Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Malcolm Lear
Hi Phill, I produced a couple of Trump card clones in the 80's and still have the PCB designs at hand, so drawing up a schematic will not be difficult. If you can mail me the PLD dumps I'll label and comment the equations for you. I did this myself, but cannot locate the files any more.

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi Phill, I produced a couple of Trump card clones in the 80's and still have the PCB designs at hand, so drawing up a schematic will not be difficult. Excellent :) If you can mail me the PLD dumps I'll label and comment the equations for you. I did this

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Malcolm Lear
Ah, that brings all the memories back. I'm sure the chips were protected and I had to switch all combinations of input to deduce the equations. The good news is that I can lay my hands on a board I manufactured and read back the equations from that. Unfortunately the earliest I can do that is

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
Malcolm Lear wrote: Ah, that brings all the memories back. I'm sure the chips were protected and I had to switch all combinations of input to deduce the equations. I did wonder about that :) :) I may have a go at hooking them up to an AVR and getting it to scan and record for me :) :) The

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: Indeed, I have worked out this much, however I think the RAM test takes place before this point so will hit the mirrored rom and only see 640K :( So there must be something else afoot :) RAM test is pretty much the first thing the OS does, long before initializing the

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Malcolm Lear
Since the RAM on a standard QL was only ever intended to extend up to $B, would the test ever go beyond that. Cheers Malcolm On 21/02/2011 14:50, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: Malcolm Lear wrote: Ah, that brings all the memories back. I'm sure the chips were protected and I had to switch

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
Malcolm Lear wrote: Since the RAM on a standard QL was only ever intended to extend up to $B, would the test ever go beyond that. Yep it does, loop only stops when it finds a location where it gets a different value back than it wrote. Cheers. Phill.

Re: [Ql-Users] Trump Card questions

2011-02-21 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
Marcel Kilgus wrote: Phill Harvey-Smith wrote: Indeed, I have worked out this much, however I think the RAM test takes place before this point so will hit the mirrored rom and only see 640K :( So there must be something else afoot :) RAM test is pretty much the first thing the OS does, long

[Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
Hi all, After a bit of back and forth, it looks like I will be assembling the remaining stock of Tony Firshman's Mplane. If it happens, they will be available in about 2-3 months. For those that don't remember, the MPlane offers 3 expansion ports and has a 4-pin power connector to take power from

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com wrote: Dave, it my help those like me with less knowledge of such things to know exactly what QL'ers could make use of a back plane for, plugging in additional peripherals such as floppy drive adapter are already realised

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Adrian Ives adr...@acanthis.co.uk wrote: Yes, the ATX connector (or better) is a must. You probably want to look into an adapter lead that also bridges the Power Good signal, otherwise you won't get the PSU to switch on. This is what I had to do with my

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Daniele Terdina
A backplane allows you to place each card in its own slot. It multiplies the QL's expansion port into three, four or more ports. This means cards don't Didn't Sinclair ROMs have a bug preventing usage of all expansion slots except for the first one? Daniele

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, JJ Ruiz jjruiz_r...@yahoo.es wrote: I would get one to connect an Aurora and a Gold Card, powering them through the backplane. The 9V line, will carry 9V? or 5V? or it will be selectable? or it will be selectable by each expansion connector? ATX v2 PSUs

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tony Firshman
Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:04 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Adrian Ivesadr...@acanthis.co.uk wrote: Yes, the ATX connector (or better) is a must. You probably want to look into an adapter lead that also bridges the Power Good signal, otherwise you won't get the PSU to

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tony Firshman
Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:45 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:40 PM, JJ Ruizjjruiz_r...@yahoo.es wrote: I would get one to connect an Aurora and a Gold Card, powering them through the backplane. The 9V line, will carry 9V? or 5V? or it will be selectable? or it will be selectable by

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tony Firshman
Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:41 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Daniele Terdinadanieleterd...@hotmail.com wrote: A backplane allows you to place each card in its own slot. It multiplies the QL's expansion port into three, four or more ports. This means cards don't Didn't

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Petri Pellinen
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Daniele Terdina danieleterd...@hotmail.com wrote: Didn't Sinclair ROMs have a bug preventing usage of all expansion slots except for the first one? Being a re-newbie I also have (I hope!) a few related questions : This might be a FAQ so apologies in advance if

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Tobias Fröschle
Am 21.02.2011 21:47, schrieb Petri Pellinen: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Daniele Terdina danieleterd...@hotmail.com wrote: Didn't Sinclair ROMs have a bug preventing usage of all expansion slots except for the first one? Being a re-newbie I also have (I hope!) a few related questions :

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread David Tubbs
At 19:33 21/02/2011 +, you wrote: Only in the JM and previous rom versions. From JS onwards I believe it works as it's supposed to. Certainly Minerva and MG tested each 16k ROM slot when I made my 256k EPROM expansion card Incidently I mapped the floppy drive code in that slot freom 64k

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote: Dave Park wrote, on 21/Feb/11 19:04 | Feb21: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Adrian Ivesadr...@acanthis.co.uk wrote: Yes, the ATX connector (or better) is a must. You probably want to look into an adapter lead that

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Phill Harvey-Smith
On 22/02/2011 00:12, Dave Park wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk wrote: And, have a good insulating backing plate, because there's nothing worse than 40 amps of 12V shorting onto something metal in the case, or worse, to something on a PCB... Oh yes there

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Dave Park
On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Phill Harvey-Smith a...@aurigae.demon.co.uk wrote: On 22/02/2011 00:12, Dave Park wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk wrote: And, have a good insulating backing plate, because there's nothing worse than 40 amps of 12V shorting

Re: [Ql-Users] [ql-users] Backplanes...

2011-02-21 Thread Lee Privett
All this talk is making hunger for an SGC not having seen or used before, are there really none out there or not ever being made? Lee - Back to the QL- On 22/02/2011 00:12, Dave Park wrote: On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Tony Firshmant...@firshman.co.uk wrote: And, have a good

Re: [Ql-Users] Ql-Users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 81

2011-02-21 Thread paul
On 2/21/2011 7:51 PM, ql-users-requ...@lists.q-v-d.com wrote: snip And, have a good insulating backing plate, because there's nothing worse than 40 amps of 12V shorting onto something metal in the case, or worse, to something on a PCB... Oh yes there is - a wet tongue (8-)# Tony