RE: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML?
I met with our xhtml/css guy today. We decided upon the following plan. It's pretty obvious what needs to happen, but I thought I would run the game plan past y'all since this work might end up in the qmailadmin rpm. - Rebuild (most) everything as XHTML. (We will not be changing the list tables -- View email accounts, etc -- generated from the compiled C code, which will end up being invalid XHTML 1.1, but oh well...) - Build global navigation bar (see below for example) as part of header.html. - Add short HTML comments after all the ##x variables to show what prints there. - Make all link-names/functions/page-titles consistent. (Add/Edit/Delete versus New/Modify/Delete, etc.) - Rearranging items on the page to make it more intuitive. - Add help text for most elements to describe what they do. (This will be obviously not part of qmailadmin's localization system. It will be hard-coded english text in the templates. For our purposes adding help messages is essential, even if, annoyingly, they will still be english if the page is viewed from a non-english browser. We'll avoid 100 support requests by simply explaining how this thing works. What is a Mail Robot anyways???) - Tag all elements with class=/id= names to make it easier to style with CSS. - Apply minimal CSS. Global nav links will be this. - Mail Administration Home Accounts [+] Aliases [+] Robots [+] Mailing lists [+] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (edit) (delete) Logout - Current site map is this. (And possible renamed titles.) Structure can't change of course unless we hack the C. The scope of our rewrite will be limited to the html templates. - home Email accounts (list) - Accounts Set catchall email deleted (function) Set catchall email bounced (function) Set catchall email to account (form) Create email account (form) - Add account Modify user (form) - Edit Delete account (function with confirm) - Delete Forward accounts/aliases (list) - Aliases Add new forward (form) - Add alias Modify forward (form) - Edit Delete (function with confirm) - Delete Mail robots (list) New mail robot (form) - Add robot Modify (form) - Edit Delete (function with confirm) - Delete Mailing lists (list) Add mailing list (form) Modify (form) - Edit Delete (function with confirm) - Delete Show subscribers (list) Add subscriber (form) Delete subscriber (function with confirm) Show moderators Add moderator (form) Delete moderator (function with confirm) Refresh menu (???) - Remove this? Logout Quicklinks (form) If any other suggestions, send forth! Otherwise...I proceed. Quinn On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:14:32 -0700, Quinn Comendant wrote: I will be launching QmailAdmin to our users in 2 weeks, and so I take the initiative and will hire a XHTML/CSS geek that I work with to rebuild the templates. The idea will be to format them in pure XHTML so that any design whatever can be applied to it. Once done I'll contribute to the list. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML?
I thought I'd ask before setting upon the task myself: has anybody taken the qmailadmin templates and converted to them to valid XHTML so that CSS can easily update the design? Q - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML?
Not that I know of, though if you search for a post from Jake Vickers - Call to C programmers - he obviously has plans to rewrite vqAdmin. I have also been thinking about some additions to the mrtg monitoring for disk space, mem and cpu load; and have been using a perl script http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/sa-stats.txt to analyze which rules are most hit by spam so I can check the scores and modify one or two. I was thinking of converting this to php and outputting XHTML again to use CSS on it. These are still just ideas - and I was just going to look a packaging them up as an rpm to add onto the current install. It might be worth having a look at combining the efforts and developing a new modern look and feel to a consistent admin interface, possibly with a menu bar down the side, I don't know what your thoughts are. Jon -Original Message- From: Quinn Comendant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2006 22:07 To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML? I thought I'd ask before setting upon the task myself: has anybody taken the qmailadmin templates and converted to them to valid XHTML so that CSS can easily update the design? Q - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML?
I googled qmailadmin templates and found only one set of modified templates, slightly prettier but even worse code -- more tables and font tags added. I will be launching QmailAdmin to our users in 2 weeks, and so I take the initiative and will hire a XHTML/CSS geek that I work with to rebuild the templates. The idea will be to format them in pure XHTML so that any design whatever can be applied to it. Once done I'll contribute to the list. As for a consistent admin interface, I think that is very important -- and very *easy* if we start out the right way. However, I see the interfaces into two categories: 1. Public admin interfaces, as used by our customers. This includes only QmailAdmin for now, but which we will be incorporating into our hosting control panel with a basic spamassassin settings form, support ticketing system, and a knowledgebase. 2. Qmail Toaster admin interfaces. These will only be used by our few administrators who manage the mail server. I'm less concerned with the consistency of this interface. None of our paying customers will ever see them. But of course, as administrators OUR joy is also important! Although I personally will probably rarely use the admin-toaster, instead relying on command-line tools. I do think that some QT admins would find it useful to add to and customize the toaster-admin interface to their liking. If the toaster-admin is built using standard web technologies (i.e. NOT compiled C) and structured in a way that facilitates extension, then it would be easy to add custom screens like the SA stats, or whatever said admin chooses. The current admin-toaster interface doesn't suck, but it could use an improved navigation interface, especially if additional components/pages are added. I'm happy to join in to help move this along. Q On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:41:24 +0100, Jon Darrington wrote: Not that I know of, though if you search for a post from Jake Vickers - Call to C programmers - he obviously has plans to rewrite vqAdmin. I have also been thinking about some additions to the mrtg monitoring for disk space, mem and cpu load; and have been using a perl script http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/sa-stats.txt to analyze which rules are most hit by spam so I can check the scores and modify one or two. I was thinking of converting this to php and outputting XHTML again to use CSS on it. These are still just ideas - and I was just going to look a packaging them up as an rpm to add onto the current install. It might be worth having a look at combining the efforts and developing a new modern look and feel to a consistent admin interface, possibly with a menu bar down the side, I don't know what your thoughts are. Jon -Original Message- From: Quinn Comendant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2006 22:07 To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML? I thought I'd ask before setting upon the task myself: has anybody taken the qmailadmin templates and converted to them to valid XHTML so that CSS can easily update the design? Q - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML?
I'd certainly like to see this happen. FWIW, I like the IPCop interface. The web interface for the appliance looks just like their web site across the top (which can be confusing at times!). I don't know if it's 'good code' or not though. Quinn Comendant wrote: I googled qmailadmin templates and found only one set of modified templates, slightly prettier but even worse code -- more tables and font tags added. I will be launching QmailAdmin to our users in 2 weeks, and so I take the initiative and will hire a XHTML/CSS geek that I work with to rebuild the templates. The idea will be to format them in pure XHTML so that any design whatever can be applied to it. Once done I'll contribute to the list. As for a consistent admin interface, I think that is very important -- and very *easy* if we start out the right way. However, I see the interfaces into two categories: 1. Public admin interfaces, as used by our customers. This includes only QmailAdmin for now, but which we will be incorporating into our hosting control panel with a basic spamassassin settings form, support ticketing system, and a knowledgebase. 2. Qmail Toaster admin interfaces. These will only be used by our few administrators who manage the mail server. I'm less concerned with the consistency of this interface. None of our paying customers will ever see them. But of course, as administrators OUR joy is also important! Although I personally will probably rarely use the admin-toaster, instead relying on command-line tools. I do think that some QT admins would find it useful to add to and customize the toaster-admin interface to their liking. If the toaster-admin is built using standard web technologies (i.e. NOT compiled C) and structured in a way that facilitates extension, then it would be easy to add custom screens like the SA stats, or whatever said admin chooses. The current admin-toaster interface doesn't suck, but it could use an improved navigation interface, especially if additional components/pages are added. I'm happy to join in to help move this along. Q On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:41:24 +0100, Jon Darrington wrote: Not that I know of, though if you search for a post from Jake Vickers - Call to C programmers - he obviously has plans to rewrite vqAdmin. I have also been thinking about some additions to the mrtg monitoring for disk space, mem and cpu load; and have been using a perl script http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/sa-stats.txt to analyze which rules are most hit by spam so I can check the scores and modify one or two. I was thinking of converting this to php and outputting XHTML again to use CSS on it. These are still just ideas - and I was just going to look a packaging them up as an rpm to add onto the current install. It might be worth having a look at combining the efforts and developing a new modern look and feel to a consistent admin interface, possibly with a menu bar down the side, I don't know what your thoughts are. Jon -Original Message- From: Quinn Comendant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 October 2006 22:07 To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML? I thought I'd ask before setting upon the task myself: has anybody taken the qmailadmin templates and converted to them to valid XHTML so that CSS can easily update the design? Q -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] qmailadmin - CSS/XHTML?
Eric Shubes wrote: FWIW, I like the IPCop interface. The web interface for the appliance looks just like their web site across the top (which can be confusing at times!). I don't know if it's 'good code' or not though. I'm an IPCop-per ... Precious likeses it, yesss - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
