Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
What disease or ailment was ever cured by the church? Relkigion only tells you who to hate, not how to get better. john In a message dated 7/20/2006 1:54:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (O'C, I'm copying this from comments I made on another list to respond to you)At

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed- (lets pray not)

2006-07-21 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
The federal gov't is funding 25million. the stem cell lines the feds insist to be used are contaminated and useless. People wouldn't starve in california of they werent anorexic or bulemic. Maybe stem cell theray will cure that? john In a message dated 7/20/2006 2:43:50 PM Eastern Daylight

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
Without a womb its just a bacterial gue on the floor. john In a message dated 7/20/2006 3:34:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no, an individual sperm only contains 23 chromosomes need to be human. That is where I draw the line. It's a human when a human egg and human

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
Jim,, I have brain damage and I still can't figure out what your arguement is? You just keep saying everyone is wrong. No IV clinics now? Keep embryos frozen? How many chickens do eat for breakfast? I use to call 'm eggs. Can't tell when a rooster gets loose, huh? john In a message dated

[QUAD-L] Ben and Jerry's new flavor

2006-07-21 Thread River Wolfe
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[QUAD-L] [Fwd: FW: VOTE: Was Bush Right To Veto Stem Cell Funding Bill?]

2006-07-21 Thread Angelique Novak
---BeginMessage--- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:VOTE: Was Bush Right To Veto Stem Cell Funding Bill?Date:Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:03:59 -0500Dear Vote.com Voter,Log on to http://www.vote.com and vote on whether President Bush was right to veto a bill that would have expanded

FW: Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread William Willis
Mother Nature aborts a potential life every month. Every time a guy indulges in a bit of self-pleasure, he destroys the potential population of Chicago. When a child is born with the remnants of a twin growing from its side like a grotesque tumor, do we honor that twin as a human? When a

[QUAD-L] got a problem

2006-07-21 Thread William Willis
I know this is an issue that has been discussed here before, but I need advice. To put it bluntly, I am 54, 35 yrs. post injury, and the lastyear or two, my libido has taken a nose dive. It may be my medicine(oxycontin, ditropan, prilosec) or age or both. Anyway, it is causing some marital

[QUAD-L] War on disease

2006-07-21 Thread RollinOn
Hey John, Let's change the name from stem cell research to"The War on Terrorized Disease" and maybe we can spend 4 billion a month killing theseTerroristic Diseases. "Iraqi Freedom" Remember you blow uporsacrifice innocent mothers and fathers and their children without their permission

Re: [QUAD-L] got a problem

2006-07-21 Thread RollinOn
I'm notsure I'm the best to answer this, I'm still a quad virgin 7 yrs post but have you tried Viagra? That's right the 41 yr old quad virgin. There I said it! Mark ---Original Message--- From: William Willis Date: 07/21/06 10:13:47 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] got

Re: [QUAD-L] War on disease

2006-07-21 Thread Bill_J
It IS strange that we can kill living, breathing humans, but we can utilize zygotes which I do not recognize as being a human being. I realize many DO recognize zygotes as humans but the law does not. In the law's eyes a person can't be charged with murder if they kill a baby if that baby

Re: [QUAD-L] got a problem

2006-07-21 Thread Bobbie299
Do you have any suggestions? I need your help guys. Got any wisdom for me? Will you except a woman's suggestion? Use this opportunity to cuddle more. And if your wife needs more please her is ways you two have not explored yet. It will make thing more exciting, fun, adventurous - thus add a

Re: [QUAD-L] got a problem

2006-07-21 Thread johnny cammon
hi william?viagra works good for us.but tell your doc or ask if its ok so u won't have any complications.William Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is an issue that has been discussed here before, but I need advice. To put it bluntly, I am 54, 35 yrs. post injury, and the lastyear or

[QUAD-L] Fw: Cervical SCI Research Survey

2006-07-21 Thread Kim Anderson
Do you have a cervical spinal cord injury and live in the United States? If so, you qualify for the following research survey. Arm and Hand Function Research Survey The Reeve-Irvine Research Center is conducting a research study to determine more details about the arm/hand impairments

Re: [QUAD-L] got a problem

2006-07-21 Thread Rick Caseltine
Hi William, I know that Viagra or the like works for me but you will have to consult your doctor about the medicines you are on to see if there are complications there. If the erectile drugs wont work for you, then there are other ways couples have to be intimate. You and your partner should

[QUAD-L] from the dark side

2006-07-21 Thread Oconnelldb
I got spammed in another group from a bunch of 'devotees' who enjoy taking care of their sci buddies. Sounds pretty simple doesn't it? This is from a guy who takes movies of his para girlfriend/actress and then selling them on his website. Actually, this is from one of his customers. (We

[QUAD-L] Re: [VENT-L] Fw: Take Action: Showdown on Stem Cells this Tuesday!

2006-07-21 Thread Angelique Novak
People on life support that are in a coma, once had thought. Embryos don't even have a brain! There's a big difference! -Angelique Jim Lubin wrote: Blane, The difference is that "blocking" would be mean that they can not be used at all. The left-over embryos from IVF can be used by researcher as

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread Angelique Novak
I've thought basically the same thing, only having his children, wife, or his church-whipped ass be paralyzed from a spinal cord injury at the levels C1 C2, so it results in a ventilator dependent quadriplegic body, (like mine), would be better. No death sentence in sight, ya see. That would

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread Angelique Novak
Let's not forget that a embryo that becomes a fetus is really a parasite, feeding off the mother until delivery, if delivery happens. So embryos in a dish, are really just potential parasites. Use them! -Angelique [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without a womb its just a bacterial gue on the floor.

[QUAD-L] Despite Bush Veto, Stem Cell Research Abounds

2006-07-21 Thread Fragile
BURLINGAME, CALIF. - Never mind Wednesday's presidential veto on expanded federal funding of stem cell lines. Stem cell research is alive and well at a host of small companies and academic laboratories in the United States. In Irvine, Calif., a tiny company called PrimeCell Therapeutics has taken

[QUAD-L] electronic driving?

2006-07-21 Thread Bobbie299
Dose anybody know of electronic driving devices? My lawyer, who is a C 4,5 quad, Ed said he has electronic gas and break. I never heard of it. He also said this "device" is going up to $15,000 from $5,000 next year. Anybody? Bobbie

[QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-21 Thread Tim Thompson
The Stem Cell Dilema In my opinion, the deeper issue requires an insight into how an Inch keeps turning into the horror mile. Org Roe vs Wade was nothing more than lifting the restriction on abortion during the 1st tri-mester That inch was twisted into a Constitutional Right to the point of

Re: [QUAD-L] Despite Bush Veto, Stem Cell Research Abounds

2006-07-21 Thread StubanRN
"Keirstead is working with human embryonic stem cells to treat spinal cord injury. He has received funding for his lab from Geron, which has an exclusive license of Keirstead's patents and aims to start human trials on spinal cord injury as soon as next year." Excellent!

[QUAD-L] What Do You Think?

2006-07-21 Thread Chet Smith
I was just thinking that it takes a Man and a Woman to Conceive a Child together so, why can't they take a Mans Sperm and Ladies Juice cause I don't know that much aboutFluids of that nature. I just haven't put it on my list for learning it, even though I am a Father of two.Lets forget whats

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-21 Thread Angelique Novak
Partial birth abortions are something I'm not keen on, but the choice shouldn't be taken away. What's so great about human life? There's too many people alive already. Most of which are assholes. So what if embryos are made for parts? If they aren't yours, it shouldn't matter. That's my opinion.

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-21 Thread RollinOn
I think everyone isforgetting one important piece of this puzzle. I was watching Bush give his speech surrounded by children from adoptedembryos or Snow Flake babies and it dawned on me. The only way he could be surrounded by children that came from IVF embryos is if they at one time did

Re: [QUAD-L] electronic driving?

2006-07-21 Thread RollinOn
http://www.mobilitytransport.com/Digital_driving_system/Electronic_Mobility_Controls/aevit/aevit_primary.htm ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07/21/06 14:38:55 To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] electronic driving? Dose anybody know of electronic

Re: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think?

2006-07-21 Thread Tim Thompson
So, You want to start farming humans? It is that very practice of creating embryos for harvest which is the fear behind fed funding of embryonic stem cell research. (and already condemned internationaly) Soylent Green anyone? Are we human animals or human beings? Stunt On 7/21/06, Chet Smith

Re: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think?

2006-07-21 Thread Oconnelldb
Stunt, Ever read "Lord of the Flies"? Airplane crash on a deserted isle - only 20 kids survive - they divide into 2 camps - and then try to kill each other. Go down town to any inner city after dark. That's who we are, out in the burbs they just dress up and act nice while everyone is

[QUAD-L] (no subject)

2006-07-21 Thread MARYLN3

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-21 Thread Eric Olson
This whole issue of stem cells is a waste of time. The genie is out of the bottle. Embryonic stem cells are going to continue to be researched further and further whether any of us like it or not. It's going to be heavily funded by the U.S. government too. Just a matter of when. Stunt as

Re: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think?

2006-07-21 Thread RollinOn
Chet there's no shortage of embryos there's so many extra they're destroying them to make room for new ones. 400,000 ready for destruction annually. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Chet Smith Date: 07/21/06 15:25:23 To: Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think? I was

FW: Re: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think?

2006-07-21 Thread William Willis
Are we born evil and learn good...or born good and learn evil? That is the question. Stunt, Ever read Lord of the Flies? Airplane crash on a deserted isle - only 20 kids survive - they divide into 2 camps - and then try to kill each other. Go down town to any inner city after

FW: Re: [QUAD-L] got a problem

2006-07-21 Thread William Willis
Thanks Rick. Very good and clear explanation. You've been a great help. From: Rick Caseltine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: William Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] got a problem Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Hi William, There are two ways to answer the question of how

Re: [QUAD-L] What Do You Think?

2006-07-21 Thread Chet Smith
Well then I am just not keeping up with the times as I should do, but when I got in my wreck and the Doctor told me I wouldn't be able to walk again, I took him at his word. I made the mistake of driving sleepy and I am paying for it for rest of my Life. Not that if they would just give in to Our

[QUAD-L] Re:What do you think

2006-07-21 Thread Tleath6
I think it would be a great idea for those of us (women and men) who believe in stem cell research AND are paralyzed yet still fertile to voluntarily donate our own eggs and sperm to cure ourselves. A list of donors could be kept and when "the cure" happens, those donating should be 1st in line

Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed

2006-07-21 Thread tahouston
Only stem cells derived from abortions are not not federally funded. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Stem Cell Bill Killed he just made

Re: [QUAD-L] Viewing the Big Picture

2006-07-21 Thread DeLiMiTeD4
I simplify the moral question easily by asking myself, is there a moral reason not to use tissue from a dying "human"? We do transplants and it is never questioned. On many death penalty cases the personto die is allowed to offer organs to be donated. A baby born with no brain donates heart and