kitchm via Forum:
The discussion includes the fine points about the legality
of keeping the information of a mailing list on one's own
computer for searching or referencing, or whatever some have
thought it useful for. Obviously not a good idea for the
security reasons stated. (I might add
Sorry JRG, I also wanted to post my response here as well:
Right you are. The authors are Alan F. Westin and Michael
A. Baker. It came out in paperback in 1972, according to
Amazon.
I think that maybe there was also the lack of accuracy in
the records because the powers that be often required
Don't worry snowflakes, I'm here to help you and you are
welcome.
This is a post about why one should use a mailing list. The
answer is that they should not. The many reasons for not so
doing have been well addressed by the thoughtful comments of
most and those are right on point. Thanks
On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 06:31:01 -0800 (PST)
billol...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 11:36:12 AM UTC-5, unman wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 10:15:54AM -0600, John Goold wrote:
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On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 11:36:12 AM UTC-5, unman wrote:
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> > >> It is
Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2019, 11:34 -0500 schrieb kitchm via Forum:
> So did you not read Stuart's post where he states "My
> current client has a court order to NEVER delete another
> e-mail"?
So you don't know the difference between a court order and a law?
> Have you not read books by experts
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On 2/6/19 1:52 PM, kit...@tutanota.com wrote:
> Yeah, good buddy, we are all making the same assumptions. Knowing
> about the extent the Five Eyes will go to gather your personal
> information makes two points; one is that if they do it, they must
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>> 2/6/19 1:12 AM, 'awokd' via
On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 12:51:04PM -0600, John Goold wrote:
> It's an interesting discussion.
yes, but it's also entirely off-topic for this list. please stop it.
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On 2/6/19 10:36 AM, unman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 10:15:54AM -0600, John Goold wrote: On
> 2/6/19 1:12 AM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
kitchm via Forum:
> ...
> It is currently illegal by federal law to clear your
>
On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 11:34:57AM -0500, kitchm via Forum wrote:
> [...] BTW, you are certainly not polite,
> but you are obviously such a whiner since you continue to
> whine about me and make this personal.
can you all please stop your ad-hominem attacks and off-topic
discussions and keep
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> On 2/6/19 1:12 AM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> > kitchm via Forum:
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> >> It is currently illegal by federal law to clear your browser
> >> history.
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> > Cite?
>
It is called a Trump-ism. Believing that whatever one says
is truth.
So did you not read Stuart's post where he states "My
current client has a court order to NEVER delete another
e-mail"? Have you not read about the Boston Bomber case?
Have you not read books by experts such as Kevin Mitnick?
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On 2/6/19 1:12 AM, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> kitchm via Forum:
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>> It is currently illegal by federal law to clear your browser
>> history.
>
> Cite?
What one does with one's browser history, even assuming one's browser
has a browser
On Tue, 05 Feb 2019 13:34:04 -0500
kitchm via Forum wrote:
>Some comments based on what has been posted so far:
>...
> It is currently illegal by
>federal law to clear your browser history.
>...
Illegal for who? Perhaps a Federal employee...on a work computer.
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Am Dienstag, den 05.02.2019, 13:34 -0500 schrieb kitchm via Forum:
> - Google is never a secure option.
And so what? This is a public mailing list with very little
requirements.
> - No one has ever explained how to archive on a local
> computer.
Yeah, well, learn to use the tools you are
Am Dienstag, den 05.02.2019, 13:32 -0500 schrieb kitchm via Forum:
> @Achim Patzner - noses, Google groups is not intuitive by
> any standard.
So what? Stop being an entitled whiner and learn to use the tools that
are available instead of demanding the world to rotate around you.
> if you truly
kitchm via Forum:
- Prohibiting top posting is a bad idea because we don't do
that with the e-mail standard.
Email doesn't follow the standard. See
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 3.1.1.
- "However, a Google account is required in order to post
through the web interfaces." You cannot
@Achim Patzner - noses, Google groups is not intuitive by
any standard. That is a simple fact. And frankly, I don't
understand why you and unman are being just a little too
negative and accusatory. This is a good discussion and it
hits on many parts of the mailing list problem. No one is
Some comments based on what has been posted so far:
- Google is never a secure option.
- No one has ever explained how to archive on a local
computer.
- Prohibiting top posting is a bad idea because we don't do
that with the e-mail standard.
- There is nothing wrong with the fact that busy
Am Freitag, den 01.02.2019, 16:24 -0500 schrieb kitchm:
> Personal beliefs mean little when people are crying out for
> help. If something can be proven to be intuitive, then
> speak up, or else hold your tongue. The bottom line remains
> that it provably does not work at this point in time.
marmot-te wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 23:32
> hi here,
>
> I understand that list mail is pretty useful,
>
> but ... come on, this is not really common
> user-friendly
> example 1 : I cannot know what it be said before I
> subscribe to it
> example 2 : I know some users of Qubes than who don't
@marmot-te
I couldn't agree more. I have never seen such a poor
support forum example (and I've seen and used a ton of
them). To add insult to injury, we are forced to use one of
the worst company's services when it comes to privacy.
Lack of intuitive design and poor interface makes the whole
On Fri, 01 Feb 2019 16:24:22 -0500
kitchm wrote:
> I think that it is far more helpful for someone who has
> actually done it to clearly and carefully explain the steps
> involved to use the mail list (or google group postings or
> whatever you call them) in Thunderbird and other e-mail
>
I think that it is far more helpful for someone who has
actually done it to clearly and carefully explain the steps
involved to use the mail list (or google group postings or
whatever you call them) in Thunderbird and other e-mail
clients, as well as Firefox and other web browsers or within
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 09:47:33PM -0500, kitchm wrote:
> The basic concept here is clarify what is being discussed.
> There appears to be two things; one is how a mail-list works
> and the other is how a mail-list is not as good as a forum.
>
> Being able to retrieve old e-mails assumes one has
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:39:42PM -0500, Eric wrote:
> What is all the fuss about? I am replying here from the
> Qubes user forum that is integrated into the mailing list
> since October last year. A link to this thread:
> https://qubes-os.info/index.php?t=msg=650=0;
> This forum is currently
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 9:47:37 PM UTC-5, kitchm wrote:
> The basic concept here is clarify what is being discussed.
> There appears to be two things; one is how a mail-list works
> and the other is how a mail-list is not as good as a forum.
> [snip]
Maybe I'm not getting something
What is all the fuss about? I am replying here from the
Qubes user forum that is integrated into the mailing list
since October last year. A link to this thread:
https://qubes-os.info/index.php?t=msg=650=0;
This forum is currently unofficial but seems to work fine.
Only has a few months worth of
The basic concept here is clarify what is being discussed.
There appears to be two things; one is how a mail-list works
and the other is how a mail-list is not as good as a forum.
Being able to retrieve old e-mails assumes one has a mail
store. Either one keeps them on their own computer by
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:52:31 -0500
kitchm wrote:
>The problem is more fundamental.
>
>In all things, we need to seek more commonality and
>simplicity in our lives. In computer related issues, I have
>found over the years that people who do not understand how
>things work (thanks to the poor
The problem is more fundamental.
In all things, we need to seek more commonality and
simplicity in our lives. In computer related issues, I have
found over the years that people who do not understand how
things work (thanks to the poor educational systems) simply
like to add more complexity
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