Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2017-07-20 19:27, Andrew David Wong wrote: > Dear Qubes Community, > > We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the > community who would like to be moderators in the unofficial Qubes > IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). We'd like to > have at least two unrelated moderators who can oversee both > channels. If you're interested, please let us know. > Thank you to everyone who expressed interest in these positions. Our IRC moderators will be Jean-Philippe Ouellet, Holger Levsen, and HW42 (as a backup mod due to limited availability). We're now in the process of receiving control of the channels and assigning moderator privileges. You should begin to see improvement in the quality of these channels very soon. - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZhhpzAAoJENtN07w5UDAwOqQP/1ZS8fhLoG6lLahc0r1o2Nii sNWFDzsYeZRd10TgEUDAmj7vs1Cd4Muq7ThPlnwflQYZlQPmiGKeg49mEUO50GOW vYRoTleH5WqUOGcsoYXSgcwrkr5SWIt/YTSe3aR/WcsN7u7xjoicg3vWKLFn4aNU Ki3Eec5o9Txt0eotik3DzFhUipM7UaHzT+HhHV8sbF/YZpS0Wj40HobAHUsol70v OURYftdp6tavo2IyhN6FyUG9+fJntr6v1Z4Q5D0eFo0nS+sKd4RAAW1p+CvwkhDv yIQxnX9tAkAvWtq9PJx3NoQet4SuKdBg5KSM67NedhWSN7mNQzZDrix7CvqnDXH4 b8NypwVIGE9n2vvYEu1i2mpskNYoHcHsMruUcYXFf0/VAhRw0qoxy3h8L+tILkDP xjK9kE03o8kAvs8KE9OggRe8P+0q51IZ09P56N+b+vf+c80CX8NkP1FY9eWcW35A Wviv5xXwiz1CUmpRpJDIHd5yP7PJ8PJkRTZ2JaCOa2WoF25hXVzrz8erNGyg9kbF R70/0xOkXIeF9tvcDCVfC9Q7smAyKXW3bO0m9JUDVqni8Xl2hAtOPaXH0JCK5pZ4 yuET8v8s0WwnpkTPkqHlZyHvagVzPoS0hC7GYPoTqcGGHv0e6RGcxqhfHBJ1ew9j X1POcygQ/uhBZSsu8W/Q =o9sg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0416bc61-0512-ec01-ed0e-a217a635f61e%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/20/2017 07:27 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote: > Dear Qubes Community, > > We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the > community who would like to be moderators in the unofficial Qubes > IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). We'd like to > have at least two unrelated moderators who can oversee both > channels. If you're interested, please let us know. > > Best, Andrew > > I'm always lurking in the Freenode #qubes, I'd be happy to be a moderato r. - -- kulinacs -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEPL+ie5e8l/3OecVUuXLc0JPgMlYFAll/fr8ACgkQuXLc0JPg MlYXLw//QtqB0NyvPLScIus5pZf7/93HiOkt7PJhnaqg0ENInvXkeXhJQg0bAJEA KxjdpggoxhwwsChxh4T1aq5f/YkeP5XDZhKAEeY4W/GElzTjFWgM7GSdlPb9bejS R7AOlwmtD+z0epdOHxQUb9ZWFyM0yJ9uEN/HP4tlDAqh0TrGxrWQQvoKYVagCXos bHCWcr0ynGYcRnAB//ABhRAcitGwBpyCfWgJc4fyR2sppmu6qVf5/drKC2eeJ605 H8c/RQThDuymj3W9vssYz5eLHsYYqugOJWwhCxjBIQ0bmwAmoQAH4EoVo0OoHV+T yZojBFtTnuNB+/Tf3NlOnYs8sNXmcTVoCLDt7mHYM+8mpLc2+6xCTK+K30wNjXla eveHEVjE81sxgqUhQGuh2C5jojrEReEGtPS5VAYPYVGh5kCbHarrK/XyuI9oGY98 y36H1+ViFBUdvWo5zvmA/qd/YwmRvFDULC+dFijzp6BXjEnMe9RP2D3taSHN34fB RADfhcM16GLwem14ROw9oRk8FhR8BECXYMwRmr0fqP8rH6bkGLQXswioeXKGPQdZ cJA73oyNvgiKByA7SaZdkKFJtUoPMzBGPw//kVpOWJavfkvYwZJsaG/SbvSq03ZI NBHn0qeveaMYB9Qg26HnEKcMGgFxdY2RNTnVMpGFSqrXTMmMFV4= =Alcw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/7bebf087-cb13-8113-a35c-d3ec4edba2f4%40kulinacs.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 8:58:30 AM UTC-4, Noor Christensen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:00:37PM -0700, cooloutac wrote: > > sounds like a waste of time, freenode is an abandoned cesspool. If > > you care about your security you wouldn't even be using it.The > > google mailing list is great though, because it already deters the > > deplorables... > > Well, it has three times more users than the OFTC channel and lots of > discussion daily. > > Your argument about security makes no sense, care to elaborate on that? > > Also, I think an IRC channel serves a different purpose than the mailing > list. The list is perfect for a threaded and archivable history of > lengthy topics, whereas the channel is better suited for ad hoc > questions and beginner questions that often are repeated. > > Additionally, as said earlier in the thread, the plan is not to replace > the list. We're discussing how to take better care of those users that > already use IRC and prefer to get help there. Most of the time we refer > these users to the mailing list anyway; for example if they got > questions or opinions that already has a thread on the list. > > -- noor > > |_|O|_| > |_|_|O| Noor Christensen > |O|O|O| n...@fripost.org ~ 0x401DA1E0 I go into freenode channels to ask advice and then do the opposite. Just did that recently in ##hardware to learn what not to buy, by seeing what most of them recommended, and built a nice rig last week. haha. I did that when I built my qubes machine too. When i'm bored I go on irc to give extremely simple solutions, promote security best practices and programs, which is my way of trolling most of them for detracting such things. But yes the protocols and network infrastructure is insecure, but so are the people lmao... I would stay away from it for the same reasons people stay away from bad neighborhoods. You just don't want to be on their radar. Its why I was so adamant Qubes team keeping the google groups forums. It alone deters deplorables and requires little moderation, and less risk to users. Because predators prefer to attack whats weakest and most exposed, and Cockroaches stay under rocks and in shadows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/cd352452-8bea-473f-acca-833d7f7197fb%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:00:37PM -0700, cooloutac wrote: > sounds like a waste of time, freenode is an abandoned cesspool. If > you care about your security you wouldn't even be using it.The > google mailing list is great though, because it already deters the > deplorables... Well, it has three times more users than the OFTC channel and lots of discussion daily. Your argument about security makes no sense, care to elaborate on that? Also, I think an IRC channel serves a different purpose than the mailing list. The list is perfect for a threaded and archivable history of lengthy topics, whereas the channel is better suited for ad hoc questions and beginner questions that often are repeated. Additionally, as said earlier in the thread, the plan is not to replace the list. We're discussing how to take better care of those users that already use IRC and prefer to get help there. Most of the time we refer these users to the mailing list anyway; for example if they got questions or opinions that already has a thread on the list. -- noor |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Noor Christensen |O|O|O| n...@fripost.org ~ 0x401DA1E0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20170728125025.d2q2lghvxzzslizc%40mail. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
> Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc. That"s just my > opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode serious for > over 10 years. It should stay unofficial. Not to knock what you're saying, but I think it's important for us to draw a distinction as a community between the infrastructure being potentially dangerous (which is the approach taken by ITL to the google list, the hosting services etc) with clear suggested mitigating actions for the end user to take (use GPG email, verify your ISO download etc) and the possibility that there are malicious individuals present on a medium wanting to do naive users harm (which seems on its face to be an argument towards moderating the IRC channels). Neither seem to be solved problems for IRC. We're in the difficult position of most other Linux distributions maintaining a freenode / IRC presence and advertising this [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] i.e. it's semi expected there will be some semi respectable community members idling. A very interesting point here is it's taken as a given that people understand that you should take advice on IRC at your own risk, and not explicitly stated anywhere by any of those distros. I don't think we should assume this is common knowledge for our user base, which I would argue is made up of very technically minded users, as well as users with other motivations (security, privacy) without much in the way of technical knowledge. Either camp may bowl up to the #qubes channel. If we think this is a bad idea™ I think we ought to clearly state so and why on the website. I can't immediately see on the website if anything is said of IRC, I thought the unofficial channel had been moved to OFTC for better tor support but I don't immediately see a mention of that. > I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc client > or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are criminals or > spammers who want to exploit you or the network. Yes definitely easier, but a lot of people want to hang around and immerse themselves in community chat to learn, or to be part of that community. We shouldn't underestimate the number of people out there who outright hate the mailing list format, or even web forums. I do think live chat helps a community attract people who can be helpful to it. > Freenode and its communities are the sole reason Linux is unpopular. Be interested to know more about what you mean by this? > Its one of the most dangerous places to connect to, besides online games, > some porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it was > hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot, but they were not that far off. > Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them, > (although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont" work) > Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter. Again we seem to be running up against the common knowledge problem. On my own (out dated) experience the risks associated with IRC were 1) the client being vulnerable to attack (shoutouts to mirc [6], xchat [7]) and 2) exposure of your internet facing IP address. Generally (showing my age) bouncers were used for the latter and I guess (not used IRC in 5 years) connection these days would be through whonix (who even on their wiki have a footer that says "bored? join us in IRC chat"). Where IRC seems to be a bad idea, is in the fact that you can't easily get a bouncer anonymously and IRC networks supporting TOR connections is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation for them. My ultimate feelings (and the reason I've never joined a #qubes IRC channel to date) and why I sort of agree with you are summed up in https://phabricator.whonix.org/T361 which links to the associated Tor and Qubes tickets. Slack I've never used, but am put off by the fact it's proprietary. As a major factor in having an IRC channel is "users expect it because it's what other distros do" this raises the question do other distros have slack channels? I probably agree more with Jean-Philippe (when in Rome...) you mention Matrix, looks interesting, is there a good primer anywhere on how it solves the IRC problems discussed in the whonix and tor tickets? (yes, being lazy, sorry...) Disclaimer of interest = spent unhealthy proportion of teenage years running gaming IRC channels, suffering with bad case of nostalgia. [[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList](https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList) [2] https://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/support/irc/ [3] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [4] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_channel [5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC [6] https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-189/product_id-325/Khaled-Mardam-bey-Mirc.html [7] https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-552/Xchat.html -- You recei
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Franz <169...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:13 PM, cooloutac wrote: >> >> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-4, PR wrote: >> > Hello >> > >> > >> > >> > Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen" >> > : >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so >> > >> > since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of >> > >> > communication. >> > >> > >> > >> > Agreed, Mailinglist and Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers. >> > The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for >> > beginners, adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the >> > documentation). >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask >> > for help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to >> > >> > introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or >> > >> > answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion. >> > >> > >> > >> > If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on >> > the website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies. >> > >> > >> > - PhR >> >> Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc. That's just >> my opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode serious >> for over 10 years. It should stay unofficial. >> >> I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc >> client or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are criminals >> or spammers who want to exploit you or the network. No moderator can help, >> freenode can't even protect themselves. The wolves bully that hen house. >> Any IRC channel should stay unofficial imo. Freenode and its communities >> are the sole reason Linux is unpopular. Its a ghost town full of idle bots >> for a reason. >> >> Its one of the most dangerous places to connect to, besides online games, >> some porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it >> was hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot, but they were not that far >> off. >> >> Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them, >> (although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont' work) >> Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter. >> > > Well it seems that all groups are using Slack now. It is easy to use and > works well. Have a look. > Best > Fran If you're going to use not-IRC, then there is already a matrix [1] group for Qubes. Matrix is a decentralized "secure" (whatever that really means) alternative to Slack, and it's already picked up some momentum. The matrix group is also bridged with the #qubes_os channels on freenode and OFTC. Personally, I think IRC's status as the de-facto chat protocol for similar communities warrants having a presence there (since people *do* regularly come there with questions), so I'll continue to idle there and am happy to volunteer as a chanop if the Qubes team wants. Regards, Jean-Philippe [1]: https://matrix.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CABQWM_Bi988_81sZFknJ1QruYbsE0xZu9gRwvUE44id3fbqoGQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:13 PM, cooloutac wrote: > On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-4, PR wrote: > > Hello > > > > > > > > Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen" < > kchr+qub...@fripost.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so > > > > since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of > > > > communication. > > > > > > > > Agreed, Mailinglist and Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers. > > The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for > beginners, adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the > documentation). > > > > > > > > > > People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask > for help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to > > > > introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or > > > > answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion. > > > > > > > > If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on > the website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies. > > > > > > - PhR > > Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc. That's just > my opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode > serious for over 10 years. It should stay unofficial. > > I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc > client or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are > criminals or spammers who want to exploit you or the network. No moderator > can help, freenode can't even protect themselves. The wolves bully that > hen house. Any IRC channel should stay unofficial imo. Freenode and its > communities are the sole reason Linux is unpopular. Its a ghost town full > of idle bots for a reason. > > Its one of the most dangerous places to connect to, besides online games, > some porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it > was hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot, but they were not that > far off. > > Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them, > (although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont' work) > Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter. > > Well it seems that all groups are using Slack now. It is easy to use and works well. Have a look. Best Fran > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > msgid/qubes-users/b8647c82-8a47-4539-a88d-0046be8bc9ba%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAPzH-qA-%2BSEYjuDLdxzdw_KGqZTAK-N502Jb%3DHuJQ5SuXYL%2BhQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:35 PM UTC-4, PR wrote: > Hello > > > > Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen" : > > > > > > > > The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so > > since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of > > communication. > > > > Agreed, Mailinglist and Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers. > The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for beginners, > adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the documentation). > > > > > People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask for > help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to > > introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or > > answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion. > > > > If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on the > website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies. > > > - PhR Qubes should not associate themselves with freenode or irc. That's just my opinion. Nobody with self respect or integrity has taken freenode serious for over 10 years. It should stay unofficial. I think google forums are a lot easier to use then installing some irc client or connecting to a webchat, where the only people there are criminals or spammers who want to exploit you or the network. No moderator can help, freenode can't even protect themselves. The wolves bully that hen house. Any IRC channel should stay unofficial imo. Freenode and its communities are the sole reason Linux is unpopular. Its a ghost town full of idle bots for a reason. Its one of the most dangerous places to connect to, besides online games, some porn sites, and darknet sites like silk road. I mean come on, it was hilarious how it was portrayed on Mr. Robot, but they were not that far off. Even though they brought back tor support, which is a catch22 for them, (although you would need a special tor setup, standard setups dont' work) Recommending people go to freenode is like leading sheeps to slaughter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/b8647c82-8a47-4539-a88d-0046be8bc9ba%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
sounds like a waste of time, freenode is an abandoned cesspool. If you care about your security you wouldn't even be using it.The google mailing list is great though, because it already deters the deplorables... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/d939c708-1c4a-4787-abe3-be8e74f0fe5a%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
i regulary open this channel since it was small in traffic volume. If I'm not late already I'd like to help. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Andrew David Wong wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Dear Qubes Community, > > We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the > community who would like to be moderators in the unofficial Qubes IRC > channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). We'd like to have at > least two unrelated moderators who can oversee both channels. If > you're interested, please let us know. > > Best, > Andrew > > - -- > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > Community Manager, Qubes OS > https://www.qubes-os.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZcUp0AAoJENtN07w5UDAw5XUP/jVeN7dxhqy8HRl4ciM45as4 > RuSQfVGF98p0L3VURaxZ9UOOKLzecZs4WOSRrfwjnPeL6HuzlB/XEQPMYGNytSCX > 3QJMhmyuAqePLUv3wHTLKpE2urrLWRpqtbKxY91AeDU4FiSQBlToxw5kzpfsKZ2B > iphdfuIklB2xxC+E6U27uB6eLm5Z2DMro9O6Pgt08EPrR+MckeU932XAZgjJQzaP > CCRzBtrewtfpgw8MFGLtd4Nv/mFEsYcL9XEiRHdYwJ1XIkL3uC0Mox+7qkDSOhW4 > AITF5NUFGjZYcmNIpuo6sWan3w4X+Y53KFmCR7xUi1iZbi0vhsBnzq2dB85lR4SY > 7a972fvGusl4ZAdv1LpW70s2ZQzFRQqGdGdud1psSrB62IEQox1QRrJT50prqHAN > xXvakzBffx/5kKjU4YG4ngZCk+Y3bt3wNvrsJIdQfz1R0qzBblNzC8ebG/MXp+Yx > V3v2oex1KprR8IPqAx3BpTd204oTdhOvGhlczNfGj1M4Eh7wcDWlQM+0CT4wfAt8 > 3v8sD5Iwgp5cAii62q1HHjomT7NxUUZf/xmox+NOMOLxfZKl/mYpciFR/K9nzFVw > aO7G2fkjMSBmgVaH7Kmo+hmNA8N/vbyXt9/lOw9FSkcAtHmtgaIK6pDcjTZVxcz/ > KqB25JSGN4vNlHfjYgUx > =nokq > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/8ca4d6e6-dcc5-5080-651c-e5f78a489dd4%40qubes-os.org. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Bye.Olli. gpg --search-keys grey_olli , use key w/ fingerprint below: Key fingerprint = 9901 6808 768C 8B89 544C 9BE0 49F9 5A46 2B98 147E Blog keys (the blog is mostly in Russian): http://grey-olli.livejournal.com/tag/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CABunX6NGJd8PJ%3DpTiJLPuRecTvddtAGuN1%3DcwNnqbHHA0uMUrw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
Hello Am 21.07.2017 9:39 vorm. schrieb "Noor Christensen" < kchr+qubes-us...@fripost.org>: The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of communication. Agreed, Mailinglist and Qubes Docu are perfect to look for answers. The only (maybe) missing part would be a quick start guide for beginners, adressing the most relevant tasks (referencing to the documentation). People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask for help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion. If there is an IRC channel, I think it should be clearly mentioned on the website as asking via IRC might be a lower barrier for newbies. - PhR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAM8xnvLb0hjBgA7nmN3wS8b1XiR9oyg6Qz8MWT_3AD7tO_xhzw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 03:04:16AM -0400, 'P R' via qubes-users wrote: > Hello David, > > >> We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the > >> community who would like to be > >> moderators in the unofficial Qubes IRC > >> channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). > > Am 21.07.2017 2:28 vorm. schrieb "Andrew David Wong" : > > We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the > community who would like to be moderators in the unofficial Qubes IRC > channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). > > > As mentioned before I am happy to help, but some more details about what > exactly must/should be done would be helpful including an information to > which users the IRC channel is mainly aimed at. > What is the strategy of having IRC available as the good thing with the > mailing list is, that most topics have been raised already once and as such > extends the excellent Qubes documentation. The IRC channels are unofficial, and should probably continue to be so since we already have the mailing lists as our official means of communication. That being said, I would be glad to help out as a moderator. People will continue joining the #qubes channel (or another one) and ask for help, no matter if we are there or not. I think it's a great way to introduce new users to the project and point users with questions or answers to the offical docs and lists for further discussion. Mailing lists are not for everyone, but we can at least make sure that our IRC visitors know where to look by being reachable in the channel. -- noor |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Noor Christensen |O|O|O| n...@fripost.org ~ 0x401DA1E0 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20170721073920.dt7ovgibqekimedr%40mail. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [qubes-users] Seeking moderators for unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC
Hello David, >> We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the >> community who would like to be >> moderators in the unofficial Qubes IRC >> channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). Am 21.07.2017 2:28 vorm. schrieb "Andrew David Wong" : We're looking for well-known, trustworthy volunteers from the community who would like to be moderators in the unofficial Qubes IRC channels on Freenode and OFTC (#qubes on both). As mentioned before I am happy to help, but some more details about what exactly must/should be done would be helpful including an information to which users the IRC channel is mainly aimed at. What is the strategy of having IRC available as the good thing with the mailing list is, that most topics have been raised already once and as such extends the excellent Qubes documentation. Regards - PhR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAM8xnvJNXH2uaDFrnuVxG%2BE_DMD9EteZn%2B%3D3%2BQu3jeTaTSd5Bg%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
