one! I downloaded QemuLator and JM ROMs, but I get an error in line 300 in the cavern_bas: r=ALCHP(72000): error in expression. As I remember the ALCHP command reserves some memory, about 72Kb in this line. It seems to not find the command at all. I thought ALCHP was a standard command in the old QDOS. Am I wrong? -- Yes you need a TK2.ROM to link in with Qemulator - that contains ALCHP Dilwyn - is there a link to this on your website yet? Otherwise just use RESPR instead of ALCHP. Have been up to my ears in non-QL stuff last week or so, not really read the list thoroughly. Am catching up...what was the final verdict on TK2? And the most recent version available? Should be easy enough to put a v2.12 image on the website if we are OK to do so. I've just put a rather nice Othello game written and sent to me by Ken Tait onto the games page. It's rather old, but works well on QPC2. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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No, ALCHP is only present in Toolkit 2 extensions. From SuperBASIC, you can use RESPR instead as long as no other jobs are running. Snag is that RESPR memory cannot be released later, only be a reset. There was talk of Toolkit 2 being released freely now or soon. If this is really rthe case, I'd happily put a copy of v2.12 (the most recent ROM image I have) on my website for download or email one privately if anyone (Roy? Tony?) can truly confirm this is the case. Use RESPR instead of ALCHP for now, until I know if it's OK to send you a TK2. I think QemuLator and QPC2 can load a Toolkit 2 ROM image, although I can't remember the commands needed from memory. I imagine any toolkit with ALCHP extension it might be OK, there's a few in the Toolkits page on my website. www.dilwyn.uk6.net/tk/index.html The first item there is an ALCHP extension. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "Pål Monstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Old games Dilwyn Jones wrote: I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the '80. Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it on one of the emulators for the PC? Any other old games available? -- Pål Monstad There's quite a lot of games on my website www.dilwyn.uk6.net/games/index.html Cavern is there. Not sure if this is the same game as you mention (I think there was a commercial game called Cavern and a PD game called Cavern and I can't remember which was which. Thanks! The Cavern game on your site is the correct one! I downloaded QemuLator and JM ROMs, but I get an error in line 300 in the cavern_bas: r=ALCHP(72000): error in expression. As I remember the ALCHP command reserves some memory, about 72Kb in this line. It seems to not find the command at all. I thought ALCHP was a standard command in the old QDOS. Am I wrong? -- Pål Monstad -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tarquin Mills wrote: > I have been thinking about a virtual microdrive for SMSQ/E, as way of > making SMSQ/E more compatible with old software, this would solve the > above problem. In other words an image filing system. I think software that does need this would probably not run anyway. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:06:35 -0800, Daniele Terdina > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is interesting but how do you get the copy protection from the > microdrive onto the QL floppy disk? It is normally a hidden sector on > the microdrive, or specific number in the microdrive header > > Would be interesting to know if we could get QL Pawn onto Qemulator - but > that loads specific sectors from the microdrive cartridge (not files per > se). I have been thinking about a virtual microdrive for SMSQ/E, as way of making SMSQ/E more compatible with old software, this would solve the above problem. In other words an image filing system. -- Tarquin Mills (Chairman) ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Spectrum/ (We want a Spectrum +4) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:06:35 -0800, Daniele Terdina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Probably the best emulator to use to play these sort of games is Qemulator - certainly seems to be more able to cope (unless they use copy protection of course). In fact, Q-emuLator can run most copy-protected QL games (for example, the unpatched Psion Chess 1.0). But you need to own the original microdrive, have a QL capable of reading it, and a way of moving files between the QL to the PC (this usually means a QL with a floppy disk interface). Q-emuLator includes a utility to copy the copy-protected files from microdrive to another location while preserving the copy protection information. That is interesting but how do you get the copy protection from the microdrive onto the QL floppy disk? It is normally a hidden sector on the microdrive, or specific number in the microdrive header Would be interesting to know if we could get QL Pawn onto Qemulator - but that loads specific sectors from the microdrive cartridge (not files per se). -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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> Probably the best emulator to use to play these sort of games is Qemulator > - certainly seems to be more able to cope (unless they use copy protection > of course). In fact, Q-emuLator can run most copy-protected QL games (for example, the unpatched Psion Chess 1.0). But you need to own the original microdrive, have a QL capable of reading it, and a way of moving files between the QL to the PC (this usually means a QL with a floppy disk interface). Q-emuLator includes a utility to copy the copy-protected files from microdrive to another location while preserving the copy protection information. Daniele ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Pål Monstad wrote: > Thanks! The Cavern game on your site is the correct one! I downloaded > QemuLator and JM ROMs, but I get an error in line 300 in the > cavern_bas: r=ALCHP(72000): error in expression. As I remember the > ALCHP command reserves some memory, about 72Kb in this line. It seems > to not find the command at all. I thought ALCHP was a standard > command in the old QDOS. Am I wrong? Suddenly I remembered! I replaced ALCHP with RESPR and now it works! Is ALCHP a command found in Toolkit II? The game was a bit slow, but I got the nostalgic feeling. I guess it is more than 15 years sincle I played the game, from microdrive. It was impossible to copy the game to a floppy. -- Pål Monstad ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:20:55 +0100, PÃl Monstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dilwyn Jones wrote: I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the '80. Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it on one of the emulators for the PC? Any other old games available? -- PÃl Monstad There's quite a lot of games on my website www.dilwyn.uk6.net/games/index.html Cavern is there. Not sure if this is the same game as you mention (I think there was a commercial game called Cavern and a PD game called Cavern and I can't remember which was which. Thanks! The Cavern game on your site is the correct one! I downloaded QemuLator and JM ROMs, but I get an error in line 300 in the cavern_bas: r=ALCHP(72000): error in expression. As I remember the ALCHP command reserves some memory, about 72Kb in this line. It seems to not find the command at all. I thought ALCHP was a standard command in the old QDOS. Am I wrong? -- Yes you need a TK2.ROM to link in with Qemulator - that contains ALCHP Dilwyn - is there a link to this on your website yet? Otherwise just use RESPR instead of ALCHP. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote: >> I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the >> '80. Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it >> on one of the emulators for the PC? >> >> Any other old games available? >> -- >> Pål Monstad > There's quite a lot of games on my website > www.dilwyn.uk6.net/games/index.html > > Cavern is there. Not sure if this is the same game as you mention (I > think there was a commercial game called Cavern and a PD game called > Cavern and I can't remember which was which. Thanks! The Cavern game on your site is the correct one! I downloaded QemuLator and JM ROMs, but I get an error in line 300 in the cavern_bas: r=ALCHP(72000): error in expression. As I remember the ALCHP command reserves some memory, about 72Kb in this line. It seems to not find the command at all. I thought ALCHP was a standard command in the old QDOS. Am I wrong? -- Pål Monstad ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote: > QPC2 should be set to QL colour 512x256 screen mode for maximum > compatibility. There is a QL screen emulation command in QPC2, > started with a command called QPC_QLSCREMU Of course if you do set QPC to QL colour 512x256 then QPC_QLSCREMU is not needed. It's only of use if you run high colour or high resolution screens. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the '80. Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it on one of the emulators for the PC? Any other old games available? -- Pål Monstad There's quite a lot of games on my website www.dilwyn.uk6.net/games/index.html Cavern is there. Not sure if this is the same game as you mention (I think there was a commercial game called Cavern and a PD game called Cavern and I can't remember which was which. QemuLator with a version JM or JS ROM image is probably the best emulator for older games programs, although QPC2 and QLay seem to manage quite well with many older programs too. QPC2 should be set to QL colour 512x256 screen mode for maximum compatibility. There is a QL screen emulation command in QPC2, started with a command called QPC_QLSCREMU QPC_QLSCREMU -1automatic mode QPC_QLSCREMU 0(disabled - default) QPC_QLSCREMU 4(force to 4-colour mode) QPC_QLSCREMU 8(force to 8 colour mode) Seems to set aside the same area of memory for a "QL" screen (32 kilobytes at address 131072 decimal) for games to write to and invisibly copy that to the "visible" screen memory, doing some colour format conversion in the process. It's described on page 8 of the QPC2 manual if you need more information. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.3 - Release Date: 24/01/2005 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:58:46 +0100, PÃl Monstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the '80. Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it on one of the emulators for the PC? Any other old games available? -- PÃl Monstad Quite a few old games are available from my website : http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/games.html and http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/updates.html Probably the best emulator to use to play these sort of games is Qemulator - certainly seems to be more able to cope (unless they use copy protection of course). However, not that many have been put into the public domain - have a look on Dilwyn's site for downloads: http://www.dilwyn.uk6.net/index.html As for running them on a Minerva ROM Tony, did you ever try them with Minerva in dual screen mode - most games will work in that mode rather than single screen mode on Minerva, for some reason -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 at 18:58:46, Pål Monstad wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >I used to play a game called Cavern (I think) on my QL back in the '80. >Is this game available somewhere, and is it possible to play it on one >of the emulators for the PC? I think it -has- to be run on original unexpanded QL, and with 128k ram. It did a lot of 'illegal' things to get the very good slick screens. I couldn't get any of those to even run in a 128k Minerva boot. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
