Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread David J Taylor
David Malone wrote in message news:h6dh6d$rg...@walton.maths.tcd.ie... [] Indeed - to push us back on track a little, here's a graph of the drift values from a few hundred machines: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwmalone/time/drifts.png There's almost 600 machines in that list, but it included

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread Danny Mayer
David Mills wrote: Bill, Traditional seems to imply some kind of voodoo art. See my 1997 Internet survey which characterized the time and frequency errors of some 27,000 NTP servers. The median error was 38.6 PPM, mean error 78.1 PPM. 2.5 percent of the population showed zero error and 3

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread Danny Mayer
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: Unruh wrote: Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net writes: Evandro Menezes wrote: It's not so much a question of clock error as the ability of NTP converging too slowly. If it could slew by more than 500PPM, than it could even avoid time steps, especially

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread Danny Mayer
Unruh wrote: The changes that chrony would demand lie at the heart of ntp-- the heart which is even listed in the rfc, and the heart which is controlled by David Mills, and which in the ntp reference code says Do not make changes without getting the OK of David Mills (paraphrase). Also my

Re: [ntp:questions] Running ntpd in a Windows domain

2009-08-18 Thread Dave Hart
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Martin Burnickimartin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: AFAICS this means recent w32time clients in a Windows domain would never accept reply packets from the PDC if ntpd instead of w32time is running on the PDC, even if either of the workarounds mentioned above is

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread nemo_outis
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote in news:ywn9iqglsynz@ntp1.isc.org: ... Now I'm more inclined to think you are a troll. The copyright says: *... that the name * * University of Delaware not be used in advertising or publicity

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread John Hasler
nemo_outis writes: I do not, however, withdraw my earlier comments regarding the political overhead associated with the design and development of ntp. Every successful Open Source project I know of has similar overhead. -- John Hasler j...@dhh.gt.org Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread nemo_outis
John Hasler j...@dhh.gt.org wrote in news:87my5xnlwj@thumper.dhh.gt.org: nemo_outis writes: I do not, however, withdraw my earlier comments regarding the political overhead associated with the design and development of ntp. Every successful Open Source project I know of has similar

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread John Allen
This is a remarkably long and interesting thread so I don't feel it's unreasonable to insert a comment which relates more directly to the original post. Way back in May 2009, David Taylor and Richard Gilbert said (Richard) An error greater than 500 PPM suggests seriously broken hardware! There

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread Harlan Stenn
In article h6dh6d$rg...@walton.maths.tcd.ie, dwmal...@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) writes: David Indeed - to push us back on track a little, here's a graph of the David drift values from a few hundred machines: David http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dwmalone/time/drifts.png Again, drift values are

[ntp:questions] MOUSE PICTURES

2009-08-18 Thread Antone Walden
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Re: [ntp:questions] Running ntpd in a Windows domain

2009-08-18 Thread Todd Glassey
Dave Hart wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Martin Burnickimartin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: AFAICS this means recent w32time clients in a Windows domain would never accept reply packets from the PDC if ntpd instead of w32time is running on the PDC, even if either of the

[ntp:questions] Slow sychronization

2009-08-18 Thread Ray
Hi All, I am running a new version of the NTP daemon, version 4.2.4p6, on a Linux machine with kenel version 2.6.27. When I start the daemon, the peer information shows that all the peer have a offset of about 30 milliseconds. This offset will increase to about 50 milliseconds after an hour.

[ntp:questions] ART GAMES

2009-08-18 Thread Chance Paul
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Re: [ntp:questions] Slow sychronization

2009-08-18 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Ray wrote: Hi All, I am running a new version of the NTP daemon, version 4.2.4p6, on a Linux machine with kenel version 2.6.27. When I start the daemon, the peer information shows that all the peer have a offset of about 30 milliseconds. This offset will increase to about 50

Re: [ntp:questions] 500ppm - is it too small?

2009-08-18 Thread Harlan Stenn
In article ywn9ab1xrquz@ntp1.isc.org, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org writes: In article h6dh6d$rg...@walton.maths.tcd.ie, dwmal...@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) writes: David Indeed - to push us back on track a little, here's a graph of the David drift values from a few hundred machines:

Re: [ntp:questions] Slow sychronization

2009-08-18 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Ray wrote: Hi All, I am running a new version of the NTP daemon, version 4.2.4p6, on a Linux machine with kenel version 2.6.27. When I start the daemon, the peer information shows that all the peer have a offset of about 30 milliseconds. This offset will increase to about 50