Re: [qubes-users] What happened to domain manager in 4?

[Ted Brenner]

Here are some use cases:

1) The ability to see all the VMs currently running in one easy spot. This
helps me remember to shutdown certain VMs that I forgot to shutdown when I
was done with them.
2) The ability to know which template VMs need updating.
3) Related to 2, which appVMs need to restart since their template was
updated.
4) Easy place to make changes to VMs like expanding their available disk
space.

To sum up Rory's point. It is a clean visual way to get a lot of
information. I get that there's a new infrastructure so you'd have to
rebuild it from scratch but it was a handy tool. Warts and all. At least
for me.

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Unman  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 06:24:42AM -0800, Elias Mårtenson wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 6 December 2017 21:58:56 UTC+8, Unman  wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 03:34:25PM -0800, r...@tuta.io wrote:
> > > > Just read it. Thats fucking stupid.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > I think it's safe to say that opinion is divided on the removal.
> >
> > I liked the old tool. However, I am also on the side of agreeing with its
> > removal.
> >
> > The old tool was useful, but it wasn't any good. As Tom Zander suggested
> earlier,
> > someone else should create a new GUI. Like him, I also took a look at it
> but
> > decided not to, since Python is one of the languages I like the least,
> and when
> > it comes to unpaid work, I prefer doing it in a language I actually
> enjoy using.
> >
> > There may be people out there that enjoy writing GUIs in Python, and I'm
> sure the
> > entire Qubes community would be immensly grateful if someone stepped up
> to the
> > task. I certainly would be.
> >
>
> "useful, but wasnt any good" - do you mean buggy or poorly designed?
> What 2 features should be implemented/fixed?
>
> I confess I rarely use the Manager, so don't have a feel for what's wrong
> with it.
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Re: [qubes-users] Anyone ran a cryptocurrency mining software on qubes?

[Ted Brenner]

I've run a cpu miner for monero but only gotten ~100H/s. Was also curious
if it would be possible to use VTd to use gpus.

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> Curious if anyones gotten this to work.
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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes Manager is coming back in Qubes 4.0-rc4!

[Ted Brenner]

Woohoo! Thanks all!

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Andrew David Wong  wrote:

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> The Qubes VM Manager will be returning in Qubes 4.0-rc4, which is
> scheduled for release next week. The returning Qubes Manager will be
> slightly different from the 3.2 version. Specifically, it will not
> duplicate functionality that is already provided by the new 4.0
> widgets. Specific examples include attaching and detaching block
> devices, attaching and detaching the microphone, and VM CPU usage.
>
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Re: [qubes-users] Monero Wallet on Qubes

[Ted Brenner]

Yeah, I'd agree with Giulio. I too use the daemon so I don't have to
dedicate a ton of disk space to the blockchain.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Giulio  wrote:

> Hello,
> I use the monero gui in a clean fedora-25 template succesfully. However i
> use a remote daemon for the gui because of the cpu power and storage space
> (50gb+) needed. Are you trying to sync locally?
>
>
>
>
> On March 21, 2018 3:59:37 PM GMT+01:00, Unman 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 07:25:50AM -0700, abilgili...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi there beautiful community,
>>>
>>>  5 months user here.
>>>  I think i have figured Qubes out enough to use it as my main OS but still 
>>> i'm so noob.
>>>  I have been trying to move my monero wallet to Qubes from windows as well 
>>> and there is no good documentation about it just like any other thing 
>>> about Qubes.
>>>
>>>  So i have found this guide :
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://github.com/0xB44EFD8751077F97/monero-site/blob/3e6f4fa28b7b834a7049ee45edc294ff1c026565/resources/user-guides/cli_wallet_daemon_isolation_qubes_whonix.md
>>>
>>>  I have followed every step and managed to setup everything EXCEPT running 
>>> and synchronizing MONEROD ( monero blockchain )
>>>
>>>  This is the error that i'm getting :
>>>
>>>  user@host:~/monero-v0.11.1.0$ ./monerod
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:46.267 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/main.cpp:279 Monero 'Helium Hydra' (v0.11.1.0-release)
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:46.267 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/protocol.h:55Initializing cryptonote protocol...
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:46.268 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/protocol.h:60Cryptonote protocol initialized OK
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:46.268 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/p2p.h:63 Initializing p2p server...
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.126 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/p2p.h:68 P2p server initialized OK
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.126 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/rpc.h:58 Initializing core rpc server...
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.127 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> contrib/epee/include/net/http_server_impl_base.h:70   Binding on 
>>> 127.0.0.1:18081
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.127 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/rpc.h:63 Core rpc server initialized OK on port: 18081
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.127 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/daemon/core.h:73Initializing core...
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.127 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/cryptonote_core/cryptonote_core.cpp:323   Loading blockchain from 
>>> folder /home/user/.bitmonero/lmdb ...
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.128 719f8bf9e740WARNblockchain.db.lmdb 
>>>  src/blockchain_db/lmdb/db_lmdb.cpp:1155   LMDB memory map needs to be 
>>> resized, doing that now.
>>>  2018-03-21 14:17:52.164 719f8bf9e740INFOglobal  
>>> src/blockchain_db/lmdb/db_lmdb.cpp:494LMDB Mapsize increased.  Old: 
>>> 1024MiB, New: 2048MiB
>>>  Bus error
>>>
>>>  If any of the users of this community have this software or using this 
>>> wallet for XMR can help me, that'd be highly appreciated.
>>>
>>>  If not, no worries.
>>>
>>>  Have a good day.
>>>  King Regards.
>>>
>>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Can you confirm which Qubes version you're using?
>> Is there anything in the logs?
>> Can you check memory allocated and also free space with df ?
>>
>> It looks as if LMDB wants 2G space, and if this is in ~ you'll need to
>> allocate more space for /rw
>>
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[qubes-users] desktop recommendations?

[Ted Brenner]

Hi all,

My current desktop is getting old so I'm looking for an upgrade. Obviously
I want to run qubes on it so hoping some of you may have recently built a
new desktop that you're currently running qubes on. I've seen a lot of
emails about laptops but rarely about desktops so thought it was worth
asking.

Also, I've seen the hardware compatibility list. The problem with that is
you have no idea how old those posts are and what sort of system they're
part of. Or if they work with Qubes 4.

Anyway, thanks for help in advance.
Ted

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Re: [qubes-users] desktop recommendations?

[Ted Brenner]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 4:41 PM, [799]  wrote:

> Hello Ted,
>
> On 03/22/2018 05:07 PM, Ted Brenner wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My current desktop is getting old so I'm looking for an upgrade.
> > [...]
>
> for what reason are you looking for a desktop? Because of high perfomance
> or to use several harddrives/ssds?
> Buying a laptop has lots of advantages compared to a desktop and with a
> docking station you get a very flexible desktop replacement.
>
>
I like to tinker and I think that is easier with a desktop. Also, typically
they're cheaper and I do like to have several hard drives as you mentioned.


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[qubes-users] disk utility in dom0

[Ted Brenner]

What is the best way to add and partition disks in dom0? I just added some
hard drives that I'd like to format and partition and then pass those to a
guest VM for storing my person files. With xfce, I don't see any GUI based
disk utility. Does this have to be done via the command line?

Thanks!

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: disk utility in dom0

[Ted Brenner]

I assume this is something that could be done during install right? Does
seem like something should already be there. Though having gparted seems
worthwhile. Thanks for the help!

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 7:15 PM,  wrote:

> Btw, forgot to add just in case, be sure to download the gparted that
> matches the Fedora version which Dom0 is running on. If you are running
> Qubes 3.2, then it is likely to be Fedora 23. Also be mindful of
> downloading to the right architecture matching your system, there are 3
> architecture RPM download choices once you click on the Fedora version.
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Re: [qubes-users] disk utility in dom0

[Ted Brenner]

Thanks all for your help. I assume fdisk can do all this right? And that
does appear to be in dom0.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:26:01 AM UTC+1, Ángel wrote:
> > Ted Brenner wrote:
> > > What is the best way to add and partition disks in dom0? I just added
> > > some hard drives that I'd like to format and partition and then pass
> > > those to a guest VM for storing my person files. With xfce, I don't
> > > see any GUI based disk utility. Does this have to be done via the
> > > command line?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > I would recommend you to simply attach the disks to be formatted into a
> > VM and format them there. What's the point of exposing dom0 to them?
> > You can later attach them to the same or different VM for usage.
>
> Is it reliable though? For example will the result always be exactly the
> same as if the drive was managed in Dom0? Does the used file-system matter
> if applied through a VM or are any possible factors completely unaffected?
> For example is there a difference to manage BTRFS, ZFS, NTFS, EXT4, random
> exotic FS, RAID of any build kind, HDD/SSD, old or new cutting edge drive
> technologies, or any other possible factor, through a VM compared to a bare
> metal OS?
> Anything at all to look out for if undertaking changes on a drive through
> a VM?
>
> Does it pose a risk change in the rate of bit errors? For example from
> file system or drive error odds with an 1 in 10^15, to 1 in 10^7 risk
> increase?
> It is after all better to be proactive to prevent possible issues, than it
> is to leave it unknown, when it comes to precious irreplaceable important
> data.
>
> Best practice in terms of security, yes sure, but is it also best practice
> in terms of data integrity? Is there any possible trade-offs here to be
> aware of?
>
> There may be no difference at all, or there may be. But the point is, for
> those not in the knowing, which one is it? It would be great to be
> reasonably certain when using new technology where important data is
> involved, where common sense may need an update, rather than being among
> the first victims due to outdated assumptions, relics of an old age in an
> ever faster changing world.
>
> So taking all that into account, all possible factors included, is it
> really just as reliable to manage drives in VM's as when done in Dom0?
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Re: [qubes-users] disk utility in dom0

[Ted Brenner]

Fortunately I was able to accomplish this using fdisk without having to
install anything new. One thing I haven't been able to figure out though,
when I attach it to one of my appVMs, I don't know where to find it. This
page <https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/external-device-mount-point/> mentions
/run/media/user/ but I don't see /run/media directory. Is there somewhere
else I should be looking?

Thanks!

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Ted Brenner  wrote:

> Thanks all for your help. I assume fdisk can do all this right? And that
> does appear to be in dom0.
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 1:26:01 AM UTC+1, Ángel wrote:
>> > Ted Brenner wrote:
>> > > What is the best way to add and partition disks in dom0? I just added
>> > > some hard drives that I'd like to format and partition and then pass
>> > > those to a guest VM for storing my person files. With xfce, I don't
>> > > see any GUI based disk utility. Does this have to be done via the
>> > > command line?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks!
>> > >
>> > I would recommend you to simply attach the disks to be formatted into a
>> > VM and format them there. What's the point of exposing dom0 to them?
>> > You can later attach them to the same or different VM for usage.
>>
>> Is it reliable though? For example will the result always be exactly the
>> same as if the drive was managed in Dom0? Does the used file-system matter
>> if applied through a VM or are any possible factors completely unaffected?
>> For example is there a difference to manage BTRFS, ZFS, NTFS, EXT4, random
>> exotic FS, RAID of any build kind, HDD/SSD, old or new cutting edge drive
>> technologies, or any other possible factor, through a VM compared to a bare
>> metal OS?
>> Anything at all to look out for if undertaking changes on a drive through
>> a VM?
>>
>> Does it pose a risk change in the rate of bit errors? For example from
>> file system or drive error odds with an 1 in 10^15, to 1 in 10^7 risk
>> increase?
>> It is after all better to be proactive to prevent possible issues, than
>> it is to leave it unknown, when it comes to precious irreplaceable
>> important data.
>>
>> Best practice in terms of security, yes sure, but is it also best
>> practice in terms of data integrity? Is there any possible trade-offs here
>> to be aware of?
>>
>> There may be no difference at all, or there may be. But the point is, for
>> those not in the knowing, which one is it? It would be great to be
>> reasonably certain when using new technology where important data is
>> involved, where common sense may need an update, rather than being among
>> the first victims due to outdated assumptions, relics of an old age in an
>> ever faster changing world.
>>
>> So taking all that into account, all possible factors included, is it
>> really just as reliable to manage drives in VM's as when done in Dom0?
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[qubes-users] auto attach and mount internal hard drive in appVM on boot

[Ted Brenner]

Hi all,

Is it possible, via a config file, to attach a device to a appVM during
boot up and mount it? I'd like to pass an HDD to my personal appVM without
having to manually attach it and mount it each time I open the vm.

Thanks!

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Re: [qubes-users] windows7 hangs on installation

[Ted Brenner]

Thanks! That did it. I wonder if this should be added to the guide? Or is
this uncommon enough that we should just let folks find it on github if
they happen to run into it?

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 9:38 PM, '01v3g4n10' via qubes-users <
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> On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 2:33:53 AM UTC, griz...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 1:36:56 PM UTC-5, scheu...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> > > Thanks for your answer.
> > > I wait about 6 hours but nothing happens.
> > > Of course you´re right. I just installed the QWT to dom0.
> >
> > Did you figure this out? I'm seeing this same problem now.
>
> These instructions worked for me.
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2488
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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes and ram

[Ted Brenner]

I have 8 GB of RAM and I feel like I can't have more than 3 AppVMs open
(with Chrome) before I hit a limit and can't open up anymore appVMs. Could
be my configuration in terms of what minimal amount of memory I assign
though I'm using everything as it comes right out of the box. If someone
can get 12, I must be doing something wrong.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:55 AM, Zrubi  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> On 02/22/2017 11:36 AM, sgshsjjsnb3...@gmail.com wrote:
> > How does Qubes uses memory? I use about 20VMs (AppVMs, NetVMs,
> > ProxyVMs, etc) and i don't see any difference between 8 and 16 gigs
> > on laptop, does it make sense to add more memory?
>
> there is no such thing as too much RAM. :)
>
> I'm using ~12 online VMs  and usually hitting memory limits of my 8Gb.
>
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Re: [qubes-users] Win 7, Qubes 3.2, qubes-windows-tools 3.2.2-3 struggles

[Ted Brenner]

For what it's worth, I'm having the exact same issues.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Ed Welch  wrote:

> Hey everyone, new to qubes, love it!
>
> Getting going with linux I found pretty straight forward, no issues.
>
> Trying to get a Windows 7 HVM template created, not going so well.
>
> Thought I would post some of the issues I've had for posterity and also
> see if I can get some help.
>
>
> If you are like me and don't generally read long winded posts, please at
> least scroll to my QUESTION at the bottom :)
>
>
> Most of the instructions tell you to create a VM, however, none of them
> tell you to increase the default VM specs.  For win 7 64 it seems you want
> to increase the RAM to 4096MB and primary partition to 40960MB (40G) I know
> for a fact 20G is not enough to update windows 7 sp1 to latest.
>
> You'll want to do this before anything else because it's more difficult to
> do after you get started
>
>
> Then I ran into the xen/cirrus video driver issue which causes windows to
> freeze on the startup screen, found this issue with workaround:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2488
>
> This workaround does the trick, but I think it's important to note a few
> additional steps, after the last setup reboot and BEFORE YOU SHUTDOWN
> windows and try to install the windows guest additions.
>
> MAKE SURE to enable login without password through the netplwiz tool, it
> seemed like this was the crucial step in avoiding this issue:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/Vbga8Z-DjHE/GVHIWIob5uIJ
>
> Also, users mentioned in that thread the importance of adding more RAM,
> however, for me it seemed that enabling login without password was the step
> that avoided putting your VM in a totally unrecoverable BSOD loop.
>
> Following the wiki instructions, I then installed the windows tools from
> the qubes-dom0-current-testing repo (and also updated the qrexec_timeout to
> 300 seconds) then switching back to the modified instructions for working
> around the cirrus/xen bug I was able to boot into windows and install the
> windows tools.
>
>
> This is where I hit my next big stumbling point, during the installation
> the PV drivers prompt you to reboot.  DO NOT REBOOT until the installation
> finishes, I did eventually see on this page 'Xen PV driver components may
> display a message box asking for reboot during installation – it’s safe to
> ignore them and defer the reboot.'
>
> Really this needs to be promoted to https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/w
> indows-appvms/ IMO and in big bold letters DO NOT REBOOT until the
> installation is completed kind of thing.  If you reboot before it finishes
> this is really unrecoverable and it's easier to just blow away the vm and
> start again...
>
>
> Ok, so now we get to where I'm stuck, my vm is installed,
> qubes-windows-tools 3.2.2-3 is installed, however as soon as I start the
> thing, it boots and the display immediately goes away, found this issue:
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1896  which matches the
> behavior I'm seeing, however, this was fixed some time ago, but not totally
> sure when it was released??
>
>
> My second, issue, which may actually be causing the first, seems to best
> be described in this thread: https://groups.google.com/d/to
> pic/qubes-users/4OgwojFK-sI/discussion
>
> Specifically I'm having the issue in the last comment, the only way I can
> get any UI is if I boot with --debug, and when I do, I often see that error
> linked: 'The GUI agent that runs in the VM 'win7' implements outdated
> protocol (0:0), and must be updated.
>
>
> After reading through that thread, several people were mentioning that
> 3.2.2-3 has seemed to make things less stable.
>
>
> What I would like to do, is install the previous version of
> qubes-windows-tools, but try as I might to manipulate the qubes-dom0-update
> script into doing so I have not been able to do this, I'm not even sure the
> older versions are kept in the repos??
>
> QUESTION:  Is there a way to install a specific version (whatever was
> previous to 3.2.2-3) of qubes windows tools?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ed
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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes and ram

[Ted Brenner]

I added another 8 GB so now I'm at 16 total and I've not run into any
issues yet. knock on wood. I think the max I've had is 9 VMs including the
sys-net, sys-firewall and sys-whonix. One being a Windows HVM. I plan to
optimize my setup at some point but right now there's no rush.

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 2:50 PM,  wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 10:35:11 AM UTC-5, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> > On 02/22/2017 04:09 PM, Ted Brenner wrote:
> > > I have 8 GB of RAM and I feel like I can't have more than 3 AppVMs
> > > open (with Chrome) before I hit a limit and can't open up anymore
> > > appVMs. Could be my configuration in terms of what minimal amount
> > > of memory I assign though I'm using everything as it comes right
> > > out of the box. If someone can get 12, I must be doing something
> > > wrong.
> >
> > Well that 12 online VM are distrbuted something like:
> >
> > sys-firewall
> > WiFi
> > Ethernet
> > sys-usb
> > 2 different VPN proxy VM
> >
> > those are with only 300Mb initial 512Mb max memory.
> >
> > the remaining ~6  AppVMs are starting with 512Mb to 2048Mb max.
> >
> > Of course all depend on what you are suing in those VM's. But I
> > usually have at least 1 browser +terminals  +mail clients open.
> >
> >
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Re: [qubes-users] Win 7, Qubes 3.2, qubes-windows-tools 3.2.2-3 struggles

[Ted Brenner]

Thanks for the details Ed. Did you have to start over from scratch or were
you able to remove QWT and then install the older version?

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Ed Welch  wrote:

> I figured out how to install an older version of qubes-windows-tools
> sudo dnf remove qubes-windows-tools
>
> sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing
> qubes-windows-tools-3.2.1-3.x86_64
>
> From the testing repo: http://yum.qubes-os.org/r3.2/
> current-testing/dom0/fc23/rpm/
>
> I was able to see the different versions so I chose the most recent prior
> to 3.2.2-3, which was 3.2.1-3.
>
> And I have to say, this was a whole different ballgame, everything with
> this version went really smoothly, I'm up and running now with an updated
> win 7 instance, gui comes up fine, never even needed debug mode.
>
> I'm not sure if Ted and I are just among the first to do a clean install
> with 3.2.1-3 or if there is something about our systems giving us these
> issues.
>
> Anyone please let me know how I can help (filing issues in github, logs,
> etc) but for now I'm happy with how the older version is working.
>
> Ed
>
>
> On 03/03/2017 11:45 AM, Ted Brenner wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I'm having the exact same issues.
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Ed Welch  wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone, new to qubes, love it!
>>
>> Getting going with linux I found pretty straight forward, no issues.
>>
>> Trying to get a Windows 7 HVM template created, not going so well.
>>
>> Thought I would post some of the issues I've had for posterity and also
>> see if I can get some help.
>>
>>
>> If you are like me and don't generally read long winded posts, please at
>> least scroll to my QUESTION at the bottom :)
>>
>>
>> Most of the instructions tell you to create a VM, however, none of them
>> tell you to increase the default VM specs.  For win 7 64 it seems you want
>> to increase the RAM to 4096MB and primary partition to 40960MB (40G) I know
>> for a fact 20G is not enough to update windows 7 sp1 to latest.
>>
>> You'll want to do this before anything else because it's more difficult
>> to do after you get started
>>
>>
>> Then I ran into the xen/cirrus video driver issue which causes windows to
>> freeze on the startup screen, found this issue with workaround:
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2488
>>
>> This workaround does the trick, but I think it's important to note a few
>> additional steps, after the last setup reboot and BEFORE YOU SHUTDOWN
>> windows and try to install the windows guest additions.
>>
>> MAKE SURE to enable login without password through the netplwiz tool, it
>> seemed like this was the crucial step in avoiding this issue:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/Vbga8Z-DjH
>> E/GVHIWIob5uIJ
>>
>> Also, users mentioned in that thread the importance of adding more RAM,
>> however, for me it seemed that enabling login without password was the step
>> that avoided putting your VM in a totally unrecoverable BSOD loop.
>>
>> Following the wiki instructions, I then installed the windows tools from
>> the qubes-dom0-current-testing repo (and also updated the qrexec_timeout to
>> 300 seconds) then switching back to the modified instructions for working
>> around the cirrus/xen bug I was able to boot into windows and install the
>> windows tools.
>>
>>
>> This is where I hit my next big stumbling point, during the installation
>> the PV drivers prompt you to reboot.  DO NOT REBOOT until the installation
>> finishes, I did eventually see on this page 'Xen PV driver components may
>> display a message box asking for reboot during installation – it’s safe to
>> ignore them and defer the reboot.'
>>
>> Really this needs to be promoted to https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/w
>> indows-appvms/ IMO and in big bold letters DO NOT REBOOT until the
>> installation is completed kind of thing.  If you reboot before it finishes
>> this is really unrecoverable and it's easier to just blow away the vm and
>> start again...
>>
>>
>> Ok, so now we get to where I'm stuck, my vm is installed,
>> qubes-windows-tools 3.2.2-3 is installed, however as soon as I start the
>> thing, it boots and the display immediately goes away, found this issue:
>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1896  which matches the
>> behavior I'm seeing, however, this was fixed some time ago, but not totally
>> sure when it was released??
>>
>>
&g

Re: [qubes-users] Win 7, Qubes 3.2, qubes-windows-tools 3.2.2-3 struggles

[Ted Brenner]

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Ed Welch  wrote:

> On 03/06/2017 09:16 PM, Ted Brenner wrote:
>
> Thanks for the details Ed. Did you have to start over from scratch or were
> you able to remove QWT and then install the older version?
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Ed Welch  wrote:
>
>> I figured out how to install an older version of qubes-windows-tools
>> sudo dnf remove qubes-windows-tools
>>
>> sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing
>> qubes-windows-tools-3.2.1-3.x86_64
>>
>> From the testing repo: http://yum.qubes-os.org/r3.2/c
>> urrent-testing/dom0/fc23/rpm/
>>
>> I was able to see the different versions so I chose the most recent prior
>> to 3.2.2-3, which was 3.2.1-3.
>>
>> And I have to say, this was a whole different ballgame, everything with
>> this version went really smoothly, I'm up and running now with an updated
>> win 7 instance, gui comes up fine, never even needed debug mode.
>>
>> I'm not sure if Ted and I are just among the first to do a clean install
>> with 3.2.1-3 or if there is something about our systems giving us these
>> issues.
>>
>> Anyone please let me know how I can help (filing issues in github, logs,
>> etc) but for now I'm happy with how the older version is working.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> On 03/03/2017 11:45 AM, Ted Brenner wrote:
>>
>> For what it's worth, I'm having the exact same issues.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Ed Welch  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone, new to qubes, love it!
>>>
>>> Getting going with linux I found pretty straight forward, no issues.
>>>
>>> Trying to get a Windows 7 HVM template created, not going so well.
>>>
>>> Thought I would post some of the issues I've had for posterity and also
>>> see if I can get some help.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are like me and don't generally read long winded posts, please at
>>> least scroll to my QUESTION at the bottom :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of the instructions tell you to create a VM, however, none of them
>>> tell you to increase the default VM specs.  For win 7 64 it seems you want
>>> to increase the RAM to 4096MB and primary partition to 40960MB (40G) I know
>>> for a fact 20G is not enough to update windows 7 sp1 to latest.
>>>
>>> You'll want to do this before anything else because it's more difficult
>>> to do after you get started
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I ran into the xen/cirrus video driver issue which causes windows
>>> to freeze on the startup screen, found this issue with workaround:
>>> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2488
>>>
>>> This workaround does the trick, but I think it's important to note a few
>>> additional steps, after the last setup reboot and BEFORE YOU SHUTDOWN
>>> windows and try to install the windows guest additions.
>>>
>>> MAKE SURE to enable login without password through the netplwiz tool, it
>>> seemed like this was the crucial step in avoiding this issue:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/Vbga8Z-DjH
>>> E/GVHIWIob5uIJ
>>>
>>> Also, users mentioned in that thread the importance of adding more RAM,
>>> however, for me it seemed that enabling login without password was the step
>>> that avoided putting your VM in a totally unrecoverable BSOD loop.
>>>
>>> Following the wiki instructions, I then installed the windows tools from
>>> the qubes-dom0-current-testing repo (and also updated the qrexec_timeout to
>>> 300 seconds) then switching back to the modified instructions for working
>>> around the cirrus/xen bug I was able to boot into windows and install the
>>> windows tools.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is where I hit my next big stumbling point, during the installation
>>> the PV drivers prompt you to reboot.  DO NOT REBOOT until the installation
>>> finishes, I did eventually see on this page 'Xen PV driver components may
>>> display a message box asking for reboot during installation – it’s safe to
>>> ignore them and defer the reboot.'
>>>
>>> Really this needs to be promoted to https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/w
>>> indows-appvms/ IMO and in big bold letters DO NOT REBOOT until the
>>> installation is completed kind of thing.  If you reboot before it finishes
>>> this is really unrecoverable and it's easier to just blow away the vm and
>>> start again

[qubes-users] postfix

[Ted Brenner]

Hi all,

I'm trying to setup postfix following this guide
. But I'm not able to get a few
things to work.

First, the commands I added to /rw/config/rc.local don't seem to run.
Namely, it doesn't appear to be mounting the /usr/local/etc/postfix
directory in /etc/postfix. Also postfix doesn't appear to be running on
startup. How do we tell if that gets run correctly?

Thanks!
Ted

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Re: [qubes-users] postfix

[Ted Brenner]

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Unman  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 09:56:02PM -0600, Ted Brenner wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm trying to setup postfix following this guide
> > <https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/postfix/>. But I'm not able to get a few
> > things to work.
> >
> > First, the commands I added to /rw/config/rc.local don't seem to run.
> > Namely, it doesn't appear to be mounting the /usr/local/etc/postfix
> > directory in /etc/postfix. Also postfix doesn't appear to be running on
> > startup. How do we tell if that gets run correctly?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Ted
> >
>
> Other have pointed out that you need to set the executable bit on
> rc.local.
> You might want to cnsider instead the use of bind-dirs :
> www.qubes-os.org/doc/bind-dirs which provides similar functionality.
>

Thanks all. Yes, this was the issue. Still can't get postfix to work but
that now appears to be due to missing the aliases.db.

Is there a reason rc.local isn't executable by default?

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Re: [qubes-users] postfix

[Ted Brenner]

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Ted Brenner  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Unman  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 09:56:02PM -0600, Ted Brenner wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm trying to setup postfix following this guide
>> > <https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/postfix/>. But I'm not able to get a few
>> > things to work.
>> >
>> > First, the commands I added to /rw/config/rc.local don't seem to run.
>> > Namely, it doesn't appear to be mounting the /usr/local/etc/postfix
>> > directory in /etc/postfix. Also postfix doesn't appear to be running on
>> > startup. How do we tell if that gets run correctly?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Ted
>> >
>>
>> Other have pointed out that you need to set the executable bit on
>> rc.local.
>> You might want to cnsider instead the use of bind-dirs :
>> www.qubes-os.org/doc/bind-dirs which provides similar functionality.
>>
>
> Thanks all. Yes, this was the issue. Still can't get postfix to work but
> that now appears to be due to missing the aliases.db.
>
> Is there a reason rc.local isn't executable by default?
>
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Quick follow up. What user is running rc.local? Is it root or user? I
assume it is user since I'm seeing a permission denied when the call to run
postfix tries to access the aliases.db file. So should I throw a sudo in
front of the command to start postfix in the rc.local file? Or should I
change the permissions on aliases.db? Per the instructions I'm also doing a
mount command but that succeeds. Which is odd since if I try it as user, it
fails saying only root can do it. Which is why I ask which user is running
rc.local.

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Re: [qubes-users] postfix

[Ted Brenner]

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Unman  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:36:11PM -0600, Ted Brenner wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Ted Brenner  wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Unman 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 09:56:02PM -0600, Ted Brenner wrote:
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm trying to setup postfix following this guide
> > >> > <https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/postfix/>. But I'm not able to get a
> few
> > >> > things to work.
> > >> >
> > >> > First, the commands I added to /rw/config/rc.local don't seem to
> run.
> > >> > Namely, it doesn't appear to be mounting the /usr/local/etc/postfix
> > >> > directory in /etc/postfix. Also postfix doesn't appear to be
> running on
> > >> > startup. How do we tell if that gets run correctly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks!
> > >> > Ted
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Other have pointed out that you need to set the executable bit on
> > >> rc.local.
> > >> You might want to cnsider instead the use of bind-dirs :
> > >> www.qubes-os.org/doc/bind-dirs which provides similar functionality.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Thanks all. Yes, this was the issue. Still can't get postfix to work
> but
> > > that now appears to be due to missing the aliases.db.
> > >
> > > Is there a reason rc.local isn't executable by default?
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
> >
> > Quick follow up. What user is running rc.local? Is it root or user? I
> > assume it is user since I'm seeing a permission denied when the call to
> run
> > postfix tries to access the aliases.db file. So should I throw a sudo in
> > front of the command to start postfix in the rc.local file? Or should I
> > change the permissions on aliases.db? Per the instructions I'm also
> doing a
> > mount command but that succeeds. Which is odd since if I try it as user,
> it
> > fails saying only root can do it. Which is why I ask which user is
> running
> > rc.local.
> >
> It's root - you could see this by appending:
> echo `whoami` >> /home/user/rc_perms
> But I suspect you already know this.
>
> What are the permissions on aliases.db?
> What template are you using and do you have selinux enabled?
>
>
>
Thanks Unman. I'm using Fedora-24 and selinux is not enabled. aliases.db is
owned by root:root with rw-r--r--.

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Re: [qubes-users] How can I make a second hard disk available to an app-vm's fstab

[Ted Brenner]

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Unman  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 02:57:30PM -0800, decuser wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a qubes newbie, but I am learning a lot about security, firewalls,
> and networking in general through my exploration with the os. I have
> created an rsyncd server as a standalone, debian app-vm and appropriately
> configured the firewall in sys-net, sys-firewall and my-rsyncd. I am able
> to connect and use rsync to store files on the server from a machine other
> than the qubes machine. Yay. However, I did notice that I had to connect
> the storage (it's an internal sata drive) as a block device after I booted
> the server in order to have the data disk available for mounting. I looked
> around for help and didn't see anything that seemed to really fit with my
> problem (just want to tell qubes to attach the block device to the app-vm
> at startup). I searched google and found a really popular message with some
> pretty arcane instructions about allowing the app-vm to run scripts on
> qubes dom0 and that just sounds wrong on so many levels that I thought I
> would ask it here in the hopes of finding some simple instructions, advice,
> and or rationale.
> >
> > Is is possible to make a second hard disk available to an app-vm's fstab
> so that it can be mounted when the vm starts up? If it's a security
> no-brainer why this is an ill conceived idea, I would appreciate hearing
> about that as well, but really, I just want my rsyncd app-vm to have access
> to that honking big drive when it starts up without my having to manually
> mount stuff every time I restart.
> >
> > Thanks for being patient with the newbs,
> >
> > Will
> >
>
> Hi Will
>
> Strangely enough I've just addressed exactly this issue in another post
> - look at the thread on "storage occupancy on qubes os" for one approach
> to take. It's not hard to do and you should be able to adapt that to
> your circumstances quite easily: if not, post your problem, and we'll
> try to help.
>
> unman
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Re: [qubes-users] Is it possible to make *bsd hvm template as base of sys-net and sys-firewall domains?

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On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Unman  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 12:37:53PM -0800, enq123...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Subj.
> >
>
> sys-net yes, of course.
> As firewall you would have to configure the interfaces and ipfilter
> yourself, as the Qubes tools wont simply work for you there - but the
> firewall service is quite straightforward and should be relatively easy
> to implement if you really wanted to.
>
> Also, if your qubes are relatively static you can simply build the
> firewall rules and load them at boot, not worrying about changing them
> as you connect qubes to the firewall. I expect that for most users this
> approach would work perfectly well.
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Just out of curiosity, why do you want to use a BSD OS as your
sys-net/firewall? I had been thinking about using OpenBSD in such a manner
but wasn't sure if it was worth the effort.

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Re: [qubes-users] postfix

[Ted Brenner]

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Ted Brenner  wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Unman  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:36:11PM -0600, Ted Brenner wrote:
>> > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Ted Brenner  wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Unman 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 09:56:02PM -0600, Ted Brenner wrote:
>> > >> > Hi all,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'm trying to setup postfix following this guide
>> > >> > <https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/postfix/>. But I'm not able to get
>> a few
>> > >> > things to work.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > First, the commands I added to /rw/config/rc.local don't seem to
>> run.
>> > >> > Namely, it doesn't appear to be mounting the /usr/local/etc/postfix
>> > >> > directory in /etc/postfix. Also postfix doesn't appear to be
>> running on
>> > >> > startup. How do we tell if that gets run correctly?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks!
>> > >> > Ted
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> Other have pointed out that you need to set the executable bit on
>> > >> rc.local.
>> > >> You might want to cnsider instead the use of bind-dirs :
>> > >> www.qubes-os.org/doc/bind-dirs which provides similar functionality.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Thanks all. Yes, this was the issue. Still can't get postfix to work
>> but
>> > > that now appears to be due to missing the aliases.db.
>> > >
>> > > Is there a reason rc.local isn't executable by default?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sent from my Desktop
>> > >
>> >
>> > Quick follow up. What user is running rc.local? Is it root or user? I
>> > assume it is user since I'm seeing a permission denied when the call to
>> run
>> > postfix tries to access the aliases.db file. So should I throw a sudo in
>> > front of the command to start postfix in the rc.local file? Or should I
>> > change the permissions on aliases.db? Per the instructions I'm also
>> doing a
>> > mount command but that succeeds. Which is odd since if I try it as
>> user, it
>> > fails saying only root can do it. Which is why I ask which user is
>> running
>> > rc.local.
>> >
>> It's root - you could see this by appending:
>> echo `whoami` >> /home/user/rc_perms
>> But I suspect you already know this.
>>
>> What are the permissions on aliases.db?
>> What template are you using and do you have selinux enabled?
>>
>>
>>
> Thanks Unman. I'm using Fedora-24 and selinux is not enabled. aliases.db
> is owned by root:root with rw-r--r--.
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I think the source of my problem was that postfix does some initial
configuration on its first launch. This requires the postfix-files file.
But that didn't get copied to /usr/local/etc/postfix which is mounted over
/etc/postfix. Once I added that file it launched successfully which appears
to have properly set up the aliases.db file so now all appears to be well.
Perhaps I'll submit a PR to update the postfix page to include copying
postfix-files to /usr/local/etc/postfix.

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Re: [qubes-users] storage occupancy on qubes os

[Ted Brenner]

We should really add a page in the docs for how to automatically add a disk
to a qube on boot. I know this was something I struggled with and there
have been multiple threads on this list asking the same question.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, decuser  wrote:

> On Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 8:38:21 PM UTC-6, Unman wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 06:40:15PM -0500, Chris Laprise wrote:
> > > On 03/09/2017 05:57 PM, evo wrote:
> > > >Hey!
> > > >
> > > >the last question for today! :D
> > > >qubes is really great, but i want to understand some things, that are
> > > >new for me.
> > > >
> > > >i don't understand the storage occupancy in Qubes OS.
> > > >
> > > >I can give the home-folder more space, but where can i understand how
> > > >much space i have already used? where can i see the whole storage
> usage?
> > > >
> > > >and how can i add new SSD to the special VM (for example "work")?
> > > >
> > > >thanks for help!
> > > >
> > >
> > > When you expand an appVM's storage, you're really changing the maximum
> > > limit. The space isn't allocated from dom0 storage until its used (and
> > > deletions will cause the space to be returned to dom0).
> > >
> > > Normal space reporting tools for Linux will show you the overall space
> and
> > > usage in dom0. For instance, I use the KDE disk space widget on my
> desktop.
> > >
> > > You can attach additional storage to a VM by right-clicking on it in
> Qubes
> > > Manager and using the attach/detach menu. Or you can use 'qvm-block'
> command
> > > in dom0. Unfortunately, Qubes doesn't have a way to permanently attach
> > > additional volumes to template-based VMs, so this always has to be done
> > > manually or via a udev script, etc.
> > >
> >
> > This isn't true - it's pretty straightforward to add volumes at boot, and
> > it can be done automatically.
> >
> > Let's say you want to add /dev/sda4 to work, and mount it at
> > /home/user/sda4. (It's ext4)
> >
> > In dom0 look at the config files in /var/lib/qubes/appvms/work.
> > copy work.conf to work2.conf
> > edit work2.conf and add a stanza in the "devices" section
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > That's enough to attach the device to the qube.
> > If you also want to have it mounted automatically you have to do some
> > configuration in the qube.
> > Start up the work qube, and create a file /rw/config/fstab
> > containing:
> > /dev/xvde /home/user/disk ext4 defaults,noatime   0 0
> >
> > And then in /rw/config/rc.local add line:
> > cat /rw/config/fstab >> /etc/fstab
> > mount -a
> >
> > Remember to chmod +x /rw/config/rc.local
> >
> > Shutdown work
> >
> > Now start work with the custom config -
> > qvm-start work --custom-config=/var/lib/qubes/appvms/work/work2.conf
> >
> > work will start up with the drive attached and it will be mounted
> > automatically.
> >
> > This is somewhat clunky - Qubes 4 will have better support for loading
> > custom configs. But configure a keyboard shortcut to that "qvm-start"
> > command and it's easy to work with.
> >
> > Note that if you start work without the custom config it will start as
> > normal without the volume attached. This may be desirable at times.
> > If you want the menu items to start with the custom configs you'll have
> > to do some editing of the relevant files: again, that's fairly
> > standard stuff.
> >
> > unman
>
> This works, but is there a way to get qubes to use the custom config
> rather than its default when rebooting qubes and autostarting the VM (or in
> the gui)?
>
> Thanks,
> Will
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Re: [qubes-users] Tip: Adding arbitrary apps to DispVM Applications menu

[Ted Brenner]

When searching Google or Duck Duck Go, the docs come up on top. So I think
putting things in the docs is a good idea. The list is nice as a fall back
but then you have to sift through a whole chain and piece together the
answer. Much better to have the final "this is how you do X" in the docs.

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Unman  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 01:34:19PM -0800, Andrew David Wong wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA512
> >
> > On 2017-03-11 09:31, Grzesiek Chodzicki wrote:
> > > How to add custom applications to DispVM appmenu:
> > >
> > > 1. Install the required app in the TemplateVM upon which your DispVM
> depends (fedora-23/24 by default)
> > > 2. Shutdown the TemplateVM
> > > 3. In Dom0 run qvm-create-default-dvm 
> > > 4. At this point your app can be launched in DispVM, to confirm launch
> Xterm in DispVM and start your app from there. Now we are going to add an
> entry for it in the Applications menu
> > > 5. Go to /usr/local/share/applications
> > > 6. Create a new .desktop file for your app using following (example)
> syntax:
> > >
> > > [Desktop Entry]
> > > Version=1.0
> > > Type=Application
> > > Exec=sh -c 'echo  | /usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm
> qubes.VMShell dom0 DEFAULT red'
> > > Icon=dispvm-red
> > > Terminal=false
> > > Name=DispVM: 
> > > GenericName=DispVM: 
> > > StartupNotify=false
> > > Categories=Network;X-Qubes-VM;
> > >
> > > 7. go to /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged
> > > 8. Edit the qubes-dispvm.menu using any editor
> > > 9. Under  add another line containing the name of your
> .desktop file (so it looks like this):
> > >
> > > 
> > > qubes-dispvm-firefox.desktop
> > > qubes-dispvm-xterm.desktop
> > > yourdesktopfilehere
> > > 
> > >
> > > 10. Your custom menu entry should appear on the Applications list now
> > >
> > > Andrew - Frankly, this should be available within the GUI, should I
> add that to Documentation and/or create a ticket?
> > >
> >
> > Please feel free to do so.
> >
> > - --
> > Andrew David Wong (Axon)
>
> It would be useful to extend it to kde users, since that is also
> currently supported.
>
> I'm not sure that this should be added to the GUI: for those who use
> multiple DVMTemplates now, (and that's coming in 4), you will have to
> customise the menu on a per DVMTemplate basis. I think there's a good
> deal to be considered first.
>
> Is this to be a tip for the docs? I think there's a danger that they are
> becoming difficult to navigate as is, despite Andrew's efforts.
> I meant to chip in on the other thread, but I would prefer to see them
> remain in the lists - the format of this one is excellent.
>
> Of course, one has to weigh up where puzzled users will look - do you
> think they search the documentation, look through the lists (we could
> link to search results with "Tip:", search the lists or just ask
> straight off.
> I don't have any feeling as to which is most likely to be found. Andrew?
>
> unman
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Re: [qubes-users] Windows 7 installation stops

[Ted Brenner]

Check out this thread.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/qubes-users/windows$20cirrus%7Csort:relevance/qubes-users/6KePeW2gIvQ/qYhr1PUvAgAJ


On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 6:10 AM,  wrote:

> Hi
> I can't install HVM with Windows 7 because the installation stops on the
> screen "Starting Windows". Before this I had installed and removed it many
> times. What can be succeeded? I have no problems with win8 or linux OS.
>
> Best
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes as primary OS? Multimedia Experience: Spotofy / Netflix / Amazon Prime / how to make it work?

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I've struggled with multimedia as well. I've just been trying to play a DVD
but not be able to get it to work. Though I think this is not a Qubes issue
so much as a Linux issue. I have an old Mac that use for this so I haven't
been highly motivated to make it work. But I'm definitely interested in
what others find as I'd like to have one computer that can solve all my
needs.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Grzesiek Chodzicki <
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> W dniu poniedziałek, 8 maja 2017 19:30:16 UTC+2 użytkownik Piit napisał:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I tried to find out what is best practise to use spotify/netflix/amazon
> > prime/... etc. with Qubes, but it seems that this is not a common
> usecase.
> >
> > The problem is, that I can't those apps ins a
> > "multimedia-windows-app-VM" as there is no sound-support for windows
> > within Qubes.
> >
> > And unfortunately Netflix & Co don't work out of the box with Linux.
> >
> > Question: How do you use Qubes with those or similar multimedia-services?
> >
> > - P.
>
> Tidal works in Chrome which does have a Linux client so I installed chrome
> and use it to listen to music.
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes as primary OS? Multimedia Experience: Spotofy / Netflix / Amazon Prime / how to make it work?

[Ted Brenner]

Yeah, I've just struggled with installing the libraries to play protected
content. The documentation for Linux doesn't seem to be very good nor very
up-to-date. But I can attach the DVD in an AppVM and I do have VLC
installed. Just can't get over the next hurdle.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Jean-Philippe Ouellet  wrote:

> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Ted Brenner  wrote:
> > I've struggled with multimedia as well. I've just been trying to play a
> DVD
> > but not be able to get it to work. Though I think this is not a Qubes
> issue
> > so much as a Linux issue. I have an old Mac that use for this so I
> haven't
> > been highly motivated to make it work. But I'm definitely interested in
> what
> > others find as I'd like to have one computer that can solve all my needs.
> >
> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Grzesiek Chodzicki
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> W dniu poniedziałek, 8 maja 2017 19:30:16 UTC+2 użytkownik Piit napisał:
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I tried to find out what is best practise to use
> spotify/netflix/amazon
> >> > prime/... etc. with Qubes, but it seems that this is not a common
> >> > usecase.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is, that I can't those apps ins a
> >> > "multimedia-windows-app-VM" as there is no sound-support for windows
> >> > within Qubes.
> >> >
> >> > And unfortunately Netflix & Co don't work out of the box with Linux.
> >> >
> >> > Question: How do you use Qubes with those or similar
> >> > multimedia-services?
> >> >
> >> > - P.
> >>
> >> Tidal works in Chrome which does have a Linux client so I installed
> chrome
> >> and use it to listen to music.
>
> DVDs should be exposed as regular block devices that you can attach to
> a media-playing VM (with VLC installed or whatever) via qvm-block [1].
>
> [1]: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/dom0-tools/qvm-block/
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes as primary OS? Multimedia Experience: Spotofy / Netflix / Amazon Prime / how to make it work?

[Ted Brenner]

Yes, my multimedia template uses Debian 8 as I had read it had good
support. But I hadn't installed the gnome-desktop or totem. I'll try that
out. Thanks!

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Chris Laprise 
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> On 05/08/2017 02:25 PM, Ted Brenner wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I've just struggled with installing the libraries to play
>> protected content. The documentation for Linux doesn't seem to be very
>> good nor very up-to-date. But I can attach the DVD in an AppVM and I do
>> have VLC installed. Just can't get over the next hurdle.
>>
>>
> Have you tried the Debian template? It has good codec support.
>
> Installation:
>
> dom0$ sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-debian-8
>
> Setup:
>
> debian$ sudo tasksel install desktop gnome-desktop
> (this will pull in programs like LibreOffice, too)
>
> debian$ sudo apt-get install vlc totem
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Q4.0 upgrade path ? Guesstimate when does it turn into "stable" ? 3) re: security advisorys, is there ever any suggestion what to do about them?

[Ted Brenner]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:23 AM, yreb-qusw  wrote:

> On 08/15/2017 05:13 PM, yreb-qusw wrote:
>
>> Q4.0 upgrade path ?  am I eventually going to have to reinstall  as Q4.0
>> or will it be 3.2  be 'upgradeable' ?
>>
>>
>> Guesstimate when does it turn into "stable" ?
>>
>>
>> 3) re: security advisorys, is there ever any suggestion what to do about
>> them?
>> .or just keep upgrading dom0  and  magically  some of them get fixed ?
>>
>>
>> seem like obvious questions to me , sorry if they are basic
>>
>
>
One of the pages
has a
schedule. I believe there are 5 weeks between release candidates with a
maximum of 3 candidates. So that would be 15 weeks before stable? RC1 was
July 31st. So stable could be November 13th at the latest? This is my best
guess.


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Re: [qubes-users] Supercookies / Zombie cookies / Web Tracking — how effective are Qubes security domains against this

[Ted Brenner]

I thought I read somewhere that VMs make it harder to fingerprint using the
CPU, graphics card, etc. Did anyone else read that? That would be a feather
in Qubes's hat if true.

Any suggestions for a good anonymizing browser (besides the Tor browser of
course)? I would assume Firefox would have the most interest in that though
perhaps not as good. Not sure if Chromium is free of Google or not.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 4:47 PM,  wrote:

> Roger that, thank you Leo so it sounds as though Qubes ought to be up to
> snuff for all contemporary ad instustry practices that Google, Facebook,
> Doubleclick etc are liable to try but that Qubes + anonymizing browser is a
> better bet against more sophisticated tracking in case that were a concern.
>
> Great news. :)
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 2:39:34 PM UTC-7, Leo Gaspard wrote:
> > On 09/18/2017 09:27 PM, jes...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Thank you Micah and Michał, but I am not actually asking about a
> standard as strong as 100% bulletproof anonymity or anything. I really am
> just concerned about whether any of the methods on that list that I linked
> to would be enough to leak cookie-like reference data between two separate
> Qubes security domains.
> >
> > Cookie-like reference data between two separate Qubes security domains
> > cannot happen. This would mean one VM is able to influence the hard disk
> > of another, which would be a vulnerability in Qubes.
> >
> > > Being tracked as I browse around *in* a given security domain is
> entirely my problem of course, and I understand that. My only concern is
> working to ensure that to an outside observer such as webservers and ad
> networks nothing short of the shared IP address (and via Tor or VPN or
> different IPs honestly allocated to different domains perhaps not even
> that) can act as a reliable indicator that web browsing activity in one
> Qubes security domain is "linked" to activity from another security domain
> via any secretly stored cookie-like reference identifiers that get somehow
> leaked across domains.
> >
> > What can however happen is things like hardware fingerprinting through
> > the browser, like CPU frequency measurements.
> >
> > Also, Qubes doesn't guarantee two VMs can't talk together, so if you
> > have at the same time a browser in two VMs in two websites they may be
> > able to talk together using such side channels (timing the cache,
> > ultra-low-level stuff like that).
> >
> > So even though supercookies and the like aren't shared in Qubes, if you
> > use an insufficiently anonymising web browser, a web site may be able to
> > fingerprint your hardware through the browser (Qubes/Xen does nothing to
> > prevent that for performance reasons), and then to link your hardware to
> > different identities you used to browse different pages in different VMs.
> >
> > I don't know of any website that would try to talk to others through
> > side-channels, but I seem to remember articles on hardware
> > fingerprinting (esp. the cpu frequency and drift, iirc) through JS from
> > a few years back, so I guess against state-of-the-art tracking systems
> > Qubes will not be enough.
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[qubes-users] installing a clean template

[Ted Brenner]

Hi all,

I'd like to install a clean version of my debian-8 template. I tried
following the instructions on this page
 but the command didn't
work. I see a message that "No Match for argument qubes-template-debian-8".
Perhaps out of date or only works if you don't already have a debian-8
template? Is there a way to create a new fresh version of the standard
templates?

The reason I ask is that I installed some non supported binaries in my
debian 8 template to support playing DVDs. I'd like to use my debian 8
template to also do email but am nervous about using the same template for
something I'd like to be secure along side something I don't expect to be
secure. Namely multimedia. Obviously I should have cloned my debian 8
template before installing the multimedia packages. Oh well.

Thanks!

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Re: [qubes-users] Windows 10 guest support (in Qubes 4.x)?

[Ted Brenner]

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 2:01 AM, '[799]' via qubes-users <
qubes-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hello Tine,
>
> >> I would like to know if there are any plans for
> >> better Windows (10) support in the
> >> upcoming 4.X version?
>
> I have the same question regarding the future strategy for windows support:
>
> - will we see Windows 10 support in Qubes 3.2?
> (Not relevant as Qubes 3.2 will become EOL)
>
> - what about windows 7 and 10 support in Qubes 4.0?
>
> With "supported" I mean that we'll have Qubes Tools available and maybe
> the option to use seamless mode.
>
> In the past I read about Windows Support for windows 8.1 which I think is
> not relevant as most people run either Windows 7 or 10.
> Looking at my customers I have not a single customer who is running
> windows 8.x (for a good reason).
>
> To Qubes Dev's
> 
> I really think the Qubes Dev-Team should be honest and transparent about
> Qubes Windows Support - maybe answering the question if they are working on
> this at all, or if Windows on Qubes is more like another project which is
> out of scope of the Qubes Dev Team as they are mainly focussing on the
> Qubes (Core) OS themselves (which I would totally understand).
>
> >> I really appreciate your work, but currently
> >> this is preventing me to use Qubes as the
> >> daily driver
>
> As you said I need to run windows for my daily workflow and would really
> like to do so in Qubes.
> I guess there are more users who work in Enterprise environments (as
> non-developers) where windows is basically the default OS where lots of
> applications are running.
> One example is that lots of my work is done on Outlook (Exchange 2016) and
> I have not been able to get this done with Linux.
>
> I think it would be good to know how many users are asking for windows on
> Qubes and maybe raise some funding so that a capable developer can work on
> this topic.
>
> [799]
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I strongly suspect there isn't any work going on as I never see replies
from qubes dev on Windows questions, and there are a lot of them. Or at
least it is tabled for now till 4.0 is done. Perhaps it would be nice to
open support of the code to the community rather than having the Qubes team
working on it exclusively?

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Re: [qubes-users] installing a clean template

[Ted Brenner]

Thanks Chris and Unman! Yes, I'm on 3.2.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Chris Laprise  wrote:

> On 11/09/2017 06:36 PM, Unman wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 09:31:21PM -0500, Ted Brenner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'd like to install a clean version of my debian-8 template. I tried
>>> following the instructions on this page
>>> <https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/debian/> but the command didn't
>>> work. I see a message that "No Match for argument
>>> qubes-template-debian-8".
>>> Perhaps out of date or only works if you don't already have a debian-8
>>> template? Is there a way to create a new fresh version of the standard
>>> templates?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that I installed some non supported binaries in my
>>> debian 8 template to support playing DVDs. I'd like to use my debian 8
>>> template to also do email but am nervous about using the same template
>>> for
>>> something I'd like to be secure along side something I don't expect to be
>>> secure. Namely multimedia. Obviously I should have cloned my debian 8
>>> template before installing the multimedia packages. Oh well.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Hi Ted
>>
>> Which Qubes version are you using?
>>
>> There's no reason why you cant reinstall a standard template.
>> If you want to keep your existing template, I suggest you clone it, and
>> then delete the template before reinstalling from the ITL repository.
>> You can also download the template from yum.qubes-os.org, copy it to
>> dom0 and install it there.
>>
>>
> If you're on Qubes 3.2, you can reinstall a template in one step:
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reinstall-template/
>
> This function doesn't work yet in R4.0.
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[qubes-users] Installing Chrome

[Ted Brenner]

There are two programs I'd like to install to make Qubes more usable.
First, I'd like to install Chrome. Second, I'd like to install Flash
(though maybe I won't need that if I'm using Chrome?). I've searched and
searched and I know that I just need to authorize the repository in my
firewall. But I'm not sure how to do that. Is there instructions for how to
install Chrome? Specifics with how to allow the repository in your
firewall? I assume something similar would need to be done for Flash?

Thanks in advance!
Ted

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome

[Ted Brenner]

Thanks for the help. Unfortunately, it didn't work. Here's what I got:

[user@fedora-21 ~]$ sudo dnf install google-chrome
Fedora 21 - x86_64  3.2 MB/s |  39 MB
00:12
Fedora 21 - x86_64 - Updates5.2 MB/s |  22 MB
00:04
Qubes OS Repository for VM (updates)313 kB/s | 769 kB
00:02
Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'google-chrome' from '
http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/i386': Cannot download
repomd.xml: Cannot download repodata/repomd.xml: All mirrors were tried,
disabling.
Using metadata from Fri Sep 30 19:00:22 2016 (0:01:40 hours old)
No package google-chrome available.
Error: no package matched: google-chrome


Here's my file:
[google-chrome]
name=google-chrome - $basearch
baseurl=http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/$basearch
enabled=1
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/google-linux_signing_key.pub
[google-chrome]
name=Google Chrome 32-bit
baseurl=http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/rpm/stable/i386

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Ted

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Andrew David Wong  wrote:

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> On 2016-09-29 18:09, Ted Brenner wrote:
> > There are two programs I'd like to install to make Qubes more usable.
> > First, I'd like to install Chrome. Second, I'd like to install Flash
> > (though maybe I won't need that if I'm using Chrome?). I've searched and
> > searched and I know that I just need to authorize the repository in my
> > firewall. But I'm not sure how to do that. Is there instructions for how
> to
> > install Chrome? Specifics with how to allow the repository in your
> > firewall? I assume something similar would need to be done for Flash?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Ted
> >
>
> Try this:
>
> 1. In your Fedora TemplateVM, edit this file:
>
>/etc/yum.repos.d/google-chrome.repo
>
> 2. Change "enabled=0" to "enabled=1".
>
> 3. Run this command:
>
>$ sudo dnf install google-chrome
>
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Re: [qubes-users] Installing Chrome

[Ted Brenner]

Ah! The problem with my file was that it specified i386 which is no longer
supported. Once I change the base url to x86_64, it worked. Thanks for the
help everyone.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:34 PM,  wrote:

> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/  chrome automatically
> has flash. I would run chrome in the untrusted vm.   chromium with apparmor
> on debian8 in the trusted one.
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: desktop recommendations?

[Ted Brenner]

What do people recommend for CPU? With running a lot of VMs, it would seem
having a lot of cores could be helpful. Is that accurate? Or is that not
really necessary?

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 4:51 PM, cooloutac  wrote:

> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 5:42:16 PM UTC-4, tai...@gmx.com wrote:
> > On 03/22/2018 10:01 PM, cooloutac wrote:
> >
> > > also just wanted to say the other reason I suggest the legacy ps2 port
> is if you plan to use usb 3.0 ports most boards route all the usb
> controllers into one when 3.0 controller (xhci) is enabled.  so you would
> need to use the usb proxy and it would not be safe using a keyboard this
> way.
> > >
> > > Although some mobos will let you manually route usb ports to specific
> controllers.   There is always two next to the ps2 port for keyboard and
> mouse on separate controller if you are fine with disabling 3.0 and don't
> want to use a ps2 adapter.
> > Telling people to use PS/2 is dangerous advice as all your keystrokes
> > are sent out via the ground wire, it is better to instead have two or
> > more physically separate USB controllers.
>
> Oh here we go again...  I"m just repeating what Joanna Rutkowska and the
> devs of this very OS you are using have advised people to do.
>
> And what if people ant to use a sys-usb and a keyboard and mouse and don't
> have two seperate usb controllers?  And I believe USB keyboard is more
> vulnerable,  then someone listening to your ground wire lmao...
> http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2011/06/usb-
> security-challenges.html again this is why the free software movement is
> never taken seriouslywow.
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