[qubes-users] Re: Announcement: Fedora 26 TemplateVM Upgrade

2018-01-09 Thread stephenatverdi
On Sunday, 7 January 2018 01:15:29 UTC+1, Andrew David Wong  wrote:
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> Dear Qubes Community,
> 
> Fedora 25 reached EOL ([end-of-life]) on 2017-12-12. We sincerely
> apologize for our failure to provide timely notice of this event. It
> is strongly recommend that all Qubes users upgrade their Fedora 25
> TemplateVMs and StandaloneVMs to Fedora 26 immediately. We provide
> step-by-step [upgrade instructions] for upgrading your existing
> TemplateVMs and StandaloneVMs in-place on both Qubes 3.2 and Qubes
> 4.0. For a complete list of TemplateVM versions supported for your
> specific version of Qubes, see [Supported TemplateVM Versions].
> 
> We also provide fresh Fedora 26 TemplateVM packages through the
> official Qubes repositories, which you can get with the following
> commands (in dom0).
> 
> Standard Fedora 26 TemplateVM:
> 
> $ sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-26
> 
> [Minimal] Fedora 26 TemplateVM:
> 
> $ sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-fedora-26-minimal
> 
> After upgrading to a Fedora 26 TemplateVM, please remember to set all
> qubes that were using the old template to use the new one. The
> instructions to do this can be found in the [upgrade instructions]
> for your specific version.
> 
> Please note that no user action is required regarding the OS version
> in dom0. If you're using Qubes 3.2 or 4.0, there is no dom0 OS
> upgrade available, since none is currently required. For details,
> please see our [Note on dom0 and EOL].
> 
> If you're using an older version of Qubes than 3.2, we strongly
> recommend that you upgrade to 3.2, as older versions are no longer
> supported.
> 
> 
> [end-of-life]: 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle#Maintenance_Schedule
> [upgrade instructions]: /doc/template/fedora/upgrade-25-to-26/
> [Supported TemplateVM Versions]: /doc/supported-versions/#templatevms
> [Minimal]: /doc/templates/fedora-minimal/
> [Note on dom0 and EOL]: /doc/supported-versions/#note-on-dom0-and-eol
> 
> This announcement is also available on the Qubes website:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2018/01/06/fedora-26-upgrade/
> 
> - -- 
> Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> Community Manager, Qubes OS
> https://www.qubes-os.org
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Thank you.

Unfortunately I know a couple of Qubes users who have switched to plain Fedora 
because of the delay.  That and the whole Meltdown/Spectre uncertainty.  I'm 
sure they'll be back after that has blown over and 4.0 has a stable release.

Keep up the good work!

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

Some news from rootkovska via Twatter:

Re the #Meltdown/#Spectre attacks:
1. Practical impact on Qubes is unclear to us ATM,
2. No advanced info has been shared with us on Xen predisclosure list, so we've 
had no time to evaluate yet,
3. Xen published XSA 254 unexpectedly last night,
4. Xen offers no patches ATM...

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

Redhat has now posted speculative execution mitigation patches.  I've no idea 
to what extent they fix all possible Spectre-like side-channel attacks.

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Re: [qubes-users] Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:39:46 UTC+1, eva...@openmailbox.org  wrote:
> 3.2 affected? When patch will be available? :(

My impression is that 3.2 isn't being patched pending 4.0, but I could be wrong 
there.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

I guess the good news is that this debacle is going to force hardware designers 
and OS developers (including Qubes) to work together on minimising the chances 
chip-level bugs like this.

Also Intel, AMD, ARM & Co. will be 'motivated' to pay attention to hardware 
virtualisation security issues.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:56:44 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> > 
> > http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> > 
> > It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite 
> > aka. FUCKWIT.
> > 
> > Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?
> 
> There is a Xen fix available here, at least to the Meltdown manifestation to 
> the chip-makers SNAFU:
> 
> https://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-254.html
> 
> This I assume will be in the 4.0 release version of Qubes.
> 
> The best explanation of the field that I can find is here: 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability/
> 
> Oder?

Or at least the Meltdown (= SP3?) parts thereof.  Against Spectre there is no 
known defence, which generally seems to break VM isolation against an attack.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

There is a Xen fix available here, at least to the Meltdown manifestation to 
the chip-makers SNAFU:

https://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-254.html

This I assume will be in the 4.0 release version of Qubes.

The best explanation of the field that I can find is here: 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability/

Oder?

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[qubes-users] Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-03 Thread stephenatverdi
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table

It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
FUCKWIT.

Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

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