Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread David J Taylor
Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Well, thankfully it was a complete non-event here: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/ntp-events.htm#2008-12-31 My thanks

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: [] OK, the leap second passed. My one ntp machine handled it fine. Same here - a non-event so my thanks to all those who designed and coded correctly. Here is the output from my GPS 18LVC. [] That's most interesting, Bill. I've added it to my Web page:

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Hans Jørgen Jakobsen
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:13:51 GMT, lguzm...@mercurio.cl wrote: Dear all I am writing an article about the leap second of this year. Do you know how companies or people can synchronized their time with the new one? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/31/zune_death/ claims that zune are

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Sam Nelson
In article slrnglpbkr.11et@freesbee.wheel.dk, h...@wheel.dk says... On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:13:51 GMT, lguzm...@mercurio.cl wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/31/zune_death/ claims that zune are locking up due to leap second. No such claim appears to be made there. The problem

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Hans Jørgen Jakobsen
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:15:22 -, Sam Nelson wrote: In article slrnglpbkr.11et@freesbee.wheel.dk, h...@wheel.dk says... On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:13:51 GMT, lguzm...@mercurio.cl wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/31/zune_death/ claims that zune are locking up due to leap second.

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Hans Jørgen Jakobsen
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:06:04 GMT, Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Here are clockstats log around the (non-)event. 54831 86388.033 127.127.26.0 scpi

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread George R . Kasica
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:49:22 -0800 (PST), givemeafckingacctyoudou...@gmail.com wrote: George, You're experiencing the exact same problem as I am. I'll probably make a more detailed thread in this group describing it later, but basically the programs trying to match the NMEA data with the PPS pin

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread George R . Kasica
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:42:18 GMT, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk wrote: George R. Kasica wrote: [] I'd be happy to put it in here, but doing so with the Fedora Core 9 RPM based code is not something I'm familiar with. I understand that perfectly.

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread George R . Kasica
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 07:43:13 GMT, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk wrote: Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-)

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread David J Taylor
George R. Kasica wrote: [] What sort of weather info do you process? Here is map and forecast generation and storage, serving out over web, data collection locally, EMWIN data collection and retransmission, and a couple bigger web sites. Essentially - anything which is sent out over the

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp in VM cannot synchronize

2009-01-01 Thread George R . Kasica
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:21:33 +, David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.co.uk.invalid wrote: TopCut GmbH / Ludwig Öfele wrote: Hello everybody! I am using a debian (testing) linux on a virtual machine of VMWare (in a linux host). I found, that the time in the VM was awfully wrong and hoped

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Laws, Peter C. wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? I was amused that WWV announced that it was *going to* happen in the 4th minute ... after the insertion. :-) Well, thankfully it was a

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: [] Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any specific references? I haven't looked at the source code, but I would have thought that ntp.c sounded like a

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Unruh wrote: [] OK, the leap second passed. My one ntp machine handled it fine. Same here - a non-event so my thanks to all those who designed and coded correctly. Here is the output from my GPS 18LVC. []

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:25 GMT, Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:20:45 GMT, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk wrote: Unruh wrote:

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Sam Nelson
In article mg67l.646$db2@edtnps83, unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca says... Hans =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen?= Jakobsen h...@wheel.dk writes: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:15:22 -, Sam Nelson wrote: In article slrnglpbkr.11et@freesbee.wheel.dk, h...@wheel.dk says... On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:13:51

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Unruh wrote: Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. One of mine did; I have two Debian Lenny boxes. Kernel 2.6.26-1-486 on a AMD Athlon, and 2.6.26-1-686 on Core 2 Quad. Both are based on Linux

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread Evandro Menezes
On Dec 31 2008, 8:49 pm, givemeafckingacctyoudou...@gmail.com wrote: So, basically I'm manually adjusting the nmea second reading forward by 1. The SHM(0) gps is still fudged to account for normal lag w/ the time given on qnan. Here's my conf with the modified gpsd: #Garmin GPS 18x LVC 0

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp in VM cannot synchronize

2009-01-01 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-01-01, George R Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com wrote: WE run over 150 VMs under unix/linux where I work and about 20 ESX servers (its actually my day job) so I might be able to help you. [snip: ESX configuration example] I've added this to

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Evandro Menezes
After 30min from the leap second, I checked my NTP client box and found something interesting. It had 5 pool servers configured, but one of them was unreachable, so it effectively had only four to work with. Two of these ran old versions of NTP (4.1.1) and probably were not aware of the leap

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Hal Murray
Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. 2 of mine locked up. They were running 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 1 worked. It was running 2.6.23. Does anybody have any details on the bug or it's fix? -- These are my

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Evandro Menezes
Here's the culprit: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/209.132.176.4 I'm happy that the pool can weed these guys out. Now, if only NTP would query the IP periodically at certain events, such as when coming back from stand by, when a server is a frequent false ticker or unreachable...

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca said: Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. I had one Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 box lock up. However, I have a half dozen other boxes running the exact same

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Adam Myrow
FWIW, my computer running Slackware Linux 12.2 had no trouble with the leap second. I have ntpd using us.pool.ntp.org. Slackware 12.2 runs Linux 2.6.27.7, which seems to be a lot better in terms of the drift rate than older kernels in the 2.6 series. When the leap second happened, the following

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Unruh wrote: [] Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any specific references? I

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about 2008 leap second

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
Sam Nelson s...@ssrl.org.uk writes: In article mg67l.646$db2@edtnps83, unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca says... Hans =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen?= Jakobsen h...@wheel.dk writes: On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:15:22 -, Sam Nelson wrote: In article slrnglpbkr.11et@freesbee.wheel.dk, h...@wheel.dk

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-01 Thread David Woolley
Russell, David wrote: I am suspicious of a particular implementation, especially since one problem The point of having a reference implementation for an RFC is that the reference implementation is the definitive definition of the algorithm, i.e. the reference implementation is correct, by

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread David J Taylor
Unruh wrote: David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.neither-this-part.nor-this-bit.co.uk writes: Unruh wrote: [] Apparently a number of Linux machines completely locked up at the leap second. Problems in the kernel ntp.c code apparently. Oh, that's interesting. Do you have any

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread Chris
On Jan 1, 12:38 pm, Evandro Menezes evan...@mailinator.com wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 8:49 pm, givemeafckingacctyoudou...@gmail.com wrote: So, basically I'm manually adjusting the nmea second reading forward by 1. The SHM(0) gps is still fudged to account for normal lag w/ the time given

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread Chris
On Jan 1, 12:38 pm, Evandro Menezes evan...@mailinator.com wrote: On Dec 31 2008, 8:49 pm, givemeafckingacctyoudou...@gmail.com wrote: So, basically I'm manually adjusting the nmea second reading forward by 1. The SHM(0) gps is still fudged to account for normal lag w/ the time given

Re: [ntp:questions] Garmin GPS 18LVC Setup but questions on best way

2009-01-01 Thread Chris
Chris: Does indeed sound familiar to me here. I'm working also but with a slightly different fix. Not using PPS kernel patch as its difficult to add in to the RPM based kernels here on Fedora Core 9 so I'm just using the shm driver and plain old ntpd. My solution was to fudge the NMEA

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPv3 Select Dispersion

2009-01-01 Thread Unruh
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.co.uk.invalid writes: Russell, David wrote: I am suspicious of a particular implementation, especially since one problem The point of having a reference implementation for an RFC is that the reference implementation is the definitive definition of the

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-01 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-01-01, Laws, Peter C. pl...@ou.edu wrote: I enjoyed my extra second, how about you? All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted / etc. The kernels involved included: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.18-5-486 2.6.16-2-486 2.6.18-5-k7 2.6.18-4-powerpc