[qubes-users] Re: Qubes Blog ? and/or Fedora 25 notices ?

[qubester]

On 07/24/2017 08:43 PM, rob_66 wrote:

yreb-qusw:

updated to F25? that may be
recommended ?


I did it four weeks ago (upgraded the existing F24 templates) an haven't
been run in no issues at all.

So: recommended from my point of view.

https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/template/fedora/upgrade-24-to-25/

Cheers, Rob

oh I hadn't notice the addition to the docs section,  maybe now i'm on 
qubes announce, something like this might be posted to it ?   .regards


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[qubes-users] Uber privacy tool for databases

[Syd Brisby]

Uber has released an open source privacy tool for databases that could be of 
interest to Qubes users.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/uber-unveils-new-privacy-tool-that-protects-individual-user-data/

https://github.com/uber/sql-differential-privacy

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.09479.pdf

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Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC

[Jean-Philippe Ouellet]

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Franz <169...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:13 PM, cooloutac  wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-4, PR wrote:
>> > Hello
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen"
>> > :
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so
>> >
>> > since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of
>> >
>> > communication.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Agreed, Mailinglist and  Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers.
>> > The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for
>> > beginners, adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the
>> > documentation).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask
>> > for help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to
>> >
>> > introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or
>> >
>> > answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on
>> > the website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies.
>> >
>> >
>> > - PhR
>>
>> Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc.   That's just
>> my opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode serious
>> for over 10 years.  It should stay unofficial.
>>
>>  I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc
>> client or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are criminals
>> or spammers who want to exploit you or the network.  No moderator can help,
>> freenode can't even protect themselves.  The wolves bully that hen house.
>> Any IRC channel should stay unofficial imo.  Freenode and its communities
>> are the sole reason Linux is unpopular.  Its a ghost town full of idle bots
>> for a reason.
>>
>> Its one of the most dangerous  places to connect to, besides online games,
>> some porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it
>> was hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot,  but they were not that far
>> off.
>>
>> Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them,
>> (although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont' work)
>> Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter.
>>
>
> Well it seems that all groups are using Slack now. It is easy to use and
> works well. Have a look.
> Best
> Fran

If you're going to use not-IRC, then there is already a matrix [1]
group for Qubes. Matrix is a decentralized "secure" (whatever that
really means) alternative to Slack, and it's already picked up some
momentum. The matrix group is also bridged with the #qubes_os channels
on freenode and OFTC.

Personally, I think IRC's status as the de-facto chat protocol for
similar communities warrants having a presence there (since people
*do* regularly come there with questions), so I'll continue to idle
there and am happy to volunteer as a chanop if the Qubes team wants.

Regards,
Jean-Philippe

[1]: https://matrix.org/

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Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC

[Franz]

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:13 PM, cooloutac  wrote:

> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-4, PR wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen" <
> kchr+qub...@fripost.org>:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so
> >
> > since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of
> >
> > communication.
> >
> >
> >
> > Agreed, Mailinglist and  Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers.
> > The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for
> beginners, adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the
> documentation).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask
> for help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to
> >
> > introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or
> >
> > answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion.
> >
> >
> >
> > If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on
> the website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies.
> >
> >
> > - PhR
>
> Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc.   That's just
> my opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode
> serious for over 10 years.  It should stay unofficial.
>
>  I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc
> client or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are
> criminals or spammers who want to exploit you or the network.  No moderator
> can help, freenode can't even protect themselves.  The wolves bully that
> hen house.  Any IRC channel should stay unofficial imo.  Freenode and its
> communities are the sole reason Linux is unpopular.  Its a ghost town full
> of idle bots for a reason.
>
> Its one of the most dangerous  places to connect to, besides online games,
> some porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it
> was hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot,  but they were not that
> far off.
>
> Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them,
> (although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont' work)
> Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter.
>
>
Well it seems that all groups are using Slack now. It is easy to use and
works well. Have a look.
Best
Fran


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Re: [qubes-users] Dom0 entries have vanished from the applications menu.

[filtrationisuseless]

> This is a known issue that has affected a number of users.
> 
> If you look on the bright side you now have a much cleaner menu, and you
> can limit it to the few applications that you might want to run in dom0
> (hint - very few.)
> 
> You can copy the files from out of a Fedora based qube if you have one.
> 
> If you still have the install medium then you can extract the desktop
> files for applications that you want, by pulling them from the rpm
> packages:
> 
> For example, to get the xterm .desktop file:
> 
> mount qubes.iso /mnt
> rpm2cpio /mnt/Packages/x/xterm-318-2.fc23.86_64.rpm |cpio -idv "*.desktop"
> 
> This will extract xterm.desktop in usr in the current directory, and you
> can then move it in to /usr/share/applications
> 
> You can, of course, put this in a loop and iterate over all the Packages
> on the install disk, if you must.
> 
> If you have neither Fedora templates, nor the install medium, then you
> can write desktop files simply enough, or get them from another user.
> 
> I should say that NOT having dom0 entries is in my opinion a good thing
> - when I'm preparing Qubes for a new user I almost always delete them,
> and radically simplify the menu.
> 
> unman
> 
> 
> 
RESOLVED

I mounted the install media and extracted the desktop files as per your
instructions. Creating launchers from the desktop worked too. Desktop
files for the applications I wanted imported fine, but the xfce settings
manager is empty when I open it. That's fine, though.

Thanks, Unman.

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[qubes-users] trouble with RXVT in debian

[memetic . contagion]

hi, I followed the instructions on getting RXVT to work(with automatic updates 
when changes are made to the source file) from here:
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/rxvt/

but I can't seem to get the source file to merge automatically... any idea 
what's wrong?

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Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC

[cooloutac]

On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-4, PR wrote:
> Hello
> 
> 
> 
> Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen" :
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so
> 
> since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of
> 
> communication.
> 
> 
> 
> Agreed, Mailinglist and  Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers.
> The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for beginners, 
> adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the documentation).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask for 
> help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to
> 
> introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or
> 
> answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion.
> 
> 
> 
> If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on the 
> website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies.
> 
> 
> - PhR

Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc.   That's just my 
opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode serious for 
over 10 years.  It should stay unofficial.

 I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc client 
or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are criminals or 
spammers who want to exploit you or the network.  No moderator can help, 
freenode can't even protect themselves.  The wolves bully that hen house.  Any 
IRC channel should stay unofficial imo.  Freenode and its communities are the 
sole reason Linux is unpopular.  Its a ghost town full of idle bots for a 
reason. 

Its one of the most dangerous  places to connect to, besides online games, some 
porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it was 
hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot,  but they were not that far off.

Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them,  
(although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont' work)  
Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter.

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Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC

[cooloutac]

 sounds like a waste of time, freenode is an abandoned cesspool.  If you care 
about your security you wouldn't even be using it.The google mailing list 
is great though, because it already deters the deplorables...

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Re: [qubes-users] dvm starting extremly slow -> guid

[cooloutac]

same thing has been happening to me and I was going to make a post about it, 
but then it just fixed itself.   I'm also using fedora-25 for the dvm.

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[qubes-users] Re: Cant get the Http-filtering proxy to work

[Finsh]

Hey, thanks for your answer.Maybe i understood the purpose wrong, my english is 
horrible ;(.

What im trying to achieve is to be properly able to use my gmail account along 
with the others in one email-appvm, with tight firewallrules which only allow 
traffic with the email-provider-servers.
But since the firewall resolves to ipadresses, an the gmail-server-ipadress 
changes frequently , this doesnt work with gmail( it does just fine with all my 
other accounts though)


cheers

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[qubes-users] got vagrant running on qubes

[pixel fairy]

https://gist.github.com/xahare/0f2078fc8c52e7ddece1e5ba70c6d5fc

tl;dr qemu with the libvirt provider. emulation, not virtualization, so its 
slow. but, it works. use the debian-9 template. debian-8 and fedora-25 have 
conflicting xen libraries.

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[qubes-users] Did anyon actually manage to change the screensaver-wallpaper?

[Finsh]

Headline says it all.
I followed the instructions i found in the internet, however, the screen stays 
black.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/74200/how-do-i-use-a-photos-directory-as-my-screensaver

greetings

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Re: [qubes-users] Cant get the Http-filtering proxy to work

[Unman]

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:43:26AM -0700, Finsh wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> 
> im trying to get a http-filtering proxy in a firewall vm to work for my 
> Email-appvm.
> The reason is im using a google-mail account, so i  cant use the normal 
> firewall resolving to ipadresses.
> 
> I followed the tutorial to the letter, and as far as i can tell, everything 
> worked fine, the script can properly recognize the rule files,
> when i run " sudo /rw/config/tinyproxy/proxyctl.py show " everything is as 
> expected.
> Name   IP  Interface Proxy_Pid
> privatmail 10.137.6.19 vif10.0   1265
> 
> However, when i configure thunderbird to use the firewallvm proxy settings, 
> the complete internet connection is blocked.
> 
> I set the Thunderbird-networksettings like so:
> 
> Port 8100 Http-proxy: 10.137.5.1 (which is the gateway of the firewall-vm)
> 
> the firewall-rules of the email-vm i set to "deny network access except..." 
> and unchecked "allow ICMP traffic" and "allow DNS queries"
> 
> i tried everything i could think of, but just couldnt get it to work :(.
> 
> Help is much appreciated 
> 
> cheers.
> 

I dont understand what you are trying to do here - that tutorial is for
setting up a http-filtering proxy using tinyproxy.
I'm not convinced that tinyproxy offers what you want, which is a fully
featured proxy server - that's on the assumption that you're trying to
use IMAP SMTP at gmail. I could be completely wrong about this.

If you want to test your current set-up the simplest thing to do would
be to set a proxy in firefox, and see if you can access web sites by
name and by IP address.
Depending on what filtering rule you have you should see content or see
a message from tinyproxy.

You should be able to see the traffic on your firewall, so you can
understand what is happening.
A combination of iptables -L -nv and tinyproxy logging should help you
understand what's going on on the firewall.

That way you will be clear that you have the proxy set up and working
properly.

unman

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Re: [qubes-users] Dom0 entries have vanished from the applications menu.

[Unman]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 07:52:32PM -0400, filtrationisusel...@posteo.de wrote:
> In the application menu, dom0 entries have disappeared, including the
> logout options. All entries for AppVM, ServiceVM, and Templates remain.
> This has happened to me before, but I don't know how to proceed.
> 
> XFCE builds these menus from .desktop files in locations like
> ~/.local/share/applications/ (mine has has only .desktop files for VMs)
> and /usr/share/applications/ (which has none.) /var/lib/qubes/qubes.xml
> mentions /var/lib/qubes/servicevms/dom0/, but that folder doesn't exist
> on my system.
> 
> It looks like this happened right after I removed some templates with
> the "$ sudo dnf remove " command. Terminal outputted some errors, but I
> overlooked them and don't know if they would be in any logs.
> 
> Can anyone help me with this?

This is a known issue that has affected a number of users.

If you look on the bright side you now have a much cleaner menu, and you
can limit it to the few applications that you might want to run in dom0
(hint - very few.)

You can copy the files from out of a Fedora based qube if you have one.

If you still have the install medium then you can extract the desktop
files for applications that you want, by pulling them from the rpm
packages:

For example, to get the xterm .desktop file:

mount qubes.iso /mnt
rpm2cpio /mnt/Packages/x/xterm-318-2.fc23.86_64.rpm |cpio -idv "*.desktop"

This will extract xterm.desktop in usr in the current directory, and you
can then move it in to /usr/share/applications

You can, of course, put this in a loop and iterate over all the Packages
on the install disk, if you must.

If you have neither Fedora templates, nor the install medium, then you
can write desktop files simply enough, or get them from another user.

I should say that NOT having dom0 entries is in my opinion a good thing
- when I'm preparing Qubes for a new user I almost always delete them,
and radically simplify the menu.

unman



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[qubes-users] Cant get the Http-filtering proxy to work

[Finsh]

Hey Guys,

im trying to get a http-filtering proxy in a firewall vm to work for my 
Email-appvm.
The reason is im using a google-mail account, so i  cant use the normal 
firewall resolving to ipadresses.

I followed the tutorial to the letter, and as far as i can tell, everything 
worked fine, the script can properly recognize the rule files,
when i run " sudo /rw/config/tinyproxy/proxyctl.py show " everything is as 
expected.
Name   IP  Interface Proxy_Pid
privatmail 10.137.6.19 vif10.0   1265

However, when i configure thunderbird to use the firewallvm proxy settings, the 
complete internet connection is blocked.

I set the Thunderbird-networksettings like so:

Port 8100 Http-proxy: 10.137.5.1 (which is the gateway of the firewall-vm)

the firewall-rules of the email-vm i set to "deny network access except..." and 
unchecked "allow ICMP traffic" and "allow DNS queries"

i tried everything i could think of, but just couldnt get it to work :(.

Help is much appreciated 

cheers.

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[qubes-users] Re: AMD Ryzen + new AMD Graphic card - Qubes 3.2

[Foppe de Haan]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 10:51:09 PM UTC+2, jackwo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> i tried to install latest Qubes iso (from 2016) and faild the Gui install 
> hang up and the text base install won't let me insert the luks password 
> (seems to be very old issue still exist) look here: 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1161
> 
> anyway...
> 
> amd ryzen need kernel 4.11+ and my graphic card need linux-firmware (amdgpu) 
> within the kernel.
> 
> is there a chance for me to build qubes with qubes-build 
> (https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/qubes-builder/) ?
> 
> do i get full upgrade iso? if i choose unstable template do i get latest 
> kernel?
> 
> 
> i plan to install fedora 26 minimal and build the iso and then install. any 
> advice for me?

4.9.35-19 (in current-testing) should be compatible with Ryzen as well, so you 
shouldn't need 4.11 for that. No suggestions on amdgpu, but I imagine it's 
possible if you're handy enough. :) 
As for the installer issue, the kickstart file approach should work.

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