Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-27 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 04/09/2019 08:53 AM, unman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 02:32:04PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> On 02/25/2019 04:02 PM, John Mitchell wrote: >>> If I may ask what OS do you use for the host? >>> >> >> Devuan, it is debian without systemd. >> >> I compile most of the related packages thou

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-10 Thread throwaway42qubesos
Le mercredi 10 avril 2019 19:59:09 UTC+2, throwaway...@gmail.com a écrit : > Le mardi 9 avril 2019 22:41:17 UTC+2, awokd a écrit : > > From Throwaway42's document: > > > > > GRUB\_CMDLINE\_LINUX=" > > > rd.qubes.hide\_pci=0a:00.0,0a:00.1 > > > modprobe=xen-pciback.passthrough=1 > > > xen-p

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-10 Thread throwaway42qubesos
Le mardi 9 avril 2019 22:41:17 UTC+2, awokd a écrit : > From Throwaway42's document: > > > GRUB\_CMDLINE\_LINUX=" > > rd.qubes.hide\_pci=0a:00.0,0a:00.1 > > modprobe=xen-pciback.passthrough=1 > > xen-pciback.permissive" > > Instead of xen-pciback.permissive on the Linux options line, coul

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
From Throwaway42's document: > GRUB\_CMDLINE\_LINUX=" > rd.qubes.hide\_pci=0a:00.0,0a:00.1 > modprobe=xen-pciback.passthrough=1 > xen-pciback.permissive" Instead of xen-pciback.permissive on the Linux options line, could you set the GPU's two PCI devices to permissive https://www.qubes-os.

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
799 wrote on 4/9/19 7:31 PM: Hello throwaway42, schrieb am Di., 9. Apr. 2019, 21:17: (...) Just for information: I have a gaming VM inside Qubes OS It is a windows 7 HVM, with a dedicated GPU. Performance are very good. I referenced some useful links here https://neowutran.ovh/qubeos.pdf N

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread John Mitchell
Hey throwaway42, Thank you for the information! I wish I had this 6 months ago when I began planning my personal VM server. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread 799
Hello throwaway42, schrieb am Di., 9. Apr. 2019, 21:17: > (...) > Just for information: > I have a gaming VM inside Qubes OS > It is a windows 7 HVM, with a dedicated GPU. > Performance are very good. > I referenced some useful links here https://neowutran.ovh/qubeos.pdf Nice write-up ... Than

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread throwaway42qubesos
Le mardi 9 avril 2019 15:29:48 UTC+2, John Mitchell a écrit : > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 2:53:25 PM UTC+2, unman wrote: > > > > > Do you run Qubes? On what hardware? > > I wanted to use Qubes however I didn't feel that my usage case would be > supported here so I opted for Xubuntu running

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread unman
On Tue, Apr 09, 2019 at 06:29:48AM -0700, John Mitchell wrote: > On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 2:53:25 PM UTC+2, unman wrote: > > > > > Do you run Qubes? On what hardware? > > I wanted to use Qubes however I didn't feel that my usage case would be > supported here so I opted for Xubuntu runnin

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread John Mitchell
On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 2:53:25 PM UTC+2, unman wrote: > Do you run Qubes? On what hardware? I wanted to use Qubes however I didn't feel that my usage case would be supported here so I opted for Xubuntu running QEMU and Virtual Machine Manager. I have it working, responding here from a

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-09 Thread unman
On Mon, Apr 08, 2019 at 02:32:04PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > On 02/25/2019 04:02 PM, John Mitchell wrote: > > If I may ask what OS do you use for the host? > > > > Devuan, it is debian without systemd. > > I compile most of the related packages though like libvirtd, qemu etc > cause the one

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-08 Thread John Mitchell
On Monday, April 8, 2019 at 8:32:09 PM UTC+2, tai...@gmx.com wrote: > On 02/25/2019 04:02 PM, John Mitchell wrote: > > If I may ask what OS do you use for the host? > > > > Devuan, it is debian without systemd. > > I compile most of the related packages though like libvirtd, qemu etc > cause the

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-04-08 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 02/25/2019 04:02 PM, John Mitchell wrote: > If I may ask what OS do you use for the host? > Devuan, it is debian without systemd. I compile most of the related packages though like libvirtd, qemu etc cause the ones from the distro are way too outdated to support what I need. You should get a

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-03-06 Thread cooloutac
On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-5, John Mitchell wrote: > If I may ask what OS do you use for the host? Guest the latest QSA answers this question somehwat lol. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from t

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-02-25 Thread John Mitchell
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-02-25 Thread taii...@gmx.com
One of the reasons I hate the qubes mailinglist is because of the large amount of people here who claim to be experts while being absolutely clueless. I max out new games in a VM on my libre firmware piledriver opteron IOMMU-GFX setup. I would say the performance is almost native and that I don't

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-01-04 Thread dimi
On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 11:19:24 AM UTC+2, John Mitchell wrote: > > > > I don't need a core sample of the moon to know that it isn't made of green > > cheese. Doesn't matter what the videos showed. There are lots of videos > > that "prove" and impossible claim. If you want to believe

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2019-01-01 Thread John Mitchell
> I don't need a core sample of the moon to know that it isn't made of green > cheese. Doesn't matter what the videos showed. There are lots of videos > that "prove" and impossible claim. If you want to believe that, it's > completely up to you. > > VMs have longer code paths than native.

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-31 Thread John Smiley
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 1:07:32 AM UTC-8, John Mitchell wrote: > On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 9:34:58 AM UTC+1, John Smiley wrote: > > No. I knew exactly what you were talking about. That’s okay. You just keep > > on with your mind in neutral. I won’t waste time n a closed mind. > > J

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-30 Thread John Mitchell
On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 9:34:58 AM UTC+1, John Smiley wrote: > No. I knew exactly what you were talking about. That’s okay. You just keep > on with your mind in neutral. I won’t waste time n a closed mind. John, You never commented on the videos that show gaming working in a VM so I am

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-30 Thread John Smiley
No. I knew exactly what you were talking about. That’s okay. You just keep on with your mind in neutral. I won’t waste time n a closed mind. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving ema

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-29 Thread John Mitchell
On Friday, December 28, 2018 at 11:57:00 PM UTC+1, John Smiley wrote: > Sorry, you are woefully misinformed. I have been on the design teams for two > well known clouds. You can disprove your assertion with a simple test. Hi John, I believe we are talking about two different things. I was refer

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-28 Thread John Smiley
Sorry, you are woefully misinformed. I have been on the design teams for two well known clouds. You can disprove your assertion with a simple test. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivin

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-28 Thread John Mitchell
Poor gaming performance in a VM is a myth. This may have been true several years ago however it is no longer true with KVM. XEN needs to step up their game. Here are two videos that will show you what I am referring too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcxPufSRNo https://www.youtube.com/wat

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-27 Thread John Smiley
On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 1:02:05 PM UTC-8, qubenix wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Zrubi: > > On 12/23/18 9:34 PM, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > >> Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS. However, they > >> are also a gamer: if they could not have a Window

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-27 Thread John Smiley
If your friend is just poking around with Qubes and doesn't have anything on the gaming box that needs protecting, I say go with dual boot. That's what I did. Running games from within a Xen VM is going to suck performance-wise compared to running naively from Win10. If he *does* have things

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-25 Thread qubenix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Zrubi: > On 12/23/18 9:34 PM, Demi M. Obenour wrote: >> Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS. However, they >> are also a gamer: if they could not have a Windows VM with access >> to a dedicated graphics card for use by games, then QubesOS

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-25 Thread John Mitchell
On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 1:52:53 PM UTC+1, Hugo Costa wrote: > On Sunday, 23 December 2018 20:34:48 UTC, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > > Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS.  However, they are also a > > gamer: if they could not have a Windows VM with access to a dedicated > > graphics

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-24 Thread Hugo Costa
On Sunday, 23 December 2018 20:34:48 UTC, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS.  However, they are also a > gamer: if they could not have a Windows VM with access to a dedicated > graphics card for use by games, then QubesOS is not an option for them. > > How ris

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-24 Thread John Mitchell
On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 9:34:48 PM UTC+1, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS.  However, they are also a > gamer: if they could not have a Windows VM with access to a dedicated > graphics card for use by games, then QubesOS is not an option for them. > >

Re: [qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-23 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
Zrubi: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/23/18 9:34 PM, Demi M. Obenour wrote: Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS. However, they are also a gamer: if they could not have a Windows VM with access to a dedicated graphics card for use by games, then QubesOS is not a

[qubes-users] Re: How risky is GPU pass-through?

2018-12-23 Thread Zrubi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/23/18 9:34 PM, Demi M. Obenour wrote: > Someone I know is interested in using QubesOS. However, they are > also a gamer: if they could not have a Windows VM with access to a > dedicated graphics card for use by games, then QubesOS is not an >